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I wouldn't put Melinda anywhere near Kerry either. Melinda has a grasp on reality for one thing. Kerry's out to lunch completely. There comes a time when you just have to accept the results of an Idol vote, and move on. Melinda's blog is a business really, she's selling content and advertising and what she writes is driven by what brings people to her site. Top Idol's snarky and may be meaner than I'd be at times, but she's certainly not crazy.

I'm sorry but Melinda is crazy. She stalks certain Idol fans all over the net just to write articles like this. Meet Celineps1 aka one more reason David Cook suffers for his art | Top Idol
Of corse you don't mind her because she is a huge Kris fan and never write negative things about Kris. There is a reason why most of posters on her blog right now are Kris fans and Worsters. She is the typical Worster who has the obsession with the actions, ages, and appearances of other Idol fans. AI has been running for ten years and she still can't get over the fact the middle-aged women and teen girls are the most common demographics that suppoert the show :roll:.

That's always going to happen, and yes it would irritate me too. I've spent a year in irritation - LOL - so I know, but really, honestly sales aren't the be and end all to me as a listener of music. At the end of the day the only reason I buy music is if I like to listen to it. It's only the snarky comments re: sales that piss me off it isn't the actual sales totals. Because I really could care less how many Cd's they sell I just want to like the music.

The thing is American Idol winners are offered huge endorsement deals and contracts after winning Idol. So they need to make enough money for 19E and their record companies. At least Kris has been treated better than Lee. It seems to me that 19E or RCA don't have confidence in Lee and they are not willing to invest in him.

 

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I'm sorry but Melinda is crazy. She stalks certain Idol fans all over the net just to write articles like this. Meet Celineps1 aka one more reason David Cook suffers for his art | Top Idol

I'm sorry but it strikes me as funny that you chose this particular article to prove that Melinda is a crazy stalker. Article in which she was denouncing a very obvious crazy stalker that had really harrassed Cook, his bandmates and even their girlfriends. The girl in question wasn't an "idol fan", she was a stalker that was acting very inappropriately with the boys and their innocent girlfriends. I'm actually glad that somebody like Melinda talks about the stuff that some inappropriate "fans" do.

Melinda wrote this:

Oh, and some of my favorite readers/Cook fans thought it would be a good idea, as they have legitimate concerns about Cook and his band’s safety

Which was totally true.

 

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Really interesting interview with Lyndsey Parker: Kris Allen: The One-Year Anniversary Interview - Reality Rocks

I have to be honest. You guys know I never "squee" over Kris' looks (I usually keep this for my favorite non-Idol singer *ahem*), but pretty much all I could think during this interview is "OMG, how cute is he?" [/shallow].

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You will see a vast difference between Canadian Idol and American Idol.

Canadian Idol judges don’t have any idea of what good is.

Most Canadian Idol winners need more singing lessons

CTV decided to shelve Canadian Idol for 2009 because of diminishing advertising revenue but they still paid the royalties to hang on to the show so it will be back in 2010.

If CTV is smart they should get rid of the judges and get ones that know what good is.

Whooooooaaaaaaaaaaaa back the truck up. What they should do is get rid of crap like American Idol, Boy Bands, Britney Spears, and start promoting real music.

 

[SleepinIn]

I have to be honest. You guys know I never "squee" over Kris' looks (I usually keep this for my favorite non-Idol singer *ahem*), but pretty much all I could think during this interview is "OMG, how cute is he?" [/shallow].

Kind of had the same reaction. That was a great interview, when Kris is comfortable with someone he has a real ease about him.

I'm sorry but Melinda is crazy. She stalks certain Idol fans all over the net just to write articles like this.

We're going to have to agree to disagree about Melinda. I don't think she's crazy, and calling out stalkers and letting them know their actions haven't gone unnoticed I have no problem with whatsoever. As I said she's sometimes harsher on people than I would be, but that's the Idol universe. Everyone's a critic.

The thing is American Idol winners are offered huge endorsement deals and contracts after winning Idol. So they need to make enough money for 19E and their record companies. At least Kris has been treated better than Lee. It seems to me that 19E or RCA don't have confidence in Lee and they are not willing to invest in him.

Lee's done a lot of the same press things that Kris did last year. Regis, Leno, etc. I think RCA operates differently than Jive, he did the single announcement on Seacrest and Kris did Z100. Adam had the Seacrest single drop though, I think Kris did get the better deal there since Z100 played the song and KISS never did.

