Canadian terrorist in Texas Cell

[CDNBear]

The first idea any decent society should have is immediately placing the child in some sort of social care. You know... realizing that he is a 9 year old child. This sounds more like a prison than anything.

What is stone hearted here, is making semantics over why we shouldn’t care to draw such an easily recognizable humane conclusion.

The child is in a family detention center. I have never seen one here in Canada. Not that they may not exist, but as a once youthful offender, I would rather be with my parents, no matter the surroundings, then in a strangers home or a juevenile facility.

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

I got no problem with anyone claiming refugee status from Iran. The poor kid and his folks should be granted refugee status and promptly returned to Canada. The kid is a citizen and has every right to be in the land he was born in.

 

[westmanguy]

I blame the parents. Why is this society taking the blame away from people's actions.

The parents were idiots to travel on forged papers. Complete fools, they broke the law, and got caught, in Texas.

Now the kid is 9 years old, he is not at the age of understanding, that this is the parent's fault, and nobody elses.

The kid shouldn't be locked up, but relatives of the parents in Canada should be contacted to come take the child home, and then they move on from there.

For the record CDNBear, I agree 100% with you, I would rather be in a family detention center with my mother and father (at that age), then in social services.

Why are we removing blame from the parents... their should be no change on this issue, because the offenders had a child with them at the time, the kid goes home with relatives (or if there is no relatives, the parents continue to be with the child in the family detention centre, or put the child in social services care, until everything is determined).

I am not stoned hearted, I am realistic, and I am not going to remove the blame from the parents, no matter what.

Not an outrage to me...

 

[westmanguy]

I agree the child should be able to goto his home. But the parents should not be able to use the child as a scape-goat to solve their idiotic problem.

Be accountable for your actions, don't try to weasle out of them!

The child should be home with relatives, the parents should have their time in court.

And its small to bring other cases into this thread... this is an individual circumstance, and its a sign of weakness bringing in other cases to defend your stance.

 

[darkbeaver]

Why does your spelling keep changeing West and your sentence structure? You are two people posting under one name.

 

[eh1eh]

And then you could ask youself, Self I wonder what spin was put on this story before it was conveniently presented in the media today? Things that make you go, "Hmmmm"

 

[eh1eh]

Why does your spelling keep changeing West and your sentence structure? You are two people posting under one name.

I think Westmanguy is a bit of a pretender.:|

 

[Tonington]

I agree the child should be able to goto his home. But the parents should not be able to use the child as a scape-goat to solve their idiotic problem.

Be accountable for your actions, don't try to weasle out of them!

The child should be home with relatives, the parents should have their time in court.

And its small to bring other cases into this thread... this is an individual circumstance, and its a sign of weakness bringing in other cases to defend your stance.

I'm not sure who that last comment was aimed at, but I'll bite anyways.

I brought in the other topic to highlight Canada's mixed priorities on immigration. I don't think it's cut and dry to examine this situation without a little bit of context. It's a perfectly valid question as well. Why after ten years were they denied citizenship. You can apply after three years to be a permanent citizen, they've been here for ten years building a family. Sure it was unwise to try to travel on forged documents, I won't deny that. I just think it's a shame it had to go that far in the first place.

They should also have known what the consequences would be if caught. What is useful about the media is it brings out these situations. I doubt very much that we could find many people that think Canada's immigration policy isn't in need of some white-out. Some might want to see it tougher, others might like it more open.

This whole thread to me is an immigration issue, hence the reason I contrasted this family with that "other" topic. I feel they are the same issue, different stories. If you still can't see how I'll explain further. Canada won't deport the murderer because the country where he was found guilty has the death penalty, a human rights issue. Canada then deports a citizen and his family to a country where human rights are also abused. Now the kid hass been forcibly detained for a month. Seems to me this whole mess need never have happened. Can you think of any reason to throw out a family that's been here ten years with no problems? I can't.

 

[EagleSmack]

Ha that's what you think, we have several hundred thousand Newfoundlanders who are widely known as the finest seapeople on the planet, two or three hundred cases of rum and some fair wind and there'd be no problem. There realy known as the second best after Bluenosers but we don't talk about it modest people that we are.:wave:

Yeah... ask my Newfie uncle who lost both legs fishing.

But just the fact that you compared a fishing trawler to an aircraft carrier is laughable. Didn't you guys have a fire on a sub because someone forgot to seal (close) the hatch and seawater rushed in.

The world will be safer if we just scrap our old carriers instead of selling them to Canada. Or try building your own.:laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

 

[L Gilbert]

Wonder if they will get the chair?:|

Victims of friendly fire maybe.

