Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

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Yeah, I saw that (textbook), that was funny.

YouTube - Glambert fans after Atlanta Adam Lambert concert 09-14-10

(Interviewed by Rodney Ho, Atlanta Journal-Constitution.)

Something Bout Love is a pretty catchy tune. Once I listened to it, I couldn't get it out of my head for a while. I'm not a fan of Archie's singing style, which is so lacking in nuance - this kind of song suits his style, though. I'm not sure what Archie has to offer pop radio at the moment, though. When he was the Idol runner up, he had that. Now he has to make it without that.

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[SleepinIn]

Elvis - that`s who my Dad always says when he sees or hears Adam. `You know.. he really reminds me of Elvis` (every time - without fail) `He could play Elvis in a movie`

 

[CapsuleNeo]

Archie has the unfortunate position of naturally losing a teen fanbase, as happens to every teen Idol. Justin Bieber come onto the scene while he was away and Bieber is stealing away a good chunk of his young fanbase. The fact that he hasn't had a pop radio hit in almost 2 years doesn't help him either. "Elevator" just doesn't show Archie evolving to me. It sounds vanilla plain and it doesn't sound like something that would catch people's attention instantly.

Also Kris' second single flopped in US. I don't even know it was released to Canadian radio stations. Idols at Jive are not doing great lately. Jordin had no successful follow-up singles after Battlefield and Allison's singles did pretty bad. It's not like they are album-selling artists either. It will interesting to see how Jive market Crystal.

It seems like Adam's IIHY is doing well on top40 radio because the song is appealing to young audience. On youtube, you can find a variety of videos of teens singing and acting out the song. It'll be considered a decent hit for him regardless of where it winds up peaking on radio chart.

 

[SleepinIn]

HA! I love that Kalan. That`s the Kalan I kinda fell for on Twitter, and had no idea existed through his music. (well, except for the Hooray video which was hilarious - and I loved the song too) I`ve always really loved his voice - I was just never excited about the music, and I wanted to be.

He recently posted that he`s gong to LA to write - so I was really excited to hear that.

When you think about the kids that go through Idol like Archie, and Kalan, and Jordan and Allison.. they`re just so young. So much potential is held in their hands. They have great voices, it`s all a matter of making the right decisions.

Also Kris' second single flopped in US. I don't even know it was released to Canadian radio stations. Idols at Jive are not doing great lately. Jordin had no successful follow-up singles after Battlefield and Allison's singles did pretty bad. It's not like they are album-selling artists either. It will interesting to see how Jive market Crystal.

LOL - I was talked out of throwing myself on the fire recently in regards to Kris`s single. So I`m going with that for another little while. At least for the US. It was definitely released to the Canadian market, but it doesn`t look like anyone really bit. But without a scrap of promo in Canada I don`t know what else they could have expected. They didn`t even do interviews with Kris here. Which as you might have guessed I have found really frustrating. I blame that on making sure that Adam had a big splash in Canada. (whether or not I`m right or not I don`t know, but that`s what I suspect)

But yeah, Jive is making me break out in hives. I don`t know how they`re going to market Crystal, I think she`s a great singer, but I just don`t see her style on the radio at the moment. Plus she seems like she`s clashing a bit with jive already.

I think Jordan and Archie both have bigger followings - they definitely have higher media profiles. But radio .. it`s going to be hard.

But then for anyone, you`re only as good as your latest hit, right. They`re not alone in that, bands and singers that have been around for years sometimes have really hard times getting airplay.

 

[missaddicted]

Kalan is a hoot. I hope things work out in the end for him.

But yeah, Jive is making me break out in hives. I don`t know how they`re going to market Crystal, I think she`s a great singer, but I just don`t see her style on the radio at the moment. Plus she seems like she`s clashing a bit with jive already.

