Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

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Well, it's just a gut reaction I didn't expect. Until I actually started watching the show again, I didn't realize how all this other stuff would affect my enjoyment of it.

I mean, I suppose it's because I can vote. And voted in the past. That plays a big part in how I feel. Kris being a dark horse, it mattered even more to vote him all the way. Now, when the show actually says it doesn't matter how I vote, that they have their favorites, regardless, well - the whole premise is absurd and I feel like I'd be wasting my time.

I couldn't get invested in another contestant. If I liked the person, it would always be in the back of my mind that it doesn't matter. Idol might just as well pick who they like, now, not even have a competition. Skip the rest of it - they probably already know who they want.

Strangely it was Rushfield's book that seemed like the final straw, even though he has nothing to do with the show. It just left me with the impression that there's a myth being constructed that's going to be hard to ever deconstruct. I mean, isn't anybody intelligent? Have they all drunk the Kool-Aid, now?

It's like The Emperor's New Clothes, to me. I watched the season. I'm not stupid. Kris always has at least one song in those "Top Idol performances of all time" lists for a reason. You can tell us you don't like how we voted but don't tell us we were wrong. That's a reflection on him and he doesn't deserve it. It's painful to see someone that good treated that way. Unfortunately I think they'll end up convincing a lot of people he sucks.
 
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Just a quick follow up...

I don't care a lot about the show, American Idol, so it's not like I'm hating on a show I ever liked to begin with. It didn't have very far to fall in my estimation. They've always been jerks, it's just that they've hit a new low for me personally.

That letter you linked to - I agree with some points, others are nitpicking. Anyhow, they're all things the fans noticed so they must be valid beefs. But I think Idol just sucks. In other words, they don't just suck towards Kris Allen. That's just a temporary development. Fundamentally, Idol is just going to suck. Wait your turn, if you're involved with them they will get to you, eventually. imho.

So anyway, I don't have a lot of incentive to watch but if I like someone and they're entertaining enough to make me forget the crap, who knows?

What did you think of the Lifetime interview? Pretty awesome, I thought.
 

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Maybe it's a result of never having an option to vote for AI, on top of the the fact that after Taylor won and they didn't promote him half as much as they promoted Chris (who I actually wanted to win) I figured they'd do what they wanted regardless of who won. I've always liked it, but you have to see the show for what it is. It's a gigantic unmovable object of a tv show. They're number one, and they have sponsorship deals with the largest mega corporations in the world. And unlike any other Idol show in the world AI isn't just popular in the US where you can vote it's popular all over the world. It's a giant commercial, it's practically almost an accident when they create and develop a person who's music you like.

Kris said something in the Lifetime interview (which I agree was AWESOME) which was great he said people think that you can either be a mega star or nothing, but that's not true you can make a living doing something you love. Kris's dream did come true. He played with Keith Urban, Maroon 5, Lifehouse, Barenaked Ladies -- I mean.. really. That's amazing. :)

I don't know yet if there's going to be someone who I like as much as I liked Kris, or someone who will entertain me for a season of a tv show. But, I hope there is. Maybe they'll even be 15! ;)

Don't vote, be zen with me. Whoever gets voted off, gets voted off. I enjoyed not following the Idol tour this year :) season 8 almost killed me with that stupid underwater tour. Frankly I'm kinda hoping I just like someone this year..not love them. LOL

Also.. the Lifetime interview.. :) :)

I wasn't sure what to make of that show (never having seen it) but the host did a really good job with that interview. THey did a lot of research, spent a lot of time and showed the Alright With Me Video

Lol - Kris. ."Girls hands will ..uh..wander.."
 

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Maybe it's a result of never having an option to vote for AI, on top of the the fact that after Taylor won and they didn't promote him half as much as they promoted Chris (who I actually wanted to win) I figured they'd do what they wanted regardless of who won.


I see your point, I guess, but I don't think it's the same when they didn't directly compete against each other. Daughtry was eliminated several weeks before the finale, and people didn't stay up to vote for four hours for Taylor Hicks against Chris Daughtry. It's a different emotional response.

I wasn't really talking about promoting, anyway, but, for example, say 19 promoted Allison over Danny, Adam, and Kris. That feels different because it's not "we like this one better than that one." When it's down to two, at the end, it's just different.

I'm not disagreeing with your point, because that wasn't your point, anyway.

But promo is not what I care about at this point. I was merely saying that I can't get into this show when they come out and talk sh*t. They devised this show, not me. See, I'm sorry but they can't have their cake and eat it, too. They want us to give them these big vote counts, then they tell us two years later they don't care how we voted. No, it doesn't work.
 

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I see your point and yet still I SQUEE (yes SQUEE!). Because they just played Kris's version of Falling Slowly. :)
 

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Oh, they threw us a crumb??

I can't watch on Thursday nights. Not home. If I watch, I'll have to record it. Squeeing is allowed but seldom encouraged. Use caution when squeeing. The management is not responsible for any injuries incurred during the aforementioned activity.

zen zen zen zzzzennnnn ZZZZZZZENNN!

Not sure it's working...

