I liked them as a group. I remember thinking they were not the typical AI group. The camaraderie usually seemd manufactured to me, other years, when it was sometimes painful to watch. I think that following the tour solidified the feelings for the group, for me. The videos, bubble tweets, even going to the concert. And also, some of the Slezak interviews (like with Matt). I still follow most of them on twitter.
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I liked them as a group. I remember thinking they were not the typical AI group. The camaraderie usually seemd manufactured to me, other years, when it was sometimes painful to watch. I think that following the tour solidified the feelings for the group, for me. The videos, bubble tweets, even going to the concert. And also, some of the Slezak interviews (like with Matt). I still follow most of them on twitter.
Wasn't it Gawker or something? I liked Richard.
I have the fuzzies towards CI2, AI7, AI8, and CI6. Not everyone but enough that I'm interested in them. Then mostly scattered CI orphans.
okay AI8 as a group.. I still even follow Scott.. not ever buying his music. But Scott doing a drum solo..? good stuff. AI7 for David, Jason and Brooke and Archie because he's funny and sweet.
I have the fuzzies towards CI2, AI7, AI8, and CI6. Not everyone but enough that I'm interested in them. Then mostly scattered CI orphans.
okay AI8 as a group.. I still even follow Scott.. not ever buying his music. But Scott doing a drum solo..? good stuff. AI7 for David, Jason and Brooke and Archie because he's funny and sweet.
From Melinda Green, of the Top Idol blog. These are more or less my sentiments, though there are other reasons I have for liking Kris (I prefer his voice and his singing style, it's not all just about believabilty for me. Though of course that's a big factor too), and I am a Kristard).
She was responding to a post on her blog, I think (it's late and I'm not fully awake).
There is a lot of stuff about Lambert I’m not a fan of, but I don’t hate the guy. I’m not into that kind of voice. It’s not my thing. (I hate big-voiced female diva singers, too.) For me, my problem with Adam (and I have talked to many other bloggers about this) is that I did not ever buy his connection to the music. I need to see someone connect emotionally to a song. I always felt like he was acting. People can joke and call me a Kristard, whatever. I’m not. But I like the guy. And he grew on me more with each passing week. I felt he chose songs that resonated with him. I think his Ain’t No Sunshine was one of my all-time favorite Idol “moments” in retrospect.
I’m also going by what I witnessed live when I attended the Top 5 rehearsal. I think it also says something that both of last season’s film industry mentors, Jamie Foxx and Quentin Tarentino, both commented on how Kris Allen connected to the music. That he “got it.” Lambert was praised for his voice, but never about the connection. It’s ironic, really, since he’s basically a trained actor as much as he is a singer. Believability was why I preferred Allen over Lambert. Period. Feel free to take it up with Jim and Slezak, too. People who make a large part of their career covering Idol share similar sentiments.
There is a lot of electronic music I love, but I’m more into dubstep than house. I’ve seen lots of performers like Lambert before, so I don’t consider him an original by any stretch, but yes, he WAS original for American Idol. He was something different from what they had on there and hey, that’s great. I thought he was a great thing for the show. But for me, his best Idol performance will always be his final Hollywood Week performance — Cher’s Believe. (I am a gigantic Cher fan anyway, so…I was so excited to see it performed on the show.)
What I don’t like about him is that he often sticks his foot in his mouth and he’s not established enough to be anything but gracious at this point in his career. I also firmly believe he cares more about fame than music. Perhaps some of this could have been avoided if he had not been/was not overpimped to death. What a lot of people don’t realize is that last season, many of the same people who were turned off by the Gokey pimpage were also turned off by similar behavior/attitudes towards Lambert. It’s the same reason David Archuleta lost the year before.
I never bought Archie’s connection to his songs, either. He was too damn young, perhaps. In fact, the only teenage contestant I’ve actually ever loved is Allison Iraheta. She was something extraordinary when compared to everyone under 18 they’ve ever had on the show.
