Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

missaddicted

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A huge "Well said!!!" to all your post SleepinIn.

LLWD sounded absolutely awesome and Kris was indeed adorable on Ellen.

The GMA cancellation is like bad news for Adam if ABC/Disney don't want to work with him anymore, but at the same time, it keeps the drama alive. I think, at this point, it's almost too late to think it will ever be about the music. Well maybe not "ever", but it'll take a long time before it is.

ETA: iTunes is now downloading my Kris Allen pass, well the album from the pass. Thanks iTunes, but WTF?
 

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I guess I don't see anything wrong with actions having consequences. Is Adam an adult or a spoiled brat? It'd be great if we could all behave however we want, but, if my life doesn't work like that, I see no reason why his should. I really can't excuse him just because he's Adam. The way he's talked since then just doesn't work, for me. He's never to blame for anything.

I really wasn't apalled by anything except the mediocrity and tackiness of it all, but I understand how people could be offended. You have to respect your audience. Also, you have to know who your audience is. Eminem knows who his audience is. It isn't soccer moms and grandmas. Does Adam know who voted him to second place on AI? He should. If he doesn't, he's an idiot. If I know and you know, he should know.

The sad thing is even without the controversy, he sucked.

I wish the numbers were better, but what can you do, right?

With the amount of press Kris has gotten (none) I think he's doing pretty well.
Adam has his picture on the cover of EW this month (in a corner), his album got a full page review from them (B+), and as someone on mj's put it yesterday, if you threw a brick at Adam's ass you'd hit Rolling Stone in the face.

I have to say, I fully understand the press's fascination with Adam as the gayest and outest contestant ever, wearing makeup and weird clothes. But I don't understand why his album is always called "the most anticipated idol album ever," and he's called "one of the big guns" releasing a CD this fall. Who said so? Did the guy ever give any indication on Idol that he would put out a good album? Nobody could even figure out what kind of album he would put out.

The press wants to ignore that Kris won Idol. But he has a lot of fans, and they haven't forgotten. If Kris got the press buildup he'd have gotten if Adam Lambert never existed, I think his numbers would probably be higher. I mean, considering he's all but ignored, his numbers are good.

Also, first week sales are one thing, but don't always tell the whole story. They're big for people who are big. Kris is not big, especially considering his nonexistent or even negative press (negative toward him as an artist). I think he's not going to disappear. He's going to gain in popularity. When people come to know him as an artist who's reliably good, his reputation will grow. He has to put in the work, and he will. The album will sell respectably, and he's going to be a respected performer. I also have to wonder if he doesn't have another hit single or two that will help sell that album.
 

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Oh, I'm not excusing Adam at all. I hate that he's trying to blame anything and point fingers and I really lost respect for him over that. But ABC is also to blame in this mess, SleepinIn is right. If they didn't know what was going to happen if they let Adam perform like that, well, somebody didn't do their job somewhere.

The thing is, now that GMA cancelled, it's even more easy for Adam and his people and his fans and the media to say that Adam was a victim of discrimination. I wonder how he'll spin it tomorrow on the Early Show.

as someone on mj's put it yesterday, if you threw a brick at Adam's ass you'd hit Rolling Stone in the face.

LMAO. So true.
 

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Oh, I'm not excusing Adam at all. I hate that he's trying to blame anything and point fingers and I really lost respect for him over that. But ABC is also to blame in this mess, SleepinIn is right. If they didn't know what was going to happen if they let Adam perform like that, well, somebody didn't do their job somewhere.

I'm losing respect for him.

I don't know if I can blame ABC. He said himself that he did stuff on the spur of the moment. ABC cut some of this stuff for the west coast, so this seems to indicate they weren't happy with it and didn't approve it. The fact is he's responsible for his performance, and he doesn't seem to think anything was wrong with it.

(Also, one thing you have to remember is that GMA had a whole concert planned that he was going to do besides his on-air performance. Or so I understood it. There was a theatre booked for this peformance, right? Maybe it wasn't all about the broadcast.)

The new season of AI premieres in about seven weeks. Can you believe it?
 
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Also, you have to know who your audience is. Eminem knows who his audience is. It isn't soccer moms and grandmas. Does Adam know who voted him to second place on AI? He should. If he doesn't, he's an idiot. If I know and you know, he should know
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Yeah, this is a very good point. I thought about this today in regards to Oliver's performance on Idol when he came out in the hoodie. (so tame in retrospect, lol, and I really liked that one too) but I thought at the time that the reason that Oliver was voted out that week was due to him not knowing his voting audience. I think that it's also a case for Adam at the AMA's -- yes the AMA's had performances by artist's that were out there and also sexual, but they have the benefit of already being big stars. Adam, was on Idol, which gave him a big platform and a lot of airtime and a lot of press -- but he's a new artist. And you're right his audience is really a family audience. It's a weird juxtaposition.

