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And did you ever stop and think how Jacob is such a goof for the media, and then his blog is so serious and so encoded - it's like a different person.

I thought it was pretty funny when I discovered that Kalan had a hilarious blog and yet was considered sort of boring and serious (he's not but the media glom onto things) .. when Jacob who's a bit wild is super serious on his blog.. it all balances out in the end doesn't it?. His blog was always like that though. I remember reading his website when he was on Idol and it was the same. Very serious, and sort of in code.. He did ask people not to vote for him, but he did it in a sort of cryptic fashion. He didn't walk off the show though.

These guys were/are shameless self-promoters. I have rarely seen anybody as hungry as Jacob, but that itself is part of his appeal, somehow. If Jacob had ever had the platform Adam has had, he'd now be the biggest star on earth.

Hungry or crazy? :) The busty women cop thing ... all the bands keep trying to top the tank. Can't be done. Billy Talent still owns the arrivals carpet. (the dropping the pants thing.. no one can explain that. LOL)



And I think Adam must have had/must have some really important people in his corner.

Yeah I think he did. Which you know, more power to him. That's what you want. I just also want it for Kris. ;)

That WAOMF is really good. And EWTRTW must have been crazy good last night, for the reviewer to focus on it. But, hey I'll take amazing vocals in a review.
 

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I thought it was pretty funny when I discovered that Kalan had a hilarious blog and yet was considered sort of boring and serious (he's not but the media glom onto things) .. when Jacob who's a bit wild is super serious on his blog.. it all balances out in the end doesn't it?. His blog was always like that though. I remember reading his website when he was on Idol and it was the same. Very serious, and sort of in code.. He did ask people not to vote for him, but he did it in a sort of cryptic fashion. He didn't walk off the show though.

I wonder how many actually didn't vote for him because of that? I tried to research it and found as many people on forums saying they were going to vote for him anyway as ones who said they weren't going to. The fact is his performance that week was the weakest (even if it was on purpose) so I don't think what he wrote on his blog mattered.

Jacob always wants to have his cake and eat it, too, don't you think? He didn't want to win, but he didn't want to lose, either. This way he can always leave the impression he might have won if he hadn't asked people not to vote for him.

I like what you said about the Jacob-Kalan stuff all balancing - I know what you mean, I've thought that many times myself. By the way, one of his fans tells me Kalan has been in legal battles for his songs - his recent songs - I'm not sure with who. Apparently he doesn't have the rights to them now and has to start over with new songs, for his (non-Sony) album. I've been told he sounds amazing in the demos.
I shouldn't be surprised Kalan sounds so good now, as he's actually an adult and his voice has matured. But I'm still pretty surprised at how great he sounds.

Acc to gg on mj's, AWM is #63 on HAC and #123 on pop. Without ads. So what is up with j. i. v. e.?

The whole thing is just...something I try not to think about and try to keep hopeful about.

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I wonder how many actually didn't vote for him because of that? I tried to research it and found as many people on forums saying they were going to vote for him anyway as ones who said they weren't going to. The fact is his performance that week was the weakest (even if it was on purpose) so I don't think what he wrote on his blog mattered.

I don't think I voted for him after that. Not on his behalf though, I still liked him, I liked all of them, I just thought.. well hell if you don't want it.. the others do. I'm not voting for someone who doesn't want to win. It was the weakest performance, and I've often thought he didn't try that week - which really made me feel like Zack, because he was really pissed off that week at Jake you could see it. And I'm pretty sure he said it on the radio at the time.

Jacob always wants to have his cake and eat it, too, don't you think? He didn't want to win, but he didn't want to lose, either. This way he can always leave the impression he might have won if he hadn't asked people not to vote for him.

Yes, exactly. He knows how to play people.

I like what you said about the Jacob-Kalan stuff all balancing - I know what you mean, I've thought that many times myself. (By the way, one of his fans tells me he's been in legal battles for his songs - his recent songs - I'm not sure with who. Apparently he doesn't have the rights to them now and has to start over with new songs, for his (non-Sony) album. I've been told he sounds amazing in the demos.
I shouldn't be surprised Kalan sounds so good now, as he's actually an adult and his voice has matured. But I'm still pretty surprised at how great he sounds.

