Canadians voice support for Muslims amid ‘hatred’ unleashed at Liberal MP

White_Unifier

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Let's not all get paranoid. The only problem with M-103 is a symbolic one. The word 'Islamophobia' is redundant in the context of that Motion and, though the impact is strictly symbolic, the symbolism of singling out Ismalophobia from discrimination against followers of other religions goes against the principle of the religious neutrality of the state.

The a law be worded like this Motion is, it could probably pass Constitutional muster on the grounds that the use of the word Islamophobia is a mere redundancy that does not affect the substance of the law. However, the symbolism of it is still inappropriate.

But to go from that to screaming Islamist invasion is insanity.
 

Vbeacher

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The a law be worded like this Motion is, it could probably pass Constitutional muster on the grounds that the use of the word Islamophobia is a mere redundancy that does not affect the substance of the law. However, the symbolism of it is still inappropriate.

But to go from that to screaming Islamist invasion is insanity.

True. On the other hand, worries about a potential law based on the study this motion will trigger, and how the courts might interpret it, is a legitimate concern.
 

Durry

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This is really something to ponder!
Can "Good Muslims" and "Good Americans or Canadians" coexist ?

Definitely food for thought !!!

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS?

This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)
scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat & scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34)

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. and CANADA

Please don't delete this until you send it on.
 

gerryh

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This is really something to ponder!
Can "Good Muslims" and "Good Americans or Canadians" coexist ?

Definitely food for thought !!!

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS?

This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)
scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat & scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34)

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. and CANADA

Please don't delete this until you send it on.



Can't post anything original, eh.


http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-culture/89782-can-muslims-good-canadians.html

https://throwingstones.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/can-muslims-be-good-americans/
 

davesmom

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If you look at the way Europe tried to legislate an end to offensive language, quite severely limiting freedom of speech and expression and criminalizing even single-person racial or ethnic insults - and the total failure there, you should be able to see the futility of government trying to mandate respect.


I think trying to legislate against ethnic insults and bigotry actually breeds resentment. Racism has appeared to increase in Canada and the U.S. over the last couple of decades and moreso since the establishment of Human Rights Commissions and Hate Laws.
People do not like to be dictated to about who they can like and what they can say about them.
We have adequate laws against assault, etc. and also for slander and libel. Those laws apply to all citizens regardless of race or religion. So we really don't need more laws that tend to pit 'groups' against each other and give special considerations to ethnic and religious groups.
Society has squelched Christianity but one of the basic tenets of Christianity is 'love thy neighbour as thyself'.

I should also mention that there's a lot of racism coming into Canada from other countries and a lot of it is against the white race.
 

pgs

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I think trying to legislate against ethnic insults and bigotry actually breeds resentment. Racism has appeared to increase in Canada and the U.S. over the last couple of decades and moreso since the establishment of Human Rights Commissions and Hate Laws.
People do not like to be dictated to about who they can like and what they can say about them.
We have adequate laws against assault, etc. and also for slander and libel. Those laws apply to all citizens regardless of race or religion. So we really don't need more laws that tend to pit 'groups' against each other and give special considerations to ethnic and religious groups.
Society has squelched Christianity but one of the basic tenets of Christianity is 'love thy neighbour as thyself'.

I should also mention that there's a lot of racism coming into Canada from other countries and a lot of it is against the white race.
More common sense , however that is the result of successive parliaments all enacting laws . We send them to Ottawa and they take that as a reason to create laws , pushed along by the all insatiable bureaucracy . Instead of ensuring enforcement of existing laws we continually get more and more . 25 or 30 years ago we were trying Ernst Zundel for denying Austwich , 15 years ago Sikh's and the kirpan and whatever they cover their heads with , now islaphobia . More laws , yikes I can't even ride my bike legally without a helmut . We don't need more laws we need people to control the growth and spending of the bureaucracy . Bureaucracy i/e government never fixes a problem they just grow off it .