Yes, I'm already getting the popcorn out for that. If Jive has trouble marketing teen-pop artists Jordin and Archie (and Allison), and Mr. Super-Kris, I'm really really curious to see what'll happen with Crystal. I'm not optimistic though. Lee also has a really low profile. I don't follow him closely, but the last two years with David and Kris (and you know, the other one :wink, it seemed like they were present in the media in the weeks preceeding the release of their singles. Lee? Not so much. Also, it seems Lee is not even ready to release a single yet.

I listen to top 40 radio like an hour a day during the week (mainly because I like the host) and inevitably, 3 or 4 days out of 5, I hear Adam's IIHY. Surprisingly, it's not bugging me too much, even though it's pure pop-dance useless fluff. And this morning, I heard FYE. They love him.

 

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I don't necessarily think Bieber is stealing Archie's fanbase. I think people can be fans of more than one person.

This was posted before, but it's Kris introducing David Archuleta doing a show in Louisville, KY. Obviously David has a lot of teen fans.

YouTube - Kris Allen Introduces David Archuleta & Something 'Bout Love (8-22-10)

I don't mean to contradict everything that was stated. I just don't think Archie's single not doing well on radio has a lot to do with him having lost his teen fanbase. After all, how many times can people request a song? There have to be other things at play. I don't know what. Radio has to want to play the song.

The Truth has been 16 weeks on Billboard's Adult Pop chart. It's currently #19. Last week it was #16 (peak position). It's a disappointing run for this song but I would say Archie's song is more of a flop, or Adam's FYE (in the US), since these really didn't chart.

Overall I'm not that into discussing numbers and charts, to be honest. Rather talk about music or concerts or whatever.

Elvis - that`s who my Dad always says when he sees or hears Adam. :wink: `You know.. he really reminds me of Elvis` (every time - without fail) `He could play Elvis in a movie`

My mother always says, "Oh, my God. Is that a man? He looks just like a girl."

Today Kris and Cale boarded a plane (or was it yesterday?) and it turned out they went to San Francisco to entertain at a Northern California broadcasters' converntion, or something like that.

What I think is funny (in a weird way) is how some of the fans seemed not to be able to rest until they found out exactly why Kris and Cale were getting on a plane. Then when they found out, one of the bigger fans complained that Kris needs to give out more information and not keep so much to himself.

I'm mainly a fan of the music and the performances, interviews, etc. - whatever the performer chooses to share with me, in other words. But if he gets on a plane and is going somewhere, I don't feel he needs to share that with me. It's not entertainment, and it's none of my business what he's doing or where he's going - and I'm not all that interested. If it's something that's for his fans to know, he'll share it. If not, I won't be crushed.

In other words there's a lot about fandom I don't get. It shouldn't be about stalking a person's every move.

 

[CapsuleNeo]

Tweens are fickle. Lots of young girls who were crazy about the Jonas Brothers are now crazy about Justin Bieber(no wonder Nick's solo project flopped badly) . And then when the next tween idol comes along, they'll be into him.

LOL - I was talked out of throwing myself on the fire recently in regards to Kris`s single. So I`m going with that for another little while. At least for the US. It was definitely released to the Canadian market, but it doesn`t look like anyone really bit. But without a scrap of promo in Canada I don`t know what else they could have expected. They didn`t even do interviews with Kris here. Which as you might have guessed I have found really frustrating. I blame that on making sure that Adam had a big splash in Canada. (whether or not I`m right or not I don`t know, but that`s what I suspect)

Kris and Adam were on different record labels. It's Jive's job to promote Kris here. I don't think having buzz in the media does matter in the real world. Kris's first single proved that with the right song, you can have a big hit. On the other hand, Christina Aguilera is a proof that no matter how much buzz you have, your singles can still flop hard. I feel that Kris's problem in Canada is lack of confidence on label's side or lack of enthusiasm on the radio's side.

 

[SleepinIn]

If Jive has trouble marketing teen-pop artists Jordin and Archie (and Allison), and Mr. Super-Kris, I'm really really curious to see what'll happen with Crystal.