I'm really interested in seeing what he does. Kalan's always had an amazing voice and he's got good musical instincts too. Kalan tweeted about losing his songs to Sony too. He lost the rights to the current stuff he was working on?? It's interesting to me that he was hanging out in LA at the same party as Matthew Morrison and Christina Aguilera (apparently) This is the party..

Matthew Morrison: Richard Simmons for Halloween! | matthew morrison richard simmons costume halloween 05 - Photo Gallery | Just Jared

(strange fact Matthew is wearing a Canadian Olympic sweater over his Richard Simmons gear.. what?)

Acc to gg on mj's, AWM is #63 on HAC and 123 on pop. Without ads. So what is up with j. i. v. e.? The whole thing is just...something I try not to think about and try to keep hopeful about.

J.I.V.E. S.U.C.K.S. I just don't get them.

Also I think Lee is just going to irritate me forever. I give in.

These are really good photos. (Alyssa's band dude cracks me up.. he's in the wrong band, LOL)

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Aren't those the same pictures I linked to? lol

Why is Lee going to irritate you forever? (I can think of a million reasons, but how did you mean it, exactly?)

I'm not sure Jive is totally sucking, yet. I don't get what they're up to, but since they have Kris doing a lot of promo it must be for a reason, right? This song is doing pretty well without ads or promo so they must notice? Plus there seem to be plans for a video...so it's not being ignored. I actually don't know what to make of it - but if money is to be made from the song they'd be foolish not to try to make it. The song is just outside the top 50 on HAC and the top 100 on pop without ads.
 

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Aren't those the same pictures I linked to? lol

Yes, they're still good. :p

Why is Lee going to irritate you forever? (I can think of a million reasons, but how did you mean it, exactly?)

I just read something where he talked about ninja-ing RCA into letting him write his own songs. I don't know it's probably an irrational irritation. LOL But I don't think it's going to leave me.

The song is just outside the top 50 on HAC and the top 100 on pop without ads.

I wonder what an ad date consists of? Does it cost money for example? Does it take a lot of work.. or is it just an email.. hey you can play this song. Type of thing.
 

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I wonder what an ad date consists of? Does it cost money for example? Does it take a lot of work.. or is it just an email.. hey you can play this song. Type of thing.

I don't know anything about it, myself. But if the online grapevine is to believed, it costs money. I'm not sure why it does, or how much. What the money goes to pay for, I don't know - promotional materials? Actually, I thought you knew.

I just read something where he talked about ninja-ing RCA into letting him write his own songs. I don't know it's probably an irrational irritation. LOL But I don't think it's going to leave me.

Oh, I get it now. I read something about this yesterday, on Top Idol, I think, but I didn't really know what people were talking about. So he says he was a ninja in getting to do something already done by David and Kris? What a guy.

ETA: About add dates: Like I said I don't know much. But I gather many stations won't play songs without add dates. I don't know why - I suppose they need to know a lot of other stations are playing it in order to play it themselves?
 

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Dear Kris Allen, thank you for being amazing. Love, ross.

We were talking about adds. This explanation (and the thread that goes with it) may help.

"I WANT AN ADDS DATE!" - LITTLE PAWNS

If this is to be believed, then it seems I guessed right - it does involve a lot of costly promotional stuff. What is ironic here is that if AWM had been the second single it would have gotten the promo and adds right away, like The Truth did. But because TT was the second single and perhaps Jive doesn't feel they got their money's worth on it, they've possibly held back on official adds for AWM, a song that is a much better bet for being a hit. And as this link indicates, no adds, no chance.* So here is Kris doing lots of press - to promote his single presumably - that has not been sent for adds. Excuse me for not getting
it.

* Then again, one of the senators from Alaska who lost the primary, just won the election on a write in vote. Anything is possible.

YouTube - Kris Allen - Alright With Me live at the Grove 11/17/10

Also take a look at this twitvid:

Heather - Kris Allen @ The Grove Soundcheck - TwitVid

Kris will be on Extra on Thanksgiving Day.

Kris Allen and Cale Mills at The Grove in LA | KrisAllenAddicts.com | Fan Site For American Idol Winner & Platinum Selling Artist - Kris Allen

Is that good, or bad?

PS. I think it's sad Kris's fans didn't support TT the way they're supporting AWM. I mean, I said at the time, you don't have to love it, or even like it, just support it. If you want him to have a career, to do more singles, whatever, just support whatever he does, for now. Now is the time when it really matters. This is the difference with Adam's fans - they figured this out immediately. Kris's fans are just getting it. Unfortunately for AWM it may be too late, but I hope not.