Also, first week sales are one thing, but don't always tell the whole story. They're big for people who are big. Kris is not big, especially considering his nonexistent or even negative press (negative toward him as an artist). I think he's not going to disappear. He's going to gain in popularity. When people come to know him as an artist who's reliably good, his reputation will grow. He has to put in the work, and he will. The album will sell respectably, and he's going to be a respected performer. I also have to wonder if he doesn't have another hit single or two that will help sell that album.

Kris is just good. Full stop, and I agree with you despite his Idol win a lot of people just plain don't know that. People that didn't watch the show somehow think it was a fluke that he won. It wasn't, he earned it. He's had to put up with a lot of drama, re: textgate, The cover drama, I think he's just going to keep performing and winning fans along the way. Not a bad thing at all really.

ABC cut some of this stuff for the west coast, so this seems to indicate they weren't happy with it and didn't approve it.

Well, ABC also cut J-lo's fall -- lol. Yes, I don't think they were all that thrilled with it.. I mean this is ABC. But they had to know that Adam was going to be performing with people in bondage gear. And yes, Adam does have the responsibility for going OTT with it and going off script. But ABC pimped that performance hard, and they knew that they were going to be showing Adam dragging people around on a leash. So they were looking for shocking.. and they got it. Suddenly, they're telling their advertisers that they're shocked? I just don't believe it.

That's a nice interview with Kris from the Epoch Times. Too short of course. :)

Did you see Kris with Bonnie Hunt picture that he tweeted, so funny!
They sang a Christmas Song on the Bonnie Hunt show!!! New music.. I'm so excited.. lmao. "Chestnuts roasting on the open fires...."

and from the gala Kris performed at last night.. http://twitpic.com/qtxj8 at the Saban Free Clinic.

Wow a lot of really famous folk there.. including the author of our favourite song... NO BOUNDARIES!!! (run Kris, run!!! lol)
http://twitpic.com/photos/lanarushing

They look happy together though http://twitpic.com/qtpsl (I have to say besides the song.. Kara has been really nice to Kris)
 
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missaddicted

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I thought about this today in regards to Oliver's performance on Idol when he came out in the hoodie. (so tame in retrospect, lol, and I really liked that one too) but I thought at the time that the reason that Oliver was voted out that week was due to him not knowing his voting audience.

Oliver was eliminated two weeks after his infamous hoodie performance. But, yeah, I think that performance stayed in a lot of people's minds and he couldn't turn their opinions around after that.

Carrie said in an interview recently that she believed that the folks who had a bigger chance of succeeding after Idol were the ones who stayed true to what they did (or what they were) on the show, mostly. I can't say I disagree with her. As I've seen with David Cook, the Idol fanbase is really important because they want to be involved in the promotion of their Idol and they're really loyal. David hasn't been doing the Magic Rainbow on tour, but I think his transition from David Cook, the Idol to David Cook, the artist, is going pretty well. He's not doing anything to turn his back on his Idol audience, but he's slowly and surely showing his colors as the rock artist he really wants to be. I think he knows that he's got to keep his loyal fans with him for the next album, while gaining more and more casual fans, who could become die-hard fans. And Cook is a diplomat, he rarely puts his foot in his mouth like it seems to happen a lot for Adam.

I'm not sure Adam cares that much about his Idol fanbase. Maybe he believed a bit too much into the hype that he wouldn't need it. Bad news for him, he does need it, I'm sure of it.

So they did a Christmas song on the Bonnie Hunt show? Cute! Does that air tomorrow? I don't think it airs on any station that I have.

What's the Saban Free Clinic? Poor Kara's face is the same color as her dress. Oops! And Kris is really really white!

ross, if you ever want to buy Adam's album, you can have it for only 99 cents on Amazon US. LOL! 99 cents! It's actually 3,99$, but there is a code word to have a 3$ discount on any purchase that can be used. Are they going to start giving away albums now? I think even I would buy it for 99 cents. Good way to boost up the sales.

OH!! And Itunes pass!!! How weird is that??

I know!! Maybe they did something about my e-mail. Or maybe not. Whatever. I can't really complain though. I buy tons of music from iTunes and barely have any problems with them.
 

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It was just a joke, ross, about buying Adam's album. I know you have no intention of buying it. The 99 cents thing is still mind blowing!
 

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two weeks after his infamous hoodie performance

Oops! Lol.. off by a few weeks.

and I agree with you, Kris and David were who they were on the show, they are the same regardless of who interviews them.

I'm not sure Adam cares that much about his Idol fanbase. Maybe he believed a bit too much into the hype that he wouldn't need it. Bad news for him, he does need it, I'm sure of it.

I can't say I disagree. I think he was ready to lose a few fans.

I think the Bonnie Hunt thing airs on Monday. Yep, Christmas tune!

I wonder how much of an affect that Amazon thing will have on CD sales this week, and does that mean that they don't get their $0.09 /CD ? Would Kris make more money for selling a more expensive CD? Or would Adam get his $0.09 regardless. I wonder how the money is divided up??

Did you watch Jim's interview with Adam? They don't have the humour that Kris and Jim interviews have, but it's pretty good. They
both actually seem nervous, lol.