I know, right? She's never seemed particularly excited about working with Jive, and I almost think it's only a matter of time before things blow up between them, unless they come to some kind of middle ground.

I feel that Kris's problem in Canada is lack of confidence on label's side or lack of enthusiasm on the radio's side.

Probably both, right? I look at Jive as this really cautious label where Kris is concerned. Maybe they have a reason to be I don't know, but it seems like if they reached out more, then there would be someone that would be reaching back. Maybe it's a matter of them wanting it to be the right person/radio station/media outlet reaching back.

And they've been the same way with Archie, Jordan and Allison. Although certainly Archie I think of the three has had the most visible support from the label. And he has come to Canada. Jordan.. I don't have any idea about, (never really followed her much)

I know Adam and Kris are on different label's (and this is really all my opinion and pure speculation really - LOL ) but RCA/19 did so much pushing of Adam in Canada just after the AMA's when FYE wasn't getting any traction on US radio. RCA had Adam come up and he did a media tour, he really did charm the press. And I think it was a brilliant strategy. But at the same time as they pushed Adam so hard, there was a real lack of push re: Kris which was really strange. CHUM the radio station (and media conglomerate) that practically bathes in Idol, never played Kris, never added LLWD to their playlists when it was climbing the charts in the US, and never added the video to Much Music's website. It was just strange IMO. Not their typical behaviour at all. (although certainly No Boundaries being single #1 didn't help)

Tweens are fickle. Lots of young girls who were crazy about the Jonas Brothers are now crazy about Justin Bieber(no wonder Nick's solo project flopped badly) . And then when the next tween idol comes along, they'll be into him.

True there's always someone new right? It's only a matter of time, what they swooned over and screamed for will become the thing they make fun of each other for liking. Until the reunion shows in 10 years..

 

[CapsuleNeo]

I know Adam and Kris are on different label's (and this is really all my opinion and pure speculation really - LOL ) but RCA/19 did so much pushing of Adam in Canada just after the AMA's when FYE wasn't getting any traction on US radio. RCA had Adam come up and he did a media tour, he really did charm the press. And I think it was a brilliant strategy. But at the same time as they pushed Adam so hard, there was a real lack of push re: Kris which was really strange. CHUM the radio station (and media conglomerate) that practically bathes in Idol, never played Kris, never added LLWD to their playlists when it was climbing the charts in the US, and never added the video to Much Music's website. It was just strange IMO. Not their typical behaviour at all. (although certainly No Boundaries being single #1 didn't help).

OK I did a quick search and found out that Adame did a press tour in Canada in late January. Adam Lambert’s Media Blitz in Toronto! Randomize ME
It doesn't appear that RCA did so much pushing of Adam here just after the AMA's. Anyway, I don't believe that 19E are forcing Canadian radio stations not to play Kris's music. It's just not realistic to me. It's like saying US radio stations didn't play Allison's singles because Jive/19E wanted to push Kris's :-?

 

[missaddicted]

I think Adam was really a special case in Canada. RCA never pushed David Cook that much either in Canada. I guess his songs played on radio in Toronto and stuff? They certainly weren't on the radio here, not like Adam's songs anyway. At least, David came to Canada to do some shows. He never did a promo tour in Canada either, going to Much Music, etc.

And he has come to Canada. Jordan.. I don't have any idea about, (never really followed her much)

She actually performed on CI during season 6. That's pretty much all I know. So I guess she did have some promotion in Canada. I think she was opening for Alicia Keys at one time, I think that's the only time she came to Montréal. Well, at least, she came, contrary to Kris.

I'm still kinda pissed about Kris' tour(s). I mean, I'm ready to travel to a certain distance to see a show, but not really if Kris is opening for a band I really don't care about and if I have to pay a fortune to buy a ticket. Youtubes are cool and all that, but I don't always have time to watch that and it just reminds me that I'll probably have no opportunity to see him live for who knows how much time. Just because someone dropped the ball on his promotion here? It's frustrating.