Here are some pics with Kris and Slater, I mean, Mario Lopez.

Kris Allen - The Grove - 11/17/2010 - TimeOfDaffodils' Photos

Here is a post by someone who is a Kris fan on MJ's blog (though it's not about Kris):

It seems like everybody in season 9’s top 12 (and Alex Lambert) is working on an album, EP, or releasing a single, and trying to get it out before Christmas. I don’t remember any other season where so many contestants tried to cash in on their idol fame so fast. What I can’t understand is if this is what they wanted, why didn’t they put more effort into trying to connect with the viewers, and trying to show people who they are as artists. Every single one of them can’t honestly believe that given how their season went that it will be easy for them to get people to buy anything that they release.

Why didn't they put more effort into trying to connect with the viewers??! How the hell does she know what kind of effort they were putting out? As for releasing music, they're not trying to make good music? They're trying to cash in on their idol fame? I guess they shouldn't even try. Just give up and go crawl into a cave.

Hindsight is 20-20 I guess.

Did you notice this, that MJ wrote?

After the jump, listen to Kris and Cale sing the band’s latest single, “Alright With Me”.

...the band's latest single? Can you imagine her referring to a song of Adam's as "the band's latest single?"

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
 
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Thanks for the Ads info. Makes sense that the promo is centered around that date.

I loved that clip of Awm from the Grove.. people kept stopping to listen. :p And a 3rd single is always harder I think. Even Sleepwalker for Adam isn't getting played on CHUM. (at least not when I'm listening it isn't) I've only heard it on the new music challenge.. (where it won by 97% BTW - which the DJ's immediately discounted by saying the fan club got called out for that one) Those polls are a double edged sword. You want to win them, but.. eh.. especially for Idol peeps. Still I think it's better to win them than lose them, lol.

As for releasing music, they're not trying to make good music? They're trying to cash in on their idol fame? I guess they shouldn't even try. Just give up and go crawl into a cave.

LOL - true. They don't have to make any apologies for trying to take advantage of their moment to jumpstart a career in music.

...the band's latest single? Can you imagine her referring to a song of Adam's as "the band's latest single?"
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

No I can't imagine. LOL But that's okay. I think it's a good thing. Kris's band are so good and they all seem to love to play together which makes them so easy to watch. They play off of each other to. You can see changes Andrews made to songs and touches that Cale's put into songs, same with Ryland and Torres. It makes things organic and fun and quite frankly keeps me watching the millionth youtube of LLWD.

Stuck in a Moment needs to be heard more quite frankly. Kris and Cale are amazing on that. Radio shows??? Yes please.

Plus did you hear they soundchecked a new song last night? YAY! :)

And how about Crystal getting Farmer's Daughter for a single? I'm happy for her. I don't think it's as radio friendly, and it's not really my musical taste - but it's definitely a better song. And you can tell it's meaningful for her. I'm all for releasing music that means something to them as artists.
 

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This had better be used for the official video or ima have to cut somebody.

It is AWESOME!!!!

Perfectly synched, too.

I don't get why this is a "valentine to the fans" and not immediately made the official video. NOW!! What the **** is the matter with people?? Come on, please do something smart, for once!
 
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Kris's friends did a great job with this, and the twitter questions video. I'm ready to hire them always.
 

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And I forgive them for not including any girls (except a few fans). Not necessary.

I'm ready to hire them always.

I hope you have enough pizza and beer to pay them with. :)

The twitter questions video was okay but this is a really great music video. I mean, it's not as if nobody ever did one like this before, I guess, but it's better than a lot of those, even.

I only have one problem with it, and it's that some of the guys (like Cale) don't get as much screen time as others.

Well, guys, I have to get up early tomorrow so adios for now.
 
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About Crystal. I usually read about her but I don't listen to her music. Someone on Top Idol made a good point comparing her to Adam and saying while both have great voices, they are both grating voices, to some people. Hers always was, to me. I don't like listening to someone when I find I'm clenching my teeth in discomfort at the way their voice hits me, while at the same time "appreciating" their voice. Unfortunately I have this reaction to her. As for Lee, I do kind of like him when he's on key (which he usually is, now, I guess), but his upper range is more or less unpleasant for me. I can't quite describe it but I don't like it. It's just not the way I want a human being to sound. People compare him to David Cook, which I think is wrong. I just sit back and listen to Cook with total amazement at his vocal power but also the beautiful smoothness that is always there, even though it's a "rough" voice. And the perfect pitch, usually. So I don't think that comparison is ever valid

Thanks for the Ads info. Makes sense that the promo is centered around that date.