The problem is that Lambert’s uber-fans can’t handle any criticism of their rock god (oh, and he is so not rock & roll. anyway…) when he’s still a relatively young artist. Making such claims about him being the next Elton John, Elvis, Madonna, et al so soon in a person’s career isn’t going to do them ANY favors. It’s just setting you up for disappointment, and turning others off who think these statements have very little if ANY validity. Selecting Lambert as the first-ever Idol contestant to come back and mentor is just furthering this delusion.
She was responding to a post on her blog, I think (it's late and I'm not fully awake).
There is a lot of stuff about Lambert I’m not a fan of, but I don’t hate the guy. I’m not into that kind of voice. It’s not my thing. (I hate big-voiced female diva singers, too.) For me, my problem with Adam (and I have talked to many other bloggers about this) is that I did not ever buy his connection to the music. I need to see someone connect emotionally to a song. I always felt like he was acting. People can joke and call me a Kristard, whatever. I’m not. But I like the guy. And he grew on me more with each passing week. I felt he chose songs that resonated with him. I think his Ain’t No Sunshine was one of my all-time favorite Idol “moments” in retrospect.
I’m also going by what I witnessed live when I attended the Top 5 rehearsal. I think it also says something that both of last season’s film industry mentors, Jamie Foxx and Quentin Tarentino, both commented on how Kris Allen connected to the music. That he “got it.” Lambert was praised for his voice, but never about the connection. It’s ironic, really, since he’s basically a trained actor as much as he is a singer. Believability was why I preferred Allen over Lambert. Period. Feel free to take it up with Jim and Slezak, too. People who make a large part of their career covering Idol share similar sentiments.
There is a lot of electronic music I love, but I’m more into dubstep than house. I’ve seen lots of performers like Lambert before, so I don’t consider him an original by any stretch, but yes, he WAS original for American Idol. He was something different from what they had on there and hey, that’s great. I thought he was a great thing for the show. But for me, his best Idol performance will always be his final Hollywood Week performance — Cher’s Believe. (I am a gigantic Cher fan anyway, so…I was so excited to see it performed on the show.)
What I don’t like about him is that he often sticks his foot in his mouth and he’s not established enough to be anything but gracious at this point in his career. I also firmly believe he cares more about fame than music. Perhaps some of this could have been avoided if he had not been/was not overpimped to death. What a lot of people don’t realize is that last season, many of the same people who were turned off by the Gokey pimpage were also turned off by similar behavior/attitudes towards Lambert. It’s the same reason David Archuleta lost the year before.
I never bought Archie’s connection to his songs, either. He was too damn young, perhaps. In fact, the only teenage contestant I’ve actually ever loved is Allison Iraheta. She was something extraordinary when compared to everyone under 18 they’ve ever had on the show.
The problem is that Lambert’s uber-fans can’t handle any criticism of their rock god (oh, and he is so not rock & roll. anyway…) when he’s still a relatively young artist. Making such claims about him being the next Elton John, Elvis, Madonna, et al so soon in a person’s career isn’t going to do them ANY favors. It’s just setting you up for disappointment, and turning others off who think these statements have very little if ANY validity. Selecting Lambert as the first-ever Idol contestant to come back and mentor is just furthering this delusion.
Now, back to reality...of sorts...
The following is a true story (seriously). I woke up this morning and I thought about Adam being scheduled to mentor, and I thought it had all been a bad dream. I was so relieved. This is the truth. A bad dream, like one whole season of Dallas. I started to laugh. Then I realized it was all TRUE. Then it wasn't so funny.
So anyway, let's get something out of the way early. This is not, has never been, for me, about whether Adam will do a "good job" or not. It's been my experience that most Idol contestants tend to do a good-to-great job at everything. Unlike most professionals, who approach show business kind of haphazardly and are good at some things and not at others, the idols are basically trained for a year in all the things other people have to pick up along the way. They are trained to learn how to do everything well, or, to appear to.
It's only about whether he deserved it, and I guess I don't think so.
I don't even think it's too early for Adam to be a mentor, that he lacks experience. I also don't think it's too soon for Kris (who I think would probably be an excellent mentor, based on his quote, back a few posts, about helping others -- I assumed he meant the other contestants. Also, he seems to be great at giving others confidence). I don't think it's rocket science, anyway.
But I just don't think Adam deserves what amounts to enormous pimpage.
