Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

[SleepinIn]

But if there had been someone to attract them this season, you really think Adam's crazy fan contingent would have moved on?

For a certain segment. Yep. You bet. I don't think they would have dumped Adam really, but they would been less focused on him. (and I say this as a crazy Kris fan so the irony is not lost on me) but some of those people would have jumped ship for sure. More puppets to make, other scrapbooks to arrange...

Fred Bronson (behind the Idolsnow ap for the iphone) Possibly still at Billboard.. but I'm not sure about that.

 

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Oh, by the way, I meant to say... previously when you went to "Google News" and googled Kris, you got a picture of Adam. Now, however, you get a picture of...are you ready? Lee DeWyze!

I don't think I agree with you about the Adam fans. I'm not even sure of the whole theory. Who did the crazies from Season 7 move on to? Or season 6? Who were their favorites in those seasons? Like, did the Archie fans become Adam fans? Did the Blake fans become Cook fans? For example.

Anyway, where Adam is concerned, since many of his fans think he's the greatest thing ever, ever, ever, I guess I just can't see them paying much attention to anyone else.

 

[SleepinIn]

Yay google progress. LOL I googled Lee and just got Crystal.. googled Adam and got Robert Pattinson.. for Crystal I did get Crystal.

I unfollowed the season 9 folk all on twitter. I left them on a list, but they were driving me nuts. I don't really like them all that much. I still follow Scott BTW. Why do they annoy me more than Scott and his food tweeting? It's mystifying.

I'm not even sure the whole theory can be backed up.

I stand by my theory (for which I have zero facts) I would however state for the record that Clay had a really large band of followers with a really high degree of crazy.

 

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Well, after being the headliner and getting a great response last night, it's back to the same ol'.

debc6582 tough crowd but got stnding O from about half after ct

Another "tough crowd" opening for BNL.

I'm glad Kris had last night. Performers need to have good crowds and validation.

I would however state for the record that Clay had a really large band of followers with a really high degree of crazy.

I know he did, but did they move on to someone in Season 3? Or did they stay loyal to Clay? This is my point. Sorry, I'm just being argumentative.

Anyway, season 9 sure didn't help alleviate the crazy Glambert thing, you're right.

I agree, I didn't like the people from season 9 - and I'll go you one better, I never followed them on twitter in the first place! I didn't hate them, they just bored me. I didn't feel most of them were interested in entertaining us. They seemed mostly to be interested in themselves and their careers. Anyhow, the Slezak interviews were indicative. I tried watching the Aaron one. I couldn't get through it.

 

[SleepinIn]

Did you guys see this? Almost 7 minutes - WITH a pee break. Still completely awesome.

YouTube - 7/24/10: [mostly audio] Is It Over/I Have To Pee - Anthology - San Diego, CA

Okay I couldn't remember who was on season 3. It wasn't a year that I was that interested in to tell you the truth. I'm pretty sure that someone had crazy dedicated fans though.

I didn't feel most of them were interested in entertaining us. They seemed mostly to be interested in themselves and their careers.

You know what? THIS.

and regarding the BNL "tough crowd" see below..

Barenaked Ladies mix humor, introspection at the Dodge

relevant part..

other opening act, however, had almost as big a following at the show as BNL. Kris Allen, winner of last year's "American Idol" delivered a solid set of adult alternative rock that showcased his powerful pipes and tight band. Allen spotlighted his debut CD with eclectic originals like "Live Like We're Dying" and "Is it Over," which featured a scorching solo from guitarist Andrew DeRoberts. Stylistically, the originals veered from triple-A singer-songwriter fare like Jason Mraz to poppy post-grunge a'la Switchfoot or Creed. There was even a bit of Steve Earle twang on "Alright With Me."

Allen also peppered the set with covers he performed on "Idol" including Kanye West's "Heartless" and Michael Jackson's "Man in the Mirror." While the cover tunes elicited the loudest screams from the "Idol" fans, they also highlighted Allen's propensity to over-sing, especially on the set-closing Beatles cover, "Come Together." While he obviously enjoyed performing the cover tunes, his originals showed more promise.

That's pretty awesome I think.

also Kris should hire the @WestonBuck kid to do his publicity. Dude's relentless.

 

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Who's Weston Buck? That Kris fanatic whose twitter account I linked to a while back? (Just a wild guess. I really don't know who it is.)

