Capitalism will save this world
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Don't need cooperatives on the scale of corporations, or people working for free, or competition.
Yeah but did you see where we ended up? He thinks workers controlling the means of production would be an improvement over capitalism. Maybe we can just call socialism capitalism and they'd never notice.
But it is the one we chose, not because it is the best. We chose because it is the path of least resistance. If all socialist wanted to chose the best option for themselves, they would have opened cooperations for themselves and they would be working their butts off to achieve competitiveness.
But they don't.
My opinion is, Socialist only have themselves to blame, but instead they blame everything but themselves.
If socialist worked as hard at being socialist as capitalist work hard at earning profits for themselves, I think the world today would be very diffrent.
So you've been told. Actually the good old days had robust aged populations. Thier diet was better. Thier medicine was better, and they're brains were better.You post short sentences, you have little to say.
Total BS and poppycock.So you've been told. Actually the good old days had robust aged populations. Thier diet was better. Thier medicine was better, and they're brains were better.You post short sentences, you have little to say.
Thier religion was closer to the Gods.
Thankyou for your attention Walter, we seem to have radically opposed world views, I hope that dosn't interfere with our friendship.
Competition isn't the point. You're judging the success of cooperatives with criteria used to judge the success of corporations in a capitalist system. Essentially you're saying that cooperatives are not as successful at being corporations as corporations are. My point here is that capitalism isn't necessary, but the arguments that capitalists provide jobs or corporations are successful assume that capitalism is necessary.
And when I say capitalism isn't necessary, I'm not arguing against capitalism. I'm only saying that capitalism isn't the only form of social and economic organization. When people say capitalists provide jobs, they are assuming there is no alternative to capitalism. The point the pro-capitalists need to argue is that capitalism is a better method of socio-economic organization.
Thankyou for your attention Walter, we seem to have radically opposed world views, I hope that dosn't interfere with our friendship.
Your world views may be better then his but they are just a dream. They will never materialize because no one realistically wants to work hard enough to make them happen. :roll:
You like classical music Walter, gimme some heavy classical music, symphoney, Batoven wrote some hard stuff, very early Led Zepplin like stuff
That's what I've argued all along,. It's why it will save the world. Because it's a game breaking problem solving algorithm that self motivates itself.
Walters world view and mine are equal, and I believe we have both materialized, you have to work hard to make anything happen except putrifcation. But the work never stops, I bet.
People are the engines of capitalism. You're saying that is it motivational, so people are saving the world from people.
Capitalism and industrialism are different, of course. Nascent capitalism predates industrialization but as human activity negatively impacts the environment, it is industrial activity specifically that does the most damage. The voracious spread of such activity is caused by capitalism. Capitalism is a motivator but that motivator is the profit and expansionist motive of capitalism. If capitalism is going to save the world from widespread environmental destruction, it's saving the world from itself. That's an argument you could make, but let's not say that capitalism isn't the cause of the problem it is supposedly going to solve.
You're right, but my brother does, it wil be fixed, soon, when can we build some tanks?