More common sense , however that is the result of successive parliaments all enacting laws . We send them to Ottawa and they take that as a reason to create laws , pushed along by the all insatiable bureaucracy . Instead of ensuring enforcement of existing laws we continually get more and more . 25 or 30 years ago we were trying Ernst Zundel for denying Austwich , 15 years ago Sikh's and the kirpan and whatever they cover their heads with , now islaphobia . More laws , yikes I can't even ride my bike legally without a helmut . We don't need more laws we need people to control the growth and spending of the bureaucracy . Bureaucracy i/e government never fixes a problem they just grow off it .
And we let them , and cheer all the while . Mentalfloss et-al should remember the opening lines of the original Star Wars , We just voted the end of democracy and are cheering .
 

Johnnny

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Liberals' anti-Islamophobia motion is a politically brilliant, sinister piece of work: Neil Macdonald - CBC News | Opinion

Defining Islamophobia

At a guess, Khalid and her fellow activists in the Liberal and NDP caucuses would regard those Danish cartoons as Islamophobia, as well as the cartoons that provoked the mass murders at Charlie Hebdo magazine by Muslim fundamentalists in Paris.

In fact, Khalid would almost certainly characterize as Islamophobic any account that dared to describe the Charlie Hebdo murderers as Muslim fundamentalists.

In the Commons, she repeatedly refers to a petition, signed by thousands of Canadians, that demands recognition "that extremist individuals do not represent the religion of Islam, and in condemning all forms of Islamophobia."

So: would any such recognition foreclose a discussion of the imam at a Toronto mosque who recently treated his congregation to remarks about "the filth of the Jews?" Would it be Islamophobic to ask whether a religious leader, sermonizing in a mosque, in any way represents Islam?

So morally certain are Khalid and her backers (certainly including the Prime Minister's Office) that they are refusing any changes or amendments to the wording of M-103, including the rather sensible suggestion that "Islamophobia" be at least defined, say, as discrimination against Muslims, which is already illegal.

That is worrying.

Would Khalid's notion of Islamophobia, for example, prohibit discussion of a question often posed by Israelis and conservatives: Why, if most Muslims are not terrorists, most terrorists appear to be Muslims?

Would Khalid want to suppress any depiction of the prophet Mohammed, which many Sunni Muslims deem offensive?

Would she seek to quell discussion of why Saudi Arabia, a Muslim theocracy and close ally of Canada, recently went much further than Donald Trump, deporting tens of thousands of Pakistanis on the grounds that some might be terrorists?

All those subjects are debatable.

But it is reasonable to ask whether targeting "Islamophobia," rather than discrimination against Muslims, would eventually forbid debate itself.

The political purpose of M-103, though, is plain: to sucker nativist chumps, none of whom intend to ever vote Liberal or NDP, into racist public tirades. In that, Khalid has succeeded admirably.

She herself has been the target of deeply racist attacks from angry voters. Comment sections of news websites have exploded with warnings of Sharia law and Islamofascism and the terrible threat of immigrants and the dilution of our "Judeo-Christian" culture (Vancouver is a majority-Asian city, but never mind).
 

DaSleeper

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More common sense , however that is the result of successive parliaments all enacting laws . We send them to Ottawa and they take that as a reason to create laws , pushed along by the all insatiable bureaucracy . Instead of ensuring enforcement of existing laws we continually get more and more . 25 or 30 years ago we were trying Ernst Zundel for denying Austwich , 15 years ago Sikh's and the kirpan and whatever they cover their heads with , now islaphobia . More laws , yikes I can't even ride my bike legally without a helmut . We don't need more laws we need people to control the growth and spending of the bureaucracy . Bureaucracy i/e government never fixes a problem they just grow off it .


And we let them , and cheer all the while . Mentalfloss et-al should remember the opening lines of the original Star Wars , We just voted the end of democracy and are cheering .
See what the stupid troll posted right after you?
 

pgs

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See what the stupid troll posted right after you?
Yes he is safe and sound , there is no threat to our way of life and all is sun and roses . 35 billion dollar deficits mean nothing and Harper was evil for cutting incremental amounts .