Oh and I can't even be shocked with what's happening with The Truth. Regardless of my dislike for the song, I just never expected this song to be a hit. I always thought it would be "Come Back To Me" #2. And that's pretty much what's happening. And even then, it still has a way to go. I just checked and CBTM was added to the playlist of 177 stations and The Truth was added on 105 stations so far.

 

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It doesn't appear that RCA did so much pushing of Adam here just after the AMA's.

I think if you read back on this forum you'll see that they did, because I think it was talked about here. Adam's video for FYE was pushed on MOD, wasn't it? And the song got a lot of radio play. Isn't that what you were talking about, SleepinIn? Also, Adam played a couple of casinos in British Columbia - these were before he played any dates in the US, if I'm not mistaken. Why did they choose to go to Canada for those shows? (I could be wrong about the dates, but I thought they were prior to the press tour he did).

It's worthwhile to go back and check out some of SleepinIn's theories about Adam being "sold" to MOD in exchange for an appearance at the MMVAs.

I wish I had more time to post, now, but being American, and looking at it realistically, and not to offend anybody, but I don't think that, financially, the US record companies are looking all that much to Canada as a big, profitable market, and a lot of the time they save their money and don't market an artist there. Or, maybe they do, in economical, rather than all-out ways. The problem might be that
it may cost them a lot to market the artist to a reltively small record-buying population, relative to the US market. It just might not be cost-effective. I think this is the reason Kris and Cook have not had a big push, there. It may also be that, with the first single, the record company wants to concentrate heavily on having a hit in the US, and spreading out to other markets at that time may actually weaken the single's chances in the US. I don't think Jive was interested in LLWD being a hit in Canada - they wanted a big hit in the US, and they achieved it.

As for Adam, I can only speculate, but it seems to be that RCA was smart, figuring they would conquer a smaller market first, because Adam was experiencing some controversy, and his first song released (TFM - not a single - but perhaps a "feeler") didn't take off, despite many predictions it would. Adam was not doing all that well, at first. Also, with the song FYE dead in the water, in the US, they seemed to find a market for it in Canada.

Since the Idols tour it was clear that Adam was somehow especially popular in Canada - the press really ignored everyone else -ignored Kris much more than the US press - The Toronto Star only interviewed Adam, for example. So I think RCA or 19 or whoever it is, recognized this early and used it.

 

[missaddicted]

What you're saying makes perfect sense, ross. But, it doesn't make it any less frustrating as a fan. And Canada is so much connected to what happens across the border that it's probably not that hard to give the small push for a song or an artist to become popular here. It's not like we're in France or something.

Live music is one of my favorite things ever. When an artist I like never comes near where I live, well it makes me start to like the artist less and less. It's not because I'm holding grudges, it's because seeing an artist or a band live usually makes me fall in love all over again with them. I'm missing this with Kris. "Out of sight, out of mind" is what they say.

Also, cities like Montréal, Vancouver and Toronto are among the biggest cities in North America. In my experience, Montréal is an obligatory stop for a LOT of bands and artists who are touring. So, it is frustrating when an artist that I like doesn't come here.

 

[SleepinIn]

It's worthwhile to go back and check out some of SleepinIn's theories about Adam being "sold" to MOD in exchange for an appearance at the MMVAs.

Ha! Well, I have all kinds of theories. Doesn't mean they're correct. But it actually doesn't only apply to Adam - RCA did the exact same thing for Adam that they did for Kesha, the very next week. As soon as they made the big push for them, and it was a big push - because MOD not only played the video every day - which is understandable - people were voting on it, but used Adam (and Kesha too) in a lot of promo for the station. They played clips of Adam and Kesha during their Olympics coverage doing bits, had special episodes etc.