 

[L Gilbert]

They should also have known what the consequences would be if caught. What is useful about the media is it brings out these situations. I doubt very much that we could find many people that think Canada's immigration policy isn't in need of some white-out. Some might want to see it tougher, others might like it more open.

I think the policies are probably fine. The CIC just doesn't bother with them much. People who are of low hazard to others are the easiest to harass. Actual criminals and other undesirables are tough to harass: so the CIC chooses the easiest path.

This whole thread to me is an immigration issue, hence the reason I contrasted this family with that "other" topic. I feel they are the same issue, different stories. If you still can't see how I'll explain further. Canada won't deport the murderer because the country where he was found guilty has the death penalty, a human rights issue. Canada then deports a citizen and his family to a country where human rights are also abused. Now the kid hass been forcibly detained for a month. Seems to me this whole mess need never have happened. Can you think of any reason to throw out a family that's been here ten years with no problems? I can't.

I can: laziness and expediency.

 

[EagleSmack]

The first idea any decent society should have is immediately placing the child in some sort of social care. You know... realizing that he is a 9 year old child. This sounds more like a prison than anything.

What is stone hearted here, is making semantics over why we shouldn’t care to draw such an easily recognizable humane conclusion.

Save your tears. This isn't a prison and it is made to sound that to make you feel guilty. Once again, Canada deported them and now people are whining. It is your country and now the US is stuck with them because you don't want them back.

Not so freindly is it.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yeah... ask my Newfie uncle who lost both legs fishing.

But just the fact that you compared a fishing trawler to an aircraft carrier is laughable. Didn't you guys have a fire on a sub because someone forgot to seal (close) the hatch and seawater rushed in.

The world will be safer if we just scrap our old carriers instead of selling them to Canada. Or try building your own.:laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

No it wasn't seawater he was smoking a joint in the powder room.:wave:

 

[eh1eh]

Save your tears. This isn't a prison and it is made to sound that to make you feel guilty. Once again, Canada deported them and now people are whining. It is your country and now the US is stuck with them because you don't want them back.

Not so freindly is it.

I missed the part where someone said the US of A was freindly , could you post that quote please?

 

[eh1eh]

Victims of friendly fire maybe.

Ooops! Here it is. You know that's just a metaphorical term don't you Eagle?:|

 

[Doryman]

Ha that's what you think, we have several hundred thousand Newfoundlanders who are widely known as the finest seapeople on the planet, two or three hundred cases of rum and some fair wind and there'd be no problem. There realy known as the second best after Bluenosers but we don't talk about it modest people that we are.:wave:

Best small boat sailors in the world according to Winston Churchill, who, as we all know, is like Superman and Jesus on roids.

 

[darkbeaver]

Best small boat sailors in the world according to Winston Churchill, who, as we all know, is like Superman and Jesus on roids.

He was almost right Nova Scotians are the best of course, but Churchhill was drunk most of the time and probably didn't realize there was a differance.:wave:

 

[elevennevele]

Save your tears. This isn't a prison and it is made to sound that to make you feel guilty. Once again, Canada deported them and now people are whining. It is your country and now the US is stuck with them because you don't want them back.

Not so freindly is it.

I'm not defending Canada in this either. This doesn't excuse either side for what it's doing or not doing. There is also enough indication that this treatment is highly inappropriate for a 9 year old child simply because of what his parents have done.

The reason why injustice occurs in the world is either because the populous is helpless against a governing power, or that the populous is apathetic to issues that don’t appear to directly affect them, or that the populous takes a route of deniability for the state.

Politics or finger pointing in this manner is a distraction from the ability to think with one’s humanity regarding what is happening here to this 9 year old child. The condition by which this child is being handled, in the least of what we know of this situation, is simply wrong.

And so to even show one cares ‘is the very least’ an action for one who sits on a message forum.

 

[EagleSmack]

The bottom line is that the Canadian Govt. deported them to a country that they knew would torture him. It was his own parents that caused his suffering. This article is biased and I am sure it is full of bull on the conditions there but you and others swallowed it whole. It is a detention center. It is where illegal aliens go before they are deported. It is secure because they do not want them melting back into a society that they do not belong and tried to get into through illegal means. I am sure it is not the Hilton but the article is meant to draw a reaction of abuse to get something done to bring these folks to Canada. So far it hasn't worked.

 

[MikeyDB]

I guess I don't understand all this crap...

If a nine year old can be proven to have participated in crime...treat him as a criminal...

If a family behaves criminally...they've withdrawn their support for the structures of law and should be treated as criminals...

what's so confusing here???