I think Lee's main issue with the media is the perception that last season was crappy. Which it kinda was.. Lee's got talent though, they wouldn't have picked him out of thousands if they didn't see something in him. He's way ahead of where he was before Idol. That's how you have to look at these things. He's putting out an album, it's projected to sell in the 50,000 range this week. Just because it sells 50,000 in it's opening week doesn't mean that it can't go on to sell millions. (probably unlikely.. but not impossible) And since Lee wrote the majority of his album he's going to make more money than usual especially with the 1st single since he'll get paid as the writer when it's played onair. You know.. 50,000 albums is actually a lot of albums.

When I look at Lee through my Kris-coloured glasses I get irritated by 19/RCA/Jive etc ignoring Kris. LOL! As fans I just think we're never happy with the job the label is doing for our faves and we always think there is something different that could be done.

Whooooooaaaaaaaaaaaa back the truck up. What they should do is get rid of crap like American Idol, Boy Bands, Britney Spears, and start promoting real music.

I'll give you the boy bands. We can get rid of those.

 

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I'm thinking they don't want to spend too much money on promotion at this point. I'm not holding my breath for an official video. I don't want another one anyway since that one is so perfect.

Take Hedley for example. They never made an official video for Old School and yet that song was everywhere. Sometimes the returns aren't enough to justify the costs.

What did you think about the Examiner article that mentioned a video for an acoustic BWCU? Want.

Well, surprisingly, I'm not that into an acoustic video. It depends. That song is pleasant, but what can he do with it? It's not a show-stopper in any form, in my opinion. Acoustic or otherwise. Convince me.

I can't compare Kris/AWM with Hedley/Old School. OS is from their 2nd album and they were an established band. They had already had several hits and several videos. Kris is a new artist, about one year in the pop world, and he needs a hit right now a lot more than Hedley needed Old School to be a hit. He needs a second hit to establish him. Otherwise he becomes a one-hit wonder. The record company knows this better than I do.

I'm not sure why "they don't want to spend too much money on promotion at this point." Because they don't think the song has a chance of being a hit? Because they don't think Kris has more than one hit in him? Just curious what the reason is.

Now, if he was not getting/doing any promo for the song, and the whole thing was a "we don't believe in this guy, let's drop him" situation, I could understand. Or if they were fully promting it, I could also understand. Otherwise it's just a big tease. I don't like being strung along, and I don't like him being strung along, either. Goddamn it, make a decision, do you want to promote this song or not?

 

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Someone just replied to a post from page 1, and we're on page 387.

If they read on, I hope they like Kris. *sheepish grin* Otherwise they can skip a few hundred pages. LOL

Well, surprisingly, I'm not that into an acoustic video. It depends. That song is pleasant, but what can he do with it? It's not a show-stopper in any form, in my opinion. Acoustic or otherwise. Convince me.

This is my thought on BWCU. It's absolutely beautiful acoustic. (yes, that's all I've got)

Exhibit A:
YouTube - Kris Allen - Before We Come Undone (acoustic) at the Grammy Museum, Los Angeles, 104.3 MyFM
Exhibit B:
YouTube - Kris Allen - Before We Come Undone - Live Acoustic @ Mix 94.1 Las Vegas

I actually like it so much more acoustic. (and I like it to start with)

It was interesting to hear Kris talk in Lydsey's interview about writing music from the perspective of playing the songs live. I think he learned a lot from his various tours this year. Great experience for him.

Just curious what the reason is.

Your guess is as good as mine really. I don't know why labels do what they do. I guess really there's no logic in why songs become hits or not.

 

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If they read on, I hope they like Kris. *sheepish grin* Otherwise they can skip a few hundred pages. LOL

LOL! That's funny.

BWCU...yes, it may be beautiful acoustic. But the whole beanie-wearing-stool-sitting-guitar-playing-ballad-singing thing just seems like something pop artists do in-between real gigs. I just can't get all excited about it, I guess. I honestly wouldn't get excited about that kind of video from him. But then, I'm a guy.

I'm going to listen to that interview, now. I haven't, yet.

So my theory - now that I've seen the interview - is part of why Kris looks hot to you is that he now exudes a quiet, sexy confidence. And of course, he's also hot looking. lol

But yeah, I was super impressed at how he was actually able to talk about people thinking he's good, and to talk about loving AWM, etc. This is stuff he used to have trouble with.

I'm amazed at how slick Kris has gotten at all this (and yet, he's not really "slick", which is also cool).

I too liked his comments about how playing live is influencing what he's writing. I love that he says he's writing upbeat or funky stuff. Naturally I also want him to do some slow, intense stuff, as well, but I'm sure he will.

I think he misunderstood one of her questions, about who he'll be collaborating with. At least I think so. I think she was talking about songwriters, at that point, but he continued to talk about producers.

 

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But yeah, I was super impressed at how he was actually able to talk about people thinking he's good, and to talk about loving AWM, etc. This is stuff he used to have trouble with.