But, it's sort of a game I play every year with myself to see who they will have play at the MMVA's. Because for the months leading up to the MMVA they play those artists A LOT. I'm not saying though that what they did was in any way wrong on either side. It's the label's job afterall to get promo for Adam and it's the station's job to get artists that people are talking about.

I don't believe that 19E are forcing Canadian radio stations not to play Kris's music. It's just not realistic to me. It's like saying US radio stations didn't play Allison's singles because Jive/19E wanted to push Kris's

No, you're right. I wouldn't say that either. It's a demand thing, in that there isn't that demand for Kris's music on a large scale here. (I mean as much as I whine about it, and request, I'm only one person). Doing press here - even as much as a phoner - would've helped with that though.

But yeah, Ross you're right, too I think they concentrated on the US market and it worked for LLWD. I don't think it was a request not to play Kris so much as not pushing the promo as far as they could have, and that's Jive/19's fault.

LOL - I just find it frustrating.

 

[SleepinIn]

Looks like a happening place..

Kaiserslautern - Kazabra Club

8O

 

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Live music is one of my favorite things ever. When an artist I like never comes near where I live, well it makes me start to like the artist less and less. It's not because I'm holding grudges, it's because seeing an artist or a band live usually makes me fall in love all over again with them. I'm missing this with Kris. "Out of sight, out of mind" is what they say.

Yeah, I can understand that. And with Kris I think you should see him live at some point because there's a special quality that probably doesn't come across on YouTube or TV as much, though it comes across, of course, or you wouldn't like him. It's just stronger in person. That's a personality thing, but his music is of course better live too. It's too bad your interest would wane because you can't see him in person. It's all economics, really. Not much he can do about it. I'd like to see some of the Canadian idols live but I think my chances of that are much less than your chances of ever seeing Kris live (unless I go there). Hedley, it may happen, though.

Also, cities like Montréal, Vancouver and Toronto are among the biggest cities in North America. In my experience, Montréal is an obligatory stop for a LOT of bands and artists who are touring. So, it is frustrating when an artist that I like doesn't come here.

I can understand that. I guess since he's about to tour with Lifehouse, this time at least it's Lifehouse's fault for not going to Canada. At least they're going to Seattle, so I guess people from Vancouver can go if they want to.

If Kris was not opening for Keith Urban, for example, would you have gone to Vermont to see him? It's about 75 miles to Burlington. (The show was ridiculously expensive, though.)

Looks like a happening place..

Kaiserslautern - Kazabra Club

I was reading an interview from not very long ago, with Kris, where he was asked about playing for the troops. Presumably in Afghanistan. He replied that it was scary, but if they can go there for us, he can go there and play for them. That says pretty clearly he thought he was going there. Or, rather, I got the impression at the time that either he would go there, or he wouldn't go anywhere. I didn't think he'd be playing rec halls in Germany. The Kazabra Club ( 8O ), or whatever. In between karaoke night and...the next karaoke night.

I'm guessing Afghanistan couldn't be fit in, due to his Lifehouse tour. I hope that's it. Because this other thing...wasn't what I had in mind at all. I wouldn't want to think he was somehow rejected for the front line gig.

I also don't get how Kris seems to be playing these small places. I think he could play to more people. These are free shows, after all.

Of course, if you're in Germany or Holland, it's a completely different situation from Afghanistan. The servicemen and women there can go into town, to bars, theatres, concerts, whatever. Maybe a visit from Kris is a big deal, and maybe it isn't. The troops in Afghanistan are more or less dependent on what comes to them. I would say they'd be a more appreciative audience because the entertainers are coming to them, and because they need the escapism more.

 

[missaddicted]

It's too bad your interest would wane because you can't see him in person.

Yes, I know it sucks, but that's the way it works for me. I was a huge Hanson fan before. The last time they came to Montréal was in 2000. Since then, my interest has been decreasing. I don't listen much to their last album. I'm still a fan and I continue to buy their music, but it's not as it was before. As you know, I had a ticket to see them this summer near Boston, but then couldn't go. And I wasn't even that sad about it. And they're going to be in Burlington in November. I thought about going, but meh. I'm sure if I saw them live, I would gain a renewed appreciation for them. But it's not happening.