Well, what it boils down to is similar (in a way) to when I worked at a radio station and did movie reviews. Basically when the studio sent out a lot of promotional materials, the film got reviewed. It's not like we ever went out and sought out films to review. We got big press packages from the studios or releasing organizations, and these would include pictures, interviews, posters, even merch, sometimes. And these would be what we'd concentrate on reviewing. It made our jobs easier because we knoew what the big films were likely to be, in advance, and we had a lot of materials at our diposal such as cast lists and credits. (Before the days of the internet, if you didn't get this stuff you sometimes had to sit through the credits trying to write down who did what. So I'm sure stuff that was not promo'ed was not reviewed, in many cases.)

Also, the studios have offices with screening rooms in the big cities - or sometimes films are screened in conference rooms at the film office etc. - and the critics get shown the movies the studios are interested in having the critics see.

So in other words the distributing arm is very interested in selling its product to the people who can make that product a hit.

In the case of music, this means radio stations, right? So apparently what the person on LittlePawns was saying is that if (let's say) Mix104.1 does not get such a package and other types of promo (which costs the label money) they will never play AWM.

Obviously, the label knows this and the only conclusion I can draw is that if they have no adds date or promo for AWM they don't give a crap about AWM. And if they don't, mainstream radio stations won't. VH1 won't, either. It won't get played, and so it won't be bought by many people, it won't chart very high, and it will be a flop.

Nonetheless, four other CBS sations (Mix 104.1 is a CBS station) are playing it and for all I know they may have gotten some promo, or some word they were to be test cases.

I think we think of radio stations as independent entities unaffiliated with record labels, but the HAC and Top 40 stations seem to be pretty much aligned with labels in that they basically play what the big labels want them to play, when they want them to play it. It seems very symbiotic, doesn't it? There's supposedly no payola, but I think it just takes different forms.

I loved that clip of Awm from the Grove.. people kept stopping to listen. :razz: And a 3rd single is always harder I think. Even Sleepwalker for Adam isn't getting played on CHUM. (at least not when I'm listening it isn't) I've only heard it on the new music challenge.. (where it won by 97% BTW - which the DJ's immediately discounted by saying the fan club got called out for that one) Those polls are a double edged sword. You want to win them, but.. eh.. especially for Idol peeps. Still I think it's better to win them than lose them, lol.

Sleepwalker is single #4, though, I think - but yeah, I'm sure third singles have difficulties but if they're not getting add dates that would be the main difficulty.
 

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I only have one problem with it, and it's that some of the guys (like Cale) don't get as much screen time as others.

Yeah, I noticed Cale's absence too. Wonder what Matthew has against Cale? LMAO. Actually I kid. Matthew kicked serious butt. This is exactly what I wanted from AWM's video. I don't care if it's not "official" It's absolutely perfect.

About Crystal. I usually read about her but I don't listen to her music. Someone on Top Idol made a good point comparing her to Adam and saying while both have great voices, they are both grating voices, to some people. Hers always was, to me. I don't like listening to someone when I find I'm clenching my teeth in discomfort at the way their voice hits me, while at the same time "appreciating" their voice. Unfortunately I have this reaction to her.

IMHO Crystal has a great voice. (hee - but then I like Adam's voice too - lol) But for me is singing the wrong type of music for me to want to listen to her longterm. Farmer's Daughter suited her WAY better than Hold On because she was passionate about it for one thing and the emotion came through. I can see why people love her voice, I understand why she gets a ton of praise, it's just her music isn't really my thing.

As for Lee, I do kind of like him when he's on key (which he usually is, now, I guess), but his upper range is more or less unpleasant for me. I can't quite describe it but I don't like it. It's just not the way I want a human being to sound. People compare him to David Cook, which I think is wrong. I just sit back and listen to Cook with total amazement at his vocal power but also the beautiful smoothness that is always there, even though it's a "rough" voice. And the perfect pitch, usually. So I don't think that comparison is ever valid

Lee I come and go on. I'm going to buy Dear Isabelle.. probably. (I love Annabelle.. so pretty much if he sings about girls with "belle" in the title I'm in I guess). I haven't really paid too much attention to either Crystal or Lee post show. Time will tell I guess. Maybe when the new season starts I'll be looking for Lee and Crystal to save us from the video creating, dancing wonders of season 10. Because I don't care what Nigel thinks.. at least they create their own music - it may not be for everyone but it's personal to them and I'd think they would be more inclined to make music rather than a quest for stardom. :)

Sleepwalker is single #4, though, I think

Good point. And TFM before that.
So I'm sure stuff that was not promo'ed was not reviewed, in many cases.

