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[missaddicted]

From what I've read a few times before, VH1 apparently doesn't only consider the votes for the countdown. It's a mix of the votes, chart placement and probably also their own input. So maybe VH1 decided to put Lifehouse at #1 this week.

Thanks for the info, SleepinIn. It's weird. Maybe it's because of IGB. But the last time they did Idol Gives Back, I'm pretty sure that people from Canada could also donate.

BTW, for the Matt Nathanson fans, I recommend this: Live From Daryl's House with Daryl Hall :: Episode 17 Daryl Hall with Matt Nathanson

It's with Daryl Hall from Hall & Oats. The songs sound soooo good. He also has previous episodes with some other artists like KT Tunstall (I listened to a few songs with her as well, they were sounding amazing) and Patrick Stump.

 

[missaddicted]

Video of "You and I" or "U And I" as David called it on twitter (not the best quality, I'm expecting better audio/video later):

YouTube - David Cook and the Anthemic, You and I, Morongo

It's stuck in my head... which is a good sign!

 

[SleepinIn]

From what I've read a few times before, VH1 apparently doesn't only consider the votes for the countdown. It's a mix of the votes, chart placement and probably also their own input. So maybe VH1 decided to put Lifehouse at #1 this week.

Yeah, that's true. VH1 will pull videos too if they're getting spammed.

Thanks for the info, SleepinIn. It's weird. Maybe it's because of IGB. But the last time they did Idol Gives Back, I'm pretty sure that people from Canada could also donate.

We could buy the singles - I have Permanent afterall and I was able to donate on the site they gave. It's weird that they won't sell us the single though. I wonder what rights issue messed it up?

I'll have to watch that video -- the live from Daryl's House shows are really fun. I can't remember who I watched on that before but I really enjoyed it. Matt Nathanson would be awesome.

 

[SleepinIn]

U and I.. nice. I think you're right it's got a good earworm quality to it.

 

[missaddicted]

We could buy the singles - I have Permanent afterall

Permanent was not done for IGB, but you're right, I had bought Daughtry's acoustic version of What About Now from the last IGB, two years ago. Rights issues? That really sucks.

U and IIIIIIII, Do or Diiiiiiiiiie...

 

[ross 1]

From what I've read a few times before, VH1 apparently doesn't only consider the votes for the countdown. It's a mix of the votes, chart placement and probably also their own input. So maybe VH1 decided to put Lifehouse at #1 this week.

There seems to be some dispute on the boards about whether this method is how videos get on the countdown in the first place, or whether it's how they're ranked after they're already on the chart (as opposed to votes alone). I tend to think it's the former, but I've been wrong before. Frequently!

So, if VH1 decided Lifehouse should be #1, it follows that they also decided Adam should be #2 and Kris should be #8. I wonder why they would?

Nobody commented on my question about the Script, who are listed on the countdown as "The Script (Live)." And instead of their video (if they have one), there's a tape of a live performance. Why are people voting on a live performance on a video countdown?? Makes no sense. Why should it be competing with videos?

David's haircut looks great. I get tired of reading snarky comments on his losing his hair, or whatever they say. I never thought so. (I know you're not really into comments about David's appearance, missaddicted, but I just wanted to say that he looks good.)

 

[missaddicted]

I have no clue about VH1 or The Script. Maybe The Script's video is a live video, bands do that sometimes, no (like Theo's video for Wait For You)? About VH1, the info I listed last night was coming from VH1 themselves (per reliable posters on DCO), but I don't know more exact details.

Here's a video of U And I with the best audio so far:

YouTube - David Cook - U And I

I really like the song and I like the cute keyboard line. David was in fine voice last night. Oh and ross, I did actually wanted to comment that he looked really good. I'm not one to complain about his hair, but his hair was FTW last night. Embrace the large forehead! Fans are also marvelling at the fact that he has a tan, lol.

Do you like the song ross? I kind of thought this would be the kind of stuff from David that you could prefer.

 

[missaddicted]

(Yeah, he did look hot last night: Twitpic - Share photos on Twitter)

 

[ross 1]

Idolatry!

'Idolatry': Miraculous survivals, new contenders, and a Bowersox concern this week on 'American Idol' | EW.com

Do you like the song ross? I kind of thought this would be the kind of stuff from David that you could prefer.