Yeah, he did have a real confidence about himself and his music in this interview. Twas nice. Did you watch the E interview? I don't think we get it here.

 

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What is the E interview? Is it posted on MJ's?

ETA: About Kris saying the video for AWM is "not a music video" or "not a real music video"...what did he say? I can't watch it all again. I don't think he knows how good that thing is. It's amazing the positive comments it's getting, from people who say it's better than his "real" ones, and how it shows who he really is. Is it possible he's too close to it to realize its appropriateness and its good-ness?

YouTube - kris E

I don't understand the "front row jam session seat." I guess Kris and Cale performed the song for E! and then E! used that veeeerrry lengthy exerpt.

PS. What is with twitter? I searched Kris Allen and about half the tweets that included Kris were in Spanish. That's way more than usual.

 

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What is the E interview? Is it posted on MJ's?

I think it's the E network. We get it here, but it's different I think.

ETA: COOL you found it. Thanks! (aw, they showed the video! yay!) Now we just need to pester them til they post the front row jam session on the web. LOL

ETA: About Kris saying the video for AWM is "not a music video" or "not a real music video"...what did he say? I can't watch it all again

I took that comment to mean that they have no current plans for another "official" video. Truthfully I don't think they could top this one even if they had an official video. His friends perfectly captured Kris and the band's joy in playing music and sense of fun along with the spirit of the song. And aside from being played on Vh1 - which didn't do much for TT, AWM's youtube grassroots video kind of suits it.

Is it possible he's too close to it to realize its appropriateness and its good-ness?

Yeah, but it's reassuring that Kris's friends picked out exactly the qualities that I would to highlight. I'd trust their judgement.

 

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You know, we should probably give Kris some credit for making the video, too. I've heard he had a lot to do with how it was done and edited and so forth. It wouldn't surprise me.

And aside from being played on Vh1 - which didn't do much for TT, AWM's youtube grassroots video kind of suits it.

TT wasn't on VH1 long enough to do it any good! I think this one would do great on there (and who knows? It may happen). I seem to remember that LLWD really took off after it got exposure on the VH1 countdown. Grass roots stuff is okay as long as people see it. Right now not enough people are seeing it. I'll tell you what it is, about this song, for me. It's the kind of song that either has to catch on big, or not at all. Other songs are not necessarily like that. I don't know if I'm making sense. It's not like other songs, it's not pleasant radio filler. It's similar to LLWD, actually. It's just a feeling I have that I can't explain.

BUT ANYWAY...see what I mean - with all this publicity for AWM? I mean, E!, just for example. Kris is doing a lot of publicity for this song. So it doesn't make sense to say that Jive doesn't have an interest in promoting it. They obviously do. They just seem to be promoting it EVERYWHERE but to radio. So this is what is bizarre. I'm quite confused by what they are up to. I'm really hoping for some kind of big push to radio after the holidays. It may even happen, who knows?

Oh, well, I'm clearly gonna drive myself crazy if I keep this up. Meanwhile...

Kanye's tweets read by Grandma - Denver Music - Backbeat

And then there's this:

Hey, what happened to the hand-claps? They don't do it any more, I guess.

 

[CapsuleNeo]

I'm sorry but it strikes me as funny that you chose this particular article to prove that Melinda is a crazy stalker. Article in which she was denouncing a very obvious crazy stalker that had really harrassed Cook, his bandmates and even their girlfriends. The girl in question wasn't an "idol fan", she was a stalker that was acting very inappropriately with the boys and their innocent girlfriends. I'm actually glad that somebody like Melinda talks about the stuff that some inappropriate "fans" do.

Then maybe you should read other articles about Idol fans on her blog. Note she only makes a fun of older women. Disliking some OTT fans is one thing, but making sexist and ageist comments should not be acceptable. Words cannot describe the contempt I feel for any woman who will use any variation of the pejorative term "cow" to describe other women. It's bad enough when males (most of whom hang out at the wretched VFTW site) use it, but when a female does, it's totally shameful.

 

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Richard Rushfield's upcoming behind-the-scenes book about American Idol will be out in February. I just read a good review of it in a trade publication. The cover features Simon, Randy, Paula, and Kara, though that may change, huh? Apparently there is some stuff about Paula's backstage "antics," whatever they may be. Haha.

Bill Pinella mentions the Kris/Hedley show in Santa Rosa, CA, and there are a few interesting tidbits about how show booking is done. Though I don't really care much for the way Bill writes. Idol Chatter - The Press Democrat - Santa Rosa, CA

 

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You know, we should probably give Kris some credit for making the video, too. I've heard he had a lot to do with how it was done and edited and so forth. It wouldn't surprise me.

LOL - okay Kris can have some credit too.

I'm quite confused by what they are up to. I'm really hoping for some kind of big push to radio after the holidays. It may even happen, who knows?