Ow, .. is right.

and you don't have to buy Adam's album, you can use the 3.00 for anything. (MP3's of Kris Allen perhaps???) :)
 

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Kris is just good. Full stop, and I agree with you despite his Idol win a lot of people just plain don't know that. People that didn't watch the show somehow think it was a fluke that he won. It wasn't, he earned it.

That's so well put. Besides, it's a show that's won on votes (not just one final night, either. Week after week. People forget that). So winning is never a fluke. Other than Adam (who I don't think is as good as Kris, YMMV), who in the Top 10 could hold a candle to Kris? Could Matt or Anoop or even Allison really have won?

What's funny now is that the press has forgotten completely about Danny Gokey, who many of them felt was the front runner and the potential winner. Nobody seems ever to wonder how Kris beat him. Or to be bothered by that.

What happens in the press here is that there are these runaway trends. It's like a free-for-all. People become press trends and you have no idea why. There's not much originality in the press, so they just copy. Adam is "supposed" to be the "one to watch" so he becomes that. Nobody questions it. Few people even pay attention to the artist or probably even listen to him/her.

I have to look at your links now.
 
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WHAT is this about selling Adam's CD for $.99? (Less than it costs to buy his single.) Or even $3.99? I don't get how album sales numbers can be considered real or accurate if albums are practically given away. Of course you know that Adam's fans are now going to buy 25 albums at a time, just to drive up his numbers. It's not right.
 
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Well, to be fair it's an Amazon promotion, a lot of albums are being priced at really low prices for the digital download. If you look at all the albums at the top on Amazon right now, they are all super cheap.

Amazon.com MP3 Downloads Bestsellers: The most popular items in MP3 Albums. Updated hourly.

I think the only one in the top 10 downloads at the moment that is over $5.00 is Susan Boyle. (Now she is seriously, kicking some ass)

Here's the link if you want $3.00 of someone not Adam

Amazon.com MP3 Downloads: Get $3 in MP3s on Us

So Adam's album is $3.99 and then there is a $3.00 coupon, which can be used on any digital download.
 

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I didn't know that. How has she been nice to him?

LOL, I don't know.. She tweeted at him to trick or treat at her house when Kris asked if he should go trick or treating? LOL Maybe I'm reaching for nice.. it was funny though.

Getty Images has an interview with Kris and they asked him who he was the most anxious to see at the AMA's -- funnily enough he agreed with us Missaddicted. He said he was excited to see Jay-Z and Alicia Keys and said they meshed really well together. Ha. Kris, how right you were they were totally the best of the night.

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/S...=2&language=en-US&p=Kris Allen&assetType=film
 
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Well, ABC also cut J-lo's fall -- lol. Yes, I don't think they were all that thrilled with it.. I mean this is ABC. But they had to know that Adam was going to be performing with people in bondage gear. And yes, Adam does have the responsibility for going OTT with it and going off script. But ABC pimped that performance hard, and they knew that they were going to be showing Adam dragging people around on a leash. So they were looking for shocking.. and they got it. Suddenly, they're telling their advertisers that they're shocked? I just don't believe it.

Well, obviously, everyone, including advertisers, can tell when a routine has been choreographed. But if Adam improvised the kiss with another guy and the shoving of the guy's face on his dick, then ABC can say they were shocked. Because they probably were. Surprised, anyhow. The other stuff -- people on leashes? It's stylized choreography. It can't compare to simulating a blow job. I mean. Seriously.
 
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LOL, I don't know.. She tweeted at him to trick or treat at her house when Kris asked if he should go trick or treating? LOL Maybe I'm reaching for nice.. it was funny though.

Oh, I didn't know that. Wow, you follow a lot of people. lol (Or did you read about that?)

They sang a Christmas Song on the Bonnie Hunt show!!! New music.. I'm so excited.. lmao. "Chestnuts roasting on the open fires...."

Did Kris sing it or did the whole band sing it? Just curious. Do you know? Anyhow, I guess that's nice. Did someone say this is what they went into the studio to record? (God, I hope not.)
 

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Oliver just never came across well on TV. He seemed weird. I don't think the buzz cut helped. I think he would have been eliminated even without the hoodie moment. It took me a long time to even get Oliver, and like him. It was after CI.
 

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From mj's blog:

Adam Lambert First Week, Possibly Above 200K

Tweeted by Billboard editor, Bill Werde @bwerde

"Susan Boyle’s album may beat this year’s top debut week, Eminem’s “Relapse,” which scanned 608,000.Adam lambert also tracking well, maybe above 200k; same for Gaga’s new EP."

Not too shabby. Maybe there is no such thing as bad publicity…

"Meanwhile, Adam Lambert’s “For Your Entertainment” is also outperforming sales expectations, despite—or perhaps because of—the risque performance he turned in at the American Music Awards on Sunday, Nov. 22. Label and distribution sources project that “For Your Entertainment” could sell about 225,000 units in its first week."