I usually like David's songs! I never really watched him on AI, and I think sometimes it's harder to get into a performer from AI if you haven't ever really seen them until after the show is over. It's impossible not to like him, though, as far as I'm concerned. I'm probably not totally into his kind of voice or style of music, though. On the other hand, sometimes I hear him on the radio and say to myself, "Wow." It's such a powerful voice, yet so beautiful in it's rough edged way.

I realize this doesn't answer your question. I haven't listened to the song, yet, except for a few bars, that's why. I'll give it a good listen in a while.

 

[missaddicted]

It's impossible not to like him, though, as far as I'm concerned. I'm probably not totally into his kind of voice or style of music, though. On the other hand, sometimes I hear him on the radio and say to myself, "Wow." It's such a powerful voice, yet so beautiful in it's rough edged way.

That was nicely said! I didn't want to imply that you usually didn't like him, just that the song is more uptempo than most of the songs on DCTR and that you seemed to think it was a good thing if he included more uptempo stuff on his new album.

Yay, Idolatry!

 

[ross 1]

I just listened to the song. I guess for some reason I thought it would actually be more uptempo than it is. It's more (I don't know if this is correct terminology) mid-tempo. It reminded me slightly, in parts, of Brian Adams and Bob Seger. (By the way, I don't remember saying David should include more uptempo stuff on his album. But my memory sometimes sucks. I basically think he should do what makes him happy and what expresses who he is as an artist.)

I liked the song, I have it in my head already. I'd like to hear the studio version, though. Do you think it has hit potential?

 

[missaddicted]

Yeah, it could be more uptempo, but compared to the very much midtempo songs on DCTR, the chorus of that song is way uptempo, LOL!

I think it was when David was working with that songwriter/producer in Vancouver (I'm drawing a blank here... the guy who worked with Hedley) that you mentionned something about the uptempo songs, it was a positive comment by the way, not a negative, and I agreed with you. It might have been in the chat.

As for hit potential, I'm probably not the best person to judge, since I think most of the hits on the radio right now suck, but it does have that earworm quality that I think was lacking on both Light On and Come Back to Me.

 

[ross 1]

As for hit potential, I'm probably not the best person to judge, since I think most of the hits on the radio right now suck, but it does have that earworm quality that I think was lacking on both Light On and Come Back to Me.

I think they're both earworms. I just don't think the lyrics are very original.

I didn't mean to imply the song wasn't uptempo enough, only that from the talk I expected something more fast. It would be fun to see David try something very fast and rocking, since he has a lot of personality and energy. I'm not familiar with what he does in concert so if I'm wrong and he does, forget it.

To change the subject for a moment, Idolatry reminded me of a few things. Looking back at the Top 12 men, I think Casey was the best of the night. I mean, Andrew was good enough, but the song choice didn't showcase him well. Lee seems potentially good but he really hurt my ears with the sour notes. The rest basically tanked, so that leaves Casey.

The way he was presented showed a lot of the same disrespect he got when they asked him to take his shirt off. Kara was ridiculous -- you don't steal focus while people are performing. I don't know whether they're pulling something similar to the Simon-Paula antics of last year, to lessen the impact of a performer (though that was during judging). It reads like we shouldn't take him seriously as a musician.

Anyhow, I think his performance was enjoyable, without any real flaws, and seemed to engage the audience. And, on a night like that one, that alone ought to make him the front runner. By contrast, I think Andew showed some flaws as a live performer. He didn't really grab the audience and seemed kind of introverted.

BTW, did either of them even get a mention from Slezak?

PS. I like Alex. He's laid back and real. He can sing. But he has a ways to go. I'd like to see him stick around a bit

 

[missaddicted]

Now that we're talking about it, though, it would be fun to see David try something very fast and rocking, since he has a lot of personality and energy. I'm not familiar with what he does in concert so if I'm wrong and he does, forget it.

He did a cover of Van Halen' Hot For Teacher that would fit the bill pretty well!

YouTube - David Cook HOT FOR TEACHER Biloxi

I have some (not really positive) comments about Casey, but I'll post later, I have to go!

 

[ross 1]

Kudos to Slezak for highlighting Kris, not only Let It Be, but Apologize. Not surprised he continues to highlight Allison! But she is a nice contrast to some of this year's crop. (The clips of Siobhan talking were hilarious, by the way. I still don't get her at all.)