I'm thoroughly satisfied with that review. A couple of good reviews -- very nice! Remember the Idols tour? Not too many good reviews that time.

There is this one comment under the review. Isn't it odd how few people ever comment on Kris except to slam him? How can you be a cross between the Jonas Bros. and Nickelback?? And just in the "interest of accuracy" the crowd was NOT as enamored with Kris Allen as the reviewer states! Um, okay. Think I'll go comment, myself.

 

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Weston Buck's band is opening for Kris in Reno. No idea who they are though.

I can't explain the commenter. Like.. In the interest of honesty.. only 55 out of 75 people in the first two rows stood for the ovation. :roll: It defies logic.. whatever.

I don't expect that the reviewer will love everything in the set, so yeah, that review is gold for me.

Brian Melo has a new song available for free Download on his website. Looks like he's moving ahead full speed. I'm not sure what I think about it, I'm going to have to listen to it for awhile.

Download “Ain’t Thinking About You” for free! Brian Melo

 

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Um, not what I expected from Brian, has he gone country? I already deleted the song from my iTunes. Sorry, Brian.

Did you see, Uncle Nigel might come back to Idol! I hope it happens!

Oh, and David met with TMZ again... and they asked him to spell stuff, LOL. No scandalous stuff from David, so all they think about is to challenge him to a spelling contest? BWAH! (Not sure where the mustache comes from, that's pretty hilarious too!)

YouTube - David Cook on TMZ 7-26-10

 

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spelling test FTW! Hilarious. Did you see that Alex Wagner-Trugman and Andrew Cook are going to the Glamnation show together - sweet. And probably will be really funny.

Nigel rumour makes me really happy.

Brian's song - not what I expected either. Not deleted yet.. but close. It does sound really country.

 

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I know nothing about the production end of AI so I don't know what Nigel had to do with Idol or why it's good he's coming back (to do what?) so can you guys give me a rundown?

I only remember him as the guy who ...

Nigel Lythgoe Talks American Idol – He Likes Allison and Adam | mjsbigblog

I remember this pretty well ... I think this interview was after Top 5 when Matt was eliminated. So there were four people left, he commented on the remaining contestants, and guess who he ignored?

So I'm not crazy about his taste, I guess! I for one don't want AI to go back to big voices and people who can't play instruments and showbiz. Whoever is in charge I would like them to appreciate the kind of talent I appreciate. Plus, I think AI is like a big, cheesy Brit idea of glitzy Hollywood showbiz, it doesn't even seem American. The fewer involved in AI the better. Simon's gone, now this one is back, so it's still "British Hollywood."

Okay, sorry -- I'm willing to listen. Why is it a good thing? I really don't mean to be so annoying I just am so annoying. lol

 

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You know, when he left at the end of season 7, I can't say that I was sad. Because, yes, Nigel was known to have a really heavy hand on the show. But the last two seasons have been painful: more focus on the judges, the show running over, the lip-synched group numbers, etc, etc. The show was far from perfect during season 7 ( CI was a much much better show, as we've said before), but from the three seasons of AI I've seen, season 7 was the best, and I'm not talking about the contestants here, I'm talking about AI the TV show.

Also, he apparently wants to replace all of the judges, which would be totally fine by me.

 

[SleepinIn]

Nigel coming back would be good for the show in a couple of ways. 1) if they can get the production stuff nailed down that would be awesome. Leaving no time for the contestants while the judges chatter in circles really is a big problem for me, timing wise and interest wise. Lip-synching should be totally banned if they are performing live. period. the end.

2) Nigel is a big enough entity that he kind of rivals Simon - he isn't Simon, but he's connected with the show and he's known to people.

I do however reserve the right to completely change my mind about Nigel on the show. But for now, it's an interesting development.

I don't completely agree with his musical taste.. come on he wants to sing like Danny? (I kid.. Danny stood out for me at first too) But he did say he was a fan of all the people who were left. That includes Kris. (even if he didn't mention him)

 

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Also, he apparently wants to replace all of the judges, which would be totally fine by me.