The feeling I got from the Lynsdey Parker interview is that they released the song to see how it will do and give Kris something to promote while on tour, and will let it do what it's going to do, and they'd work on album #2. I didn't get the feeling that they were thinking of another video or really pushing it to radio. I don't know how realistic Kris's timeline is. Considering we're still waiting for David Cook's album to come out, I can't see Kris releasing anything in the spring. That boggles the mind.

Bill Pinella mentions the Kris/Hedley show in Santa Rosa, CA, and there are a few interesting tidbits about how show booking is done. Though I don't really care much for the way Bill writes.

That is interesting. And you know an hour show with Kris and Cale is going to contain something different. Maybe I need to know?? (I seriously love that song so much) Here's hoping for another version of Stuck in a Moment too. I'm interested to see what people say about Hedley.. So weird they'll be at the same show. LOL Would love to be there.

 

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I don't know how realistic Kris's timeline is. Considering we're still waiting for David Cook's album to come out, I can't see Kris releasing anything in the spring. That boggles the mind.

Yeah, I'm not expecting new music as soon as the spring either. Cook's initial timeline was that he would have a first single out in May 2010 and his album would come out in June or July 2010. And now, we're probably looking at a February or March 2011 release. Not that Kris couldn't be quicker to release new music, but I'm not really expecting anything until at least next fall.

 

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The feeling I got from the Lynsdey Parker interview is that they released the song to see how it will do and give Kris something to promote while on tour, and will let it do what it's going to do, and they'd work on album #2.

I'm not sure what any of this means, I guess.

The only reason to release a song is to make it a hit, if possible. I don't understand these other reasons. Something to promote? What is the meaning of promoting something that can't possibly be a hit without support? To pay it lip service? For what?

It's not logical to me that they'd be giving him album #2 while failing to promote singles from album #1. Because hit singles from album #1 are the only thing that will sell album #2.

I really can't see the logic in Jive releasing a second Kris Allen album when they don't seem to want to put money behind this single. It just says to me they won't support singles from that album, either. Or the album. How do you see it?

I'm not trying to be difficult, it just seems like there's no logic to what Jive is doing or what Kris is saying.

Now, Allison's singles were not supported by Jive. She's not getting album #2. She not with Jive any more. That is logical.

This stuff with Kris is not, to me.

I basically think he should start thinking about finding a label that isn't going to give him half-assed support, I guess.

This is a good interview:

http://blogcritics.org/music/article/interview-tour-talk-with-kris-allen/

 

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The only reason to release a song is to make it a hit, if possible. I don't understand these other reasons. Something to promote? What is the meaning of promoting something that can't possibly be a hit without support? To pay it lip service? For what?

You make sense kemo sabe. I can not argue with good sense. My only thought is if they're not going to promote then it would be to keep Kris's name out there, because even if they don't promote formally with $$ and radio ads push the mere presence of a single will help in certain markets. Kris is doing a bunch of radio shows in December though and that radio station that pitted him against Archie that Kris lost now has him up again for voting - against The Script. (of course) lol So maybe there will be a stronger radio push.

I'm not really expecting anything until at least next fall.

Yep, me either. Kris has never been the fastest out of the gate. I just can't see him sprinting to a spring release. Unless they have a lot of material waiting....

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AWM at Coronado High School:

Kris Allen Performs ‘Alright With Me’ at Coronado High School! Mix 94.1 Today?s Best Music Mix // Las Vegas – Homepage

@Overboarded AWM just finished playing on WTMX! Chicago peeps! #alrightwithme

You make sense kemo sabe. I can not argue with good sense. My only thought is if they're not going to promote then it would be to keep Kris's name out there, because even if they don't promote formally with $$ and radio ads push the mere presence of a single will help in certain markets. Kris is doing a bunch of radio shows in December though and that radio station that pitted him against Archie that Kris lost now has him up again for voting - against The Script. (of course) lol So maybe there will be a stronger radio push.

I'm not too insistent, am I? LOL!

I'm just trying to figure stuff out. Does it all add up? Did you see where Liz congratulated somebody on the "AAA" publicity for Kris, in LA? (Somebody at Jive?) They put in a lot of effort, there. But it does seem strange for Kris do do all this intensive TV and internet promo - more than he's done in a long while - without something definite to promote. It seems very strange to me, anyhow.

I don't know much about this stuff but maybe there is conflict about Kris inside Jive. Or just disagreement. It seems like he has a faction of people going all out with support, but maybe they don't represent the whole. I don't know.

And as expected Kris is playing a NEW SONG tonight. Even as we speak.

YouTube - new song - Kris Allen

 

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LOVE IT! It definitely has the same kind of bluesy vibe that Is It Over has.