Oh, and last night's rocker chick who sang Come Together? Gave me new respect for Kris's abilities. Didn't think that was possible.
 

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Oh, they threw us a crumb??

Our Hearts are hungry for food that won't come
We could make a feast from these crumbs...

(seems to me there was a song about that once.. ;) ) (sorry couldn't resist, bad me, BAD)

Anyway tonight I liked the Ex's - Ex Boyfriend and Girlfriend who sang both together and apart for the judges and were really good. They got sent to Hollywood.. new boyfriend not impressed with this development, although he was trying to fake enthusiasim. Didn't work. I kind of want them to go to Hollywood so I can watch her new boyfriend's head explode. It's the small things.
 

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seems to me there was a song about that once..

I was kinda surprised said song was never mentioned in that interview this morning (and speaking of interviews, where's the one that kid said he would post two hours ago?)

I kind of want them to go to Hollywood so I can watch her new boyfriend's head explode. It's the small things.

LOL!!

I've always liked it, but you have to see the show for what it is. It's a gigantic unmovable object of a tv show. They're number one, and they have sponsorship deals with the largest mega corporations in the world. And unlike any other Idol show in the world AI isn't just popular in the US where you can vote it's popular all over the world. It's a giant commercial, it's practically almost an accident when they create and develop a person who's music you like.

Yeah, that's true. And a great point. But I'm not sure what you're telling me.

I guess it's a mystery to me why Nigel or Warwick have to make controversial statements - unless they're just looking for publicity. Not sure how it's beneficial to tell the majority of their viewers they voted wrong. Explain it to me if you can.

SleepinIn - I forgot if I mentioned this before, but on the Hedley album (The Show Must Go), there's a song called "I Do (Wanna Love You)." This is the second song on the disc. And it turns out this is actually "For The Nights I Can't Remember," with a different title. Is this on the Canadian CD? Wasn't it on the second album?
 

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But I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me

I don't really know either.. Sometimes I babble. I'm sure it was an important point though & I don't think it is beneficial for them to do that. never have.

they renamed FTNICR? I didn't know that! I love that song. wonder if that means they're going to try to release it again in the US? IDWLY as a title gives the song a different meaning almost, doesn't it? and yes it was on the last album (I think).
 

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Didn't work. I kind of want them to go to Hollywood so I can watch her new boyfriend's head explode. It's the small things.

Hee! New Boyfriend looked totally pissed. They were also my two favorites of the evening (I just finished watching, LOL).

The OMG! 15! at the end was good, but I just don't see how she won't get boring/annoying after a number of weeks.

I guess I still like the concept of the show and that's what keeps me coming back for more. Giving singers a chance in the music industry. Seeing dreams come true on the TV screen. Pretty powerful stuff. I don't see myself getting really involved in the show this year, I can't even watch it live, I only wish it to be good entertainment.
 

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I don't really know either.. Sometimes I babble. I'm sure it was an important point though & I don't think it is beneficial for them to do that. never have
You don't babble! I was just curious what you meant to tell me. Maybe that Idol is so BIG that the right hand doesn't always know what the left hand is doing? Now you need to ask me what I'm talking about. lol Well, you know - I think Idol is just screwed up.

they renamed FTNICR? I didn't know that! I love that song. wonder if that means they're going to try to release it again in the US? IDWLY as a title gives the song a different meaning almost, doesn't it? and yes it was on the last album (I think).
I just realized that there are no lyrics in that song that contain the phrase, "For the nights I can't remember." Maybe they renamed it because they do intend releasing it as a single here. I guess in Canada Hedley could probably get away, more, with releasing a song with a title that doesn't contain any lyrics. But here where they're just starting out that might be bad marketing. People would have a hard time remembering the title when they wanted to order it. I'm not sure calling it I Do (Wanna Love You) really solves that problem, either...
 

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I guess I still like the concept of the show and that's what keeps me coming back for more. Giving singers a chance in the music industry. Seeing dreams come true on the TV screen. Pretty powerful stuff. I don't see myself getting really involved in the show this year, I can't even watch it live, I only wish it to be good entertainment.

Okay, we all are watching at the moment, anyhow. Long live our thread! (I'd put in some partying smilies here if there were any. :()

So far I kind of liked two people, the tall kid with the glasses and the shorts, and the 16 year old that sang Jason Mraz, from New York. As for girls, I don't know why, but I always have a very hard time deciding if I like a girls's voice from a 10 -second clip. Mostly I'm disappointed we never seem to get a honey-voiced girl. If you know what I mean. And I have no idea if you know what I mean.

I don't want to go back to 1950 for an example, but ...

YouTube - Doris Day "The Very Thought of You"

Honey-voiced. <3 <3 <3 <3

I don't like tough-voiced girl singers a lot. Don't attack the song. And I don't need Jennifer Hudson wailage. I like vulnerability. But not without some maturity and humor. Well, you know what I like by now.
 

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The OMG! 15! at the end was good, but I just don't see how she won't get boring/annoying after a number of weeks.

I wondered about that too. Plus, she's kinda perky. Perky 15!'s are extra annoying, she's definitely one to watch though.