Not only is the show going to give him so much more on-air time than any other former contestant has ever gotten (they usually get maybe five, ten minutes), but he'll basically "star" in the episode, and the following one as well, like all mentors. And he'll get further publicty down the line due to his connection with this year's finalists, and whatever relationships ensue from that. Know what I mean by that?- if not, wait and see. Well, I think so, anyway.
Okay, so that's all I have to say about it.
Oh, except: why was he chosen to do this? I can't speculate. I wonder if we'll ever know. The whole idea seems stupid, to me. Again, not because he won't be good. If he's brilliant, the idea will still seem stupid to me.
The following is a true story (seriously). I woke up this morning and I thought about Adam being scheduled to mentor, and I thought it had all been a bad dream. I was so relieved. This is the truth. A bad dream, like one whole season of Dallas. I started to laugh. Then I realized it was all TRUE. Then it wasn't so funny.
So anyway, let's get something out of the way early. This is not, has never been, for me, about whether Adam will do a "good job" or not. It's been my experience that most Idol contestants tend to do a good-to-great job at everything. Unlike most professionals, who approach show business kind of haphazardly and are good at some things and not at others, the idols are basically trained for a year in all the things other people have to pick up along the way. They are trained to learn how to do everything well, or, to appear to.
It's only about whether he deserved it, and I guess I don't think so.
I don't even think it's too early for Adam to be a mentor, that he lacks experience. I also don't think it's too soon for Kris (who I think would probably be an excellent mentor, based on his quote, back a few posts, about helping others -- I assumed he meant the other contestants. Also, he seems to be great at giving others confidence). I don't think it's rocket science, anyway.
But I just don't think Adam deserves what amounts to enormous pimpage.
Not only is the show going to give him so much more on-air time than any other former contestant has ever gotten (they usually get maybe five, ten minutes), but he'll basically "star" in the episode, and the following one as well, like all mentors. And he'll get further publicty down the line due to his connection with this year's finalists, and whatever relationships ensue from that. Know what I mean by that?- if not, wait and see. Well, I think so, anyway.
Okay, so that's all I have to say about it.
Oh, except: why was he chosen to do this? I can't speculate. I wonder if we'll ever know. The whole idea seems stupid, to me. Again, not because he won't be good. If he's brilliant, the idea will still seem stupid to me.
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Gawker is like a blog or something.
Twitter of course. But it's the Idols Now interview with the guy from Billboard. It was good, right?
Heifer International: No Shoes Required for American Idol Kris Allen
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Oh, Kris you are so much better than me..and I love you dearly..and you are talking about very important things... but, but.. the hair..*hangs head* I'm so shallow.. lol
Twitter of course. But it's the Idols Now interview with the guy from Billboard. It was good, right?
Heifer International: No Shoes Required for American Idol Kris Allen
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Oh, Kris you are so much better than me..and I love you dearly..and you are talking about very important things... but, but.. the hair..*hangs head* I'm so shallow.. lol
I liked Top Idol's blog -- I think Kris is Kris no matter the situation. He is an artist. He'd be making music somehow if he was selling shoes, we'd never hear it but he'd still be doing it even if he never recorded another CD. I do sometimes get the acting vibe from Adam too, but I think it's a fake it til you make it kind of vibe, he's still new at this no matter what pedestal the media has put him on. To his credit he's the first to admit it...but he takes advantage of it too.
and I'm sorry you had such a scary return to reality this morning.
I personally do think it's too soon for Adam to return to be a mentor. Especially when they've been so quick to distance themselves from the other Idol singers and winners. If you look at the success stories they've had - why bring Adam back to mentor? Kelly, Carrie, Chris, Jennifer, David heck even Clay, Fantasia and Reuben, Jordin. They've all sold a lot more, toured a lot more, and experienced a lot more in the Idol machine. And the music business machine. If they wanted a former Idol as a mentor they should have looked there first.