I don't get the appeal of Tim Urban (if any. Just because he wasn't eliminated right away doesn't indicate popularity, necessarily). I mean, even his looks aren't exactly spectacular, more like "cute guy from your high school," without anything interesting. And his personality...Basically, he says and does all the right things but to me there's an edge of acting or fakeness to it. My first impressions can be wrong (like Sebastian Pigott), so who knows? He can't sing, anyhow.

I watched the tape of the results show on Friday night. I was not all that impressed with Allison, though she was good. At first I thought her being on the show would divide focus and give less to Kris, but probably Kris being on the show pulled more focus away from Allison. If she'd been the only ex-idol on the show it would have been better for her in terms of attention.

I still had trouble with her on lyrics. It's not like hearing the lyrics of a song is not important. If she's slurring the lyrics, not only can't I hear them but I get a sense she's not meaning them -- when in fact she may really be meaning and feeling them. It just doesn't come across if she doesn't enunciate.

Hot For Teacher (not one of my favorite songs, but not bad) was fun!

 

[missaddicted]

Oh, and about this:

I think they're both earworms. I just don't think the lyrics are very original.

I'm still pissed they didn't choose at least one single that was co-written by David. The lyrics to CBTM are indeed pretty ridiculous. If they do the same thing with Kris, I will be pissed as well.

About Casey: He was probably the best in an ocean of suck, but right now, I can't take him seriously as a musician. And it's because of him, not the judges. HE decided to take his shirt off during his audition, Randy was asking as a joke because the girls were acting stupid. He could have said no. Also, he came off really smarmy and calculating to me last Wednesday. I didn't feel the authenticity. I felt that with his hair down, his smile that was a bit too much and creepy, and also the song choice, he was trying to seduce me through the TV screen and I was like, dude, no. He came off to me as if he was accepting his "hearthrob" status and presenting himself as such. I seem to be in the minority though, but that's how I felt. Casey has a looooong way to go before I take him seriously as a musician.

Also, put him with David, Kris and even Adam, his performance would have been truly mediocre, in my opinion.

ETA: But I agree that the judges were totally disrespectful to him, they were ridiculous.

 

[ross 1]

I have no clue about VH1 or The Script. Maybe The Script's video is a live video, bands do that sometimes, no (like Theo's video for Wait For You)?

Just FYI, they do have an actual video for Breakeven. I saw it on the countdown a few weeks ago.

YouTube - The Script - Break Even Official Video

As for Casey, I just think he deserves some credit. He picked a song that worked for him, he sang it well, and his whole presentation was professional. That's what you're supposed to do.

Also, he handled the distractions and went with the flow, rather than letting anything throw him. Other than possibly Andrew, at this point, he's the only one I see having enough star quality to sell tickets, and AI is about "the search for a superstar," not for someone who would be fun to see in a small bar. Just trying to be objective and give him props, since I'm actually not really a big fan, myself.

 

[ross 1]

Also, Randy may have started it, but the two girls did encouage him to take his shirt off. And he had just said he was willing to do anything it takes. I understand your feeling about this, but people do a lot more humilitating things than taking their shirts off in order to get their foot in the door, in show business. I've auditoned a lot, and if they asked me to do that, I'd have done it. I mean, you have to be willing to do what you need to do if you want to get a break. It may not be honorable, but it's practical. He got his gold ticket, so I guess I think he obviously did the right thing. If he wins and ends up making millions, I doubt he'll regret the choice.

YouTube - Casey James strips for Victoria and Kara on American Idol 2010 Denver


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHCrGYEOGtU

 

[missaddicted]

I still don't have to respect it or like him, even if what he did was practical... to a degree since it also made people dislike him based on that. I'm not the only one on this. I have too many problems with him and I had to many problems with his performance to really give him props, except to say that he was "alright", for me for you.

If he blows me away, I'll give him props, but the guy needs to pull out something extraordinary to impress me at this point.

 

[ross 1]

I'm just saying how I feel, not telling you how you should feel. No problem.

Also, he came off really smarmy and calculating to me last Wednesday. I didn't feel the authenticity. I felt that with his hair down, his smile that was a bit too much and creepy, and also the song choice, he was trying to seduce me through the TV screen and I was like, dude, no. He came off to me as if he was accepting his "hearthrob" status and presenting himself as such.

I just wanted to add -- I didn't get this at all from him! Not even a little. I agreed with Simon, he came across honest, real, and sincere. But YMMV, I respect that.