I can understand that. I guess since he's about to tour with Lifehouse, this time at least it's Lifehouse's fault for not going to Canada.

For sure, but it's still Kris' management's fault that they didn't book him to do some shows in Canada. Tomorrow night, there's a guy I kind of like who's opening for Milow in Montréal (Milow is a singer from Belgium, but he sings in English. He did a cover of Ayo Technology that was really popular here). It's Matt Morris. He's not really well known, certainly less than Kris, either in the States or in Canada, and he's only opening for Milow for some shows in Canada. So tomorrow, he'll be playing in front of like 2000 people who probably don't know him. (I considered going, but Milow bores me and I don't like Matt enough to go.) And he's doing like 6 shows with Milow in Canada and that's it, it's not really long. In conclusion, I believe that lots of scenarios are possible with a bit of imagination. What if Kris had opened for that guy for 6 shows in Canada? Doesn't seem like much trouble to me.

If Kris was not opening for Keith Urban, for example, would you have gone to Vermont to see him? It's about 75 miles to Burlington. (The show was ridiculously expensive, though.)

Yes. I did it for Cook last year, and it was an even longer drive (and I had seen him a week before, LOL, but to my defense, I had bought my ticket to the ghetto Albany show before the Montréal date was announced). The thing is, I don't have a car, so I had to rent one, which is not cheap at all. And with Cook show, I also had a place to stay the night. Also, Cook was the headliner and I'm also a fan of Ryan Star, who was opening for him that night. And the show was 30$. But, considering that I have absolutely no desire to see Keith Urban (as good and nice as he is) live, that the show was in this huge amphitheater and that the tickets were super expensive, pretty much everything was a turn off.

 

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What if Kris had opened for that guy for 6 shows in Canada? Doesn't seem like much trouble to me.

Well, I don't see that happening. So far, he hasn't really opened for anyone other than famous acts. If he opened for someone I never heard of, I'd have to scratch my head. I think he'd be more likely to play solo gigs in clubs, or else open for the equivalent of a Lifehouse type of band - or a bigger act, like Maroon 5.

What I think is, Kris is not making it that hugely in the US, yet. He's a US artist, and he's probably just not even secure enough here, yet, so they want to concentrate on getting him all the exposure they can, here. I mean, as has been stated, he's not that popular in Canada. So it makes sense that he performs where he's the most popular, for now, and where it can do his career the most good. Maybe if he was on radio and MOD and all the rest of it, there, it would make more sense to capitalize on that and have him tour. I mean, even Adam, who has had all that support, hasn't been there all that much, considering.

I think it's a case of, if he ends up doing well here, then he'll branch out.

 

[SleepinIn]

Yeah, I don't think this USO tour was what Kris expected either, but it is what it is, and they're at the end of the day doing something nice for service people. So I think ultimately it's fine. Now playing that club... 8O - LOL!

Adam had an altercation with a paparazzi guy today. Guy was being super annoying so Adam clobbered him. LOL. :glasses7: The pictures are hilarious. I would hate to have that kind of scrutiny in my life though, it would be really awful. So go get him Adam.

 

[missaddicted]

It was just an example I was giving. And Milow is pretty much only popular in Québec, (in North America) so it's not surprising that you haven't heard of him. He's a big star in Europe. He's headlining the Métropolis tomorrow night, which is a pretty big venue (capacity of 2300 people). It's the same venue that Lifehouse played in the last time they came here a couple of years ago.

Milow (singer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the point I was trying to make is that even if someone is trying to concentrate their efforts in the US, like Matt Morris is probably doing, it doesn't prevent them from coming for a week in Canada to do some shows.

 

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I assume you guys have seen this. Just another step on the road to becoming a tabloid-made celebrity. I strongly suspect this was staged.

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