Now, this I can answer. Idol for all it's successes has always struggled with the perception of these extremely talented people as uncool, or that they were somehow given entry into show business on a free pass. Adam is a media lightening rod, and ups Idol's perceived cool factor. Plus, he's probably cheaper than say Shania, and they get to push their own product -- Adam. Seriously, no other Idol has ever gotten the treatment that Adam has. Plus if you look at it like this is the last season of Idol - which it could very well be. Then it's possibly the last year they could have Adam back. (When they do the backstage stuff I wonder if that's why they're doing it. Acknowledge the crew in the last year kinda thing.. ??? Who knows)
and I'm sorry you had such a scary return to reality this morning.
I personally do think it's too soon for Adam to return to be a mentor. Especially when they've been so quick to distance themselves from the other Idol singers and winners. If you look at the success stories they've had - why bring Adam back to mentor? Kelly, Carrie, Chris, Jennifer, David heck even Clay, Fantasia and Reuben, Jordin. They've all sold a lot more, toured a lot more, and experienced a lot more in the Idol machine. And the music business machine. If they wanted a former Idol as a mentor they should have looked there first.
Now, this I can answer. Idol for all it's successes has always struggled with the perception of these extremely talented people as uncool, or that they were somehow given entry into show business on a free pass. Adam is a media lightening rod, and ups Idol's perceived cool factor. Plus, he's probably cheaper than say Shania, and they get to push their own product -- Adam. Seriously, no other Idol has ever gotten the treatment that Adam has. Plus if you look at it like this is the last season of Idol - which it could very well be. Then it's possibly the last year they could have Adam back. (When they do the backstage stuff I wonder if that's why they're doing it. Acknowledge the crew in the last year kinda thing.. ??? Who knows)
I can't watch that Arkansas Online video, it just freezes my browser, what's it about? The walk I guess...
I'll have to take out my shoes only at home, I guess, LOL. It's freezing outside today, so I would certainly not walk barefoot outside. And I work in a place where I could find both chemical products and broken glass on the floor. So I'm certainly not taking my shoes off!
Kristen Bell tweeted a picture of her in a doctor's office with her bare feet on the desk, I thought it was cute. I think Hanson were also walking in Tulsa, OK, today. They've been involved with TOMS shoes for years, and they used to organize a bare foot walk before all of their shows with their fans, in every city of their tour.
That's my opinion as well. But, I do think that it's all about pimping Adam, and I hate that it is. It's not as if he hasn't already been given all the opportunities. And it's somewhat a way for Idol to present their "superstar", the media-darling and give him once again more hype that he probably deserves. I don't think this is Idol's final season. I don't know if they can redeem themselves after Simon is gone, but this season is one of the worst, I can't imagine them going out with this downer of a season.
I'll have to take out my shoes only at home, I guess, LOL. It's freezing outside today, so I would certainly not walk barefoot outside. And I work in a place where I could find both chemical products and broken glass on the floor. So I'm certainly not taking my shoes off!
Kristen Bell tweeted a picture of her in a doctor's office with her bare feet on the desk, I thought it was cute. I think Hanson were also walking in Tulsa, OK, today. They've been involved with TOMS shoes for years, and they used to organize a bare foot walk before all of their shows with their fans, in every city of their tour.
That's my opinion as well. But, I do think that it's all about pimping Adam, and I hate that it is. It's not as if he hasn't already been given all the opportunities. And it's somewhat a way for Idol to present their "superstar", the media-darling and give him once again more hype that he probably deserves. I don't think this is Idol's final season. I don't know if they can redeem themselves after Simon is gone, but this season is one of the worst, I can't imagine them going out with this downer of a season.
SomethingPitchy: Saved by the Judges - American Idol - AOL Television
It again features Jim and also Melinda Green, so I was curious to see her... putting this here to watch it when I get home
It again features Jim and also Melinda Green, so I was curious to see her... putting this here to watch it when I get home
Whoa, I'm sorry. I totally disagree with you on that one. Adam has no cool factor. Maybe he does in Canada? I don't think that's happening here.
The older lady who likes Adam had a convo with me today and I told her he was going to mentor on AI next week. "Oh, my God, after that other performance I didn't think we'd ever hear from him again." (The AMAs.) I think, like this woman, most people here haven't really seen much of Adam since then. "I thought they wouldn't want anything to do with him after that." Think again.