He also wants only three judges. I don't know how I feel about that. I was happy AI went to four judges. I can't explain why. I was used to four, on CI, I guess, but also I think it's just more variety of opinions and tastes

You know, I agree with your points, but one thing I never understood is why people got so upset about the show running over. It's a show, not a train. Are people's lives on such draconian schedules that they can't take five or ten extra minutes to watch a show, if it's running a little over? (Oh, I know - Tivo. Well, tough.) People are so used to everything on TV being on tape/film, and therefore, timed to the millisecond, they just aren't used to live TV, which is a little unpredictable. I like that it's unpredictable.

Can you guys explain to me what you mean by more focus on the judges (since I didn't see season 7, or prior seasons)? I think I've asked this before. Other than the judges doing their critiques, and some banter with Ryan, how did the show focus too much on the judges? Maybe it's just that there are four judges?

But he did say he was a fan of all the people who were left. That includes Kris. (even if he didn't mention him)

Well, it was kind of obvious he wasn't numero uno on the list. lol. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be anti-Brit particulary it's just that my gut reaction to him is, strangely, kind of negative (even though he's likeable), as he seems so "establishment" with his double-breasted suit and love for big Idol voices. Does he really seem like he's going to make Idol bold, fresh, new, and exciting? I don't know. But he's probably better than Ken Warwick -- is that who he'd be replacing (didn't read the article)?

 

[SleepinIn]

I liked the four judges too. Unfortunately, they are unable to make it work without running over. I want the show to end when it says it's going to end. That's just me. I don't see how they can't do that, when they have shortened songs already and 10 people at the most singing. I don't mind an occasional runover but when it's consistently running over that's just bad production.

for me the focus on the judges happened as the show got "bigger" ratings wise and personality wise. The first seasons actually were a lot different from the last couple. Basically they just spent more time on the judges. In the early years after the audition episodes the judges weren't as big a presence on the show. They gave their opinons - but they didn't bring out colouring books, or spend a lot of time with Ryan and Simon chattering at each other. They still did it, but it didn't go on so long. Or it didn't seem to go on as long.

These video pictures are getting me excited about the video..

 

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For me, it was not the running over per se that I didn't like. It was the fact that there was already only like 12 minutes of music in an hour. When they were going over, it was not because they were adding music, it's because the judges couldn't shut up.

The focus on the judges? Well, all the Paula-Simon antics, for starters. And they could never be useful and succint. Since I found them useless to start with, it didn't help that the time given to the judges was so long. I could think of a billion example. I kind of liked Kara this year (the only almost-useful one), but she was trying so effing hard! And she was always arguing with Simon. Just shut up!

Also, the judges were not making a big entrance and crossing the stage as if they were the stars of the show when Nigel was there. It's only 30 seconds, but I don't like when they do that.

 

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Also, the judges were not making a big entrance and crossing the stage as if they were the stars of the show when Nigel was there. It's only 30 seconds, but I don't like when they do that.

Ha! Me either. We're so mean. No spotlight for you guys! Stay in your seats and don't speak unless you can do it in concise sentences. At the same time, I do want them to be having fun on the panel too. Simon didn't seem to be having any fun the past couple of years. And maybe that was the biggest problem of all.

 

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Simon didn't seem to be having any fun the past couple of years. And maybe that was the biggest problem of all.

Yes, that's a good point.

 

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If you watch CI clips, now, comparing them to AI, you'd be shocked at how succinct the judges' comments are at times, especially Sass and Farley. Judges' comments aren't all that important, but on AI they try to manipulate the voting so much, they have to drag it out and give their words so much weight.

I think the judges were pretty succinct on AI last year. But that judges' panel had no chemistry.

Did Simon used to have fun? I never watched so I have no idea.

 

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If you watch CI clips, now, comparing them to AI, you'd be shocked at how succinct the judges' comments are at times, especially Sass and Farley. Judges' comments aren't all that important, but on AI they try to manipulate the voting so much, they have to drag it out and give their words so much weight.

Yes, I think that's pretty much what SleepinIn and I mean about the over-emphasis on the judges. I loved the CI judges most of the time. They were giving their opinion, but they were not acting like the stars of the show.

I don't know if Simon ever had "fun", but he seemed more involved in the show anyhow.

 

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I thought you were saying that the emphasis on the judges was taking time away from the singers. That's what I wasn't sure about. I don't think that's what's taking time away from the singers (probably). I don't know what is, but I suspect commercials. I'm sure every year they sell more and more commercial time, since everyone wants to sponsor the most popular show on TV. And that must cut into the time.