True. Radio stations are not in a vacumn. It's not like everyone decided Teenage Dream was the next best song on Katy Perry's album altogether at once. Promo works which was why I was so happy to see the Jive push for AWM these past couple of days. Yay!
 

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True. Radio stations are not in a vacumn. It's not like everyone decided Teenage Dream was the next best song on Katy Perry's album altogether at once. Promo works which was why I was so happy to see the Jive push for AWM these past couple of days. Yay!

Yeah, that's true and I guess I don't mean to sound so negative, but I was only talking about official promo sent to radio on add dates, not stuff like this week.

Obviously there's a reason for all the Kris promo (though if Kris actually lived in LA I'm sure he would get more of it). But for myself I wonder if the promo is not management (19) related while the lack of add date is Jive related. In other words I don't think Jive is responsible for the current promo, I think it's Kris's management. I don't understand how management and label work together, really, but I don't think they always do work together. They may even be at odds with each other. Maybe missaddicted knows more about stuff like this.

ETA: But if he's promo-ing AWM, then I guess it must be Jive. But Jive doesn't seem to be putting any money into promo-ing the song.

So I guess I just don't know.

IMHO Crystal has a great voice. (hee - but then I like Adam's voice too - lol) But for me is singing the wrong type of music for me to want to listen to her longterm. Farmer's Daughter suited her WAY better than Hold On because she was passionate about it for one thing and the emotion came through. I can see why people love her voice, I understand why she gets a ton of praise, it's just her music isn't really my thing.

I can understand why people love her voice, I just don't. See, that's all that matters to me. The type of music she sings is maybe of less importance to me. For example, I don't like country music but I can listen to Patsy Cline because I love her voice. In the case of Kris, I think that before I knew what kind of music he was associated with, I loved his voice. But it's also how the singer uses the voice, which is probably more why Adam leaves me cold. I'm sure his voice itself is good but the singing is without personality, for me. When you listen to his songs do you really get a feeling of who is singing (the real person, I mean), and why, and what he's all about? I don't get anything.. Isn't singing like acting? That's how I see it. But I don't get that from him. I always get from him that it's all about what he can do with his voice, and that gets old fast.

I do find the voice hard on my ears, and my nerves, and ditto for Crystal. (And as you know, I will listen to hardcore and screamo stuff, that should be harder on my nerves and ears but isn't!) It wouldn't really matter to me if she sang my favorite style of music. I still wouldn't like the sound. The sound is ultimately the most important thing to me. I don't know...since the season ended I've never listened to anything of hers. I'm just disinterested.

I have watched this AWM video numerous times. Amazing. Have you watched it full-screen yet?

Ryland! is in the whole thing. I guess he's getting back at them all for being in the background all the time, huh?

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Kris and Cale doing this song without the band remind me of the Everly Brothers. Know them?
 
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ETA: But if he's promo-ing AWM, then I guess it must be Jive. But Jive doesn't seem to be putting any money into promo-ing the song.

So I guess I just don't know.

Lizzie thanked someone on Twitter who either works for 19 or Jive for setting up the promo... yeah I don't know who does what either...lol

I have watched this AWM video numerous times. Amazing. Have you watched it full-screen yet?

Ryland! is in the whole thing. I guess he's getting back at them all for being in the background all the time, huh?

LOL Ryland is awesome sauce. He's crazy... in a really good way. It's so good full screen. You see different things the more you watch it. :)

Everly Brothers. Yep. I can see that a bit.

I love this. The kids were excited.

YouTube - Kris Allen Private Performance @ Coronado High School & Cienna Heffinger Sweet 16 Birthday
 

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That video is great! Aren't you glad Kris got an upbeat song for his first single? Imagine if he had to sing some ballad. It wouldn't get this kind of reaction, I'm pretty sure. I think AWM can be a hit like this. Hope so.

That is some enthusiastic crowd!!