She also said something else interesting. She said she saw Adam as someone who would do anything to get ahead, lie, cheat, whatever. I found it interesting that she likes him and at the same time thinks this about him. I somehow have a feeling a lot of his fans feel he's ruthless and yet they like it. Just like we like Kris for not being that way.
Quoting myself, because that was actually supposed to read "more thaN he probably deserves". Kinda changes the meaning of the sentence!
I'm like in between your opinions about Adam's cool factor. I do believe that he gives something to the media that other Idols don't (gossip and "controversial" statements, mainly). I do believe he is a media-darling. Do people think AI is cooler because Adam was on the show? I'm not sure. But, I do think Adam receives a lot of media attention, and Idol wanted to capitalize on that. I still think Adam will benefit more from appearing on Idol than Idol will benefit from having him on the show, but who knows.
You know, when something an artist does that both makes you happy and unhappy? Well, that just happened for me. MIKA has a song (the title track actually) on the Kick-Ass movie soundtrack and I thought, yay for him, he will finally maybe have a hit in the U.S. From what I saw the song is a collaboration with RedOne (the Lady Gaga producer? Also worked with Adam?). And it's really catchy, but the song is that kind of dance song that's everywhere right now. It kind of takes everything away from MIKA that I really love, like his originality and his subtlety. I don't really want him making that kind of forgettable music.
I'll let you judge, if you want:
YouTube - MIKA - Kick Ass Official Music Video
I can't watch the video right now, but I will later.
Yeah, maybe I'm not the one to judge if Adam has a cool factor. I tend to think people see him as a product of AI, and AI is very uncool, but I guess he is "cooler than AI" (what isn't?), so I think I understand what you're saying, SleepinIn.
Somewhere around last night or today I came to the conclusion that TPTB are trying either to rehabilitate Adam's image or redefine it. And I think this mentoring gig has something to do with that. It's not just what my friend, Mrs. M., said today. I wondered about it before that. I think after the AMAs they wanted Adam to lay low professionally, in the US. Or it could be that people didn't want to book him for concerts. Either way, he's had very little work in this country after the Idols tour. There must be a reason for that. Also, if he was doing really well here, they would never have chosen to send him out of the country for a month. They'd need him here to promote himself.
Yeah, maybe I'm not the one to judge if Adam has a cool factor. I tend to think people see him as a product of AI, and AI is very uncool, but I guess he is "cooler than AI" (what isn't?), so I think I understand what you're saying, SleepinIn.
Somewhere around last night or today I came to the conclusion that TPTB are trying either to rehabilitate Adam's image or redefine it. And I think this mentoring gig has something to do with that. It's not just what my friend, Mrs. M., said today. I wondered about it before that. I think after the AMAs they wanted Adam to lay low professionally, in the US. Or it could be that people didn't want to book him for concerts. Either way, he's had very little work in this country after the Idols tour. There must be a reason for that. Also, if he was doing really well here, they would never have chosen to send him out of the country for a month. They'd need him here to promote himself.
LOL, yeah, it's more a perception. If you repeat something enough times in the media, people start to believe the story you're trying to sell. Enough of those fake news examiner stories are published to send an Adam parade around the world.
And I do agree Missaddicted that Adam will benefit, more from being on Idol than Idol will. Idol is still a show that is at the top of the ratings. Big stars still want to sing on it. I had a bit of a reality check today myself. Someone at work said that this year's Idol is full of talented people. Wait. What? Did they mean it? They did!! Crazy talk. LOL
Amazing Grace. Really good.
Kris singing "amazing grace" from the video. by Julie Ivy - TwitVid
I liked the Mika video
It's kind of generic/dance but for a movie soundtrack it's fine.Someone on MJ's had the temerity to suggest that Kris has as much in common with Elvis as Adam. Of course, he does, if not more, but you're not supposed to say that. Neither of them should be being compared to the King, one of the biggest stars in history, obviously. But why Adam is like someone who sang Blue Suede Shoes while playing acoustic guitar, or sang songs like Amazing Grace, I don't get. Dying your hair black doesn't make you Elvis Presley.
What does this have to do with Adam Lambert?
YouTube - elvis presley blue suede shoes color
What does this have to do with Adam Lambert?
YouTube - elvis presley blue suede shoes color