You don't babble! I was just curious what you meant to tell me. Maybe that Idol is so BIG that the right hand doesn't always know what the left hand is doing? Now you need to ask me what I'm talking about. lol Well, you know - I think Idol is just screwed up.

Hmm, let me try to wrangle my thoughts again.. Maybe that it's so big, that the show and the business aspect of the show are only really peripherally interested in the singers. They've got deals with Coke, Ford, Universal etc, etc and the singers are only the vehicle that facilitate that. Does that makes any sense? So when the show's over, it's over. And they'll try to do what they can for the former singers, but it's not really what they're interested in.

So far I kind of liked two people, the tall kid with the glasses and the shorts

I liked him too :)

I just realized that there are no lyrics in that song that contain the phrase, "For the nights I can't remember."

It's in there! Here's the version from the Live album 2:47 "For the Nights I can't remember..."

YouTube - For The Nights I Can't Remember Hedley-Go With The Show (live)

I Do Wanna love you is actually a more prominent lyric so if they release it makes more sense. BUT - I kinda like the I suck but I do wanna love you aspect of the song title. Rather than the.. yeah, I wanna love you.
 

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It's in there! Here's the version from the Live album 2:47 "For the Nights I can't remember..."

Oh, wow - thanks! - so it is. :)

Hey, maybe they had to rename it because the song was already on the album they released in the States? (On a different label.) I don't know. Maybe we should ask Jacob - if we ever see him again. He never calls any more.

YouTube - Zack Tremblay vLog Exclusive Kris Allen Interview

Hmm, let me try to wrangle my thoughts again.. Maybe that it's so big, that the show and the business aspect of the show are only really peripherally interested in the singers. They've got deals with Coke, Ford, Universal etc, etc and the singers are only the vehicle that facilitate that. Does that makes any sense?

Right! Commercial TV only exists to sell things. Movies and music are sold directly to people, but sponsored TV is just there to get people to watch the commercials and buy stuff.

YouTube - Kris Allen Ford Commercial Jan. 12, 2010

(I guess Ford thought America got it right? Maybe they should tell Ken.)

So I know what you mean, but last season proved the singers are the whole show. Idol was complacent - they probably thought: bodies show up and make noises and people vote and it's a hit. Every time. Well, it wasn't, last time. So they're running scared and blaming everyone for their own blunders. Even the voters, who supposedly buy the Coke, and the Fords. They're sweating just a bit.

This is such a nice address.


The beach is so soothing after a long day.


It would be a shame to pull the kids out of school just as they've started to make friends with all the right people.


Those expensive cigars would have to go, too...


Not to mention the Hummer...and the dinners at Arnold and Maria's...


I'm listening to that blog radio/UNLEASHED show. Kris couldn't make the interview - his Hawaii flight was delayed and he's apparently in the air right now. The host (David Alan) is being kind of jerky about it. He's playing AWM right now. The sound quality isn't great - it sounds like AM radio. Now playing Red Guitar. Now LLWD. Same thing.

So Kris plans to have his album out by summer. Is he going to write with anybody? Doesn't seem like it, does it?
 
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The chat mostly. A few random folk saying that Kris's people were lying about not being in Hawaii etc. etc. Like honestly.
 

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The host guy said something like, "Maybe he's afraid of the questions we ask." A flight was delayed. That's all there is.
 

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YorkRegion Article: Vaughan resident has golden idea

^I think four year olds should be able to audition for American Idol. Why has nobody thought of that, yet?

David Cook: New Album, New Confidence - American Idol, David Cook, Kelly Clarkson : People.com

^David Cook - People.

Listening to Jason Castro's CD. It's really good. His voice is not one of my faves, you know*, but I like the songs, and I really like the emotion. The production seems great. He had a long time to work on it. So far, none of the songs on it are anything like the single, Let's Just Fall In Love Again. There are a lot of lovely songs. One is with Serena Ryder. His personality comes through a lot. Well, actually, I don't really know anything about his personality - what I guess I mean is: he sings with a lot of personality.

There are only eight songs on the album so it's over already. It's perfect in its way.

*I got more used to it as the CD went on.


Guy listening to The Truth in Sri Lanka. lol adrian de'silva (adrianonfire) on Twitter

The Truth seems to be getting international exposure - making me want to write about something that's been on my mind a while. Basically it's about Kris but it could be about any Idol or artist. Maybe because of Kris's licensing agreement with Universal, his music is making money for him in a lot of places. For example, Red Guitar in stores (and Alright With Me, and other songs), AWM on the Ford commercials last season. IKTK on The Vampire Diaries. And The Truth getting played in Brazil and the Philipines and other places (BWCU in the Philippines, also). Creative marketing.

Another example: @silentMacaroni: Kris Allen's version of Heartless now playing at Cosmopolitan Cafe in TriBeCa.

I want to go there now. lol Cosmopolitan Café - Tribeca - New York Magazine Restaurant Guide

Okay, I guess that paragraph was only about Kris Allen. But, as I said, it could just as easily be about any artist. No really. ANY ARTIST, I tell ya. I'm pathetic.
 
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