I've watched American Idol since season 4 and my faves contestants were/are Bo Bice, Elliott Yamin, Jordin Sparks, David Cook, David Archuleta, Adam Lambert, Anoop Desai, Crystal Bowersox, Alex Lambert. I like a great variety of music. I watched Canadian Idol but I prefer American Idol TBH.
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Truthfully, I think I like both Crystal and Lee being themselves. I hope that the albums they put out are able to reflect that. It just seems like it's always such a battle with the label. I wonder if them being the last of the Sony Idol's will make much of a difference.
Ugh to VH1 removing the Truth, but I hope you're right and it means another single. I don't know whether or not to get my hopes up at this point But it seems silly not to have a single out there when the Lifehouse tour is coming up. Stranger things have happened though.
I absolutely loved the KAB post - both parts.
It was awesome, I really love those guys. I'm really looking forward to them playing again at the Miami thing, just because it's sort of full circle for them.BTW Local radio station is still playing the Truth, but has started playing the album version. Sweet!
hee - Kris knows his friend so well.
charlesbrowder - Not sure what just happened... - TwitVid
Yeah, it probably won't happen. Mainly what I was getting at is that I think that opportunities could have been there for Kris to tour in Canada. So I don't think it's because there were absolutely no possibility for Kris to come here... I just think they chose not to look at these possibilities. I'm not sure I'm making sense, but anyway, it is what it is.
I am so not getting my hopes up for that, honestly... you're probably not surprised to hear me say that though.
I'm not sure what that was all about, LOL.
Nope not surprised. I'm sitting with you on this one though.
I follow Jann Arden on Twitter (kinda love her, but I don't know the song she's tweeting about) but it's not just new acts that have radio issues. She tweeted Virgin radio to play her new single.
Twitter / jann arden: Come on Virgin radio!!! AD ...
There was football involved. Kris is dressed in red.
What do you mean? (Still not getting it.)
Interesting. I don't think Kris need have had "radio issues." We all know it was moronic to release The Truth as the second single (though I now have come to like it as a song, and Kris's vocal - it was still a bad choice). And putting Pat Monahan on it was an insult to the fans, and the audience in general. If there's going to be a duet, or a bit of singing by the composer, or whatever, it has to help the song itself, not just be a cynical, "let's add another name to the song to sell it" thing.
This is more true of Kris than some others. His fans are more discriminating than some others - in my opinion, this is one reason they're his fans; they like an artist of his organic type, and may not be your standard-issue pop fans. So this move didn't sit well with them. And on a musical level, it wrecked the song, because a song is a story, and Kris is one of the better singer-storytellers. When he got to the high dramatic point of his story, someone else took it over. With another singer, this may not have even mattered, but with Kris it did matter because it's not just pop drivel, he's singing from the heart and he involves you in the song. All in all, Jive showed very little understanding of who he is as an artist, who his fans are, what they want, and what best puts Kris over on the radio to a wide audience. Epic fail.
(I've said a lot of this before.)
As for the song being pulled from VH1, I don't know how this stuff works. I never paid any attention to it before. The only example I have is Adam's FYE being pulled, and his label put out another single right away. I don't know what wil happen, with Kris. I'm more hopeful than missaddicted, but I really don't have a clue.
Thanks! I myself prefer Canadian Idol. The reason I started this thread was because it was cancelled, and some of us who had posted about it on another blog decided to watch AI together. I've never really warmed up to AI, to be honest. On your list, I mainly like Cook, Anoop, and Alex. Though I didn't really like too much Anoop did on the show, I always liked him, and he was really good when I saw him live (Idols concert).
It's cool you're an Adam fan, since it's nice to have a little different viewpoint here.
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In the video Kris said to Charles that Charles was going to post it on twitter right away - which he did.
Yeah, I think this was my main problem with the re-release. It's not that I don't like it necessarily, it's that the version that Kris does on his own is better and the feeling from Jive to shoehorn Pat into the song any which way they could resulted in the emotional high point of the song being not as effective. Then the jaunty little post on Kris's website - "Hey kids what do you think?" when clearly they'd already determined what they were doing. They showed a real lack of understanding towards Kris's fanbase, and Kris as an artist.
Pretty sure I've agreed with you before too.
Talking about CI - Mookie is going to be busking for Warchild
Busking for CHANGE Toronto : Volunteer Page
(he has a band! I haven't really kept up with Mookie lately but it looks like he will actually be putting out an album this year (?) )
A lot of people thought Mookie was screwed when he went with Sony, but then what's the alternative? Being 20 years old or whatever he is, and trying to get signed by somebody? It's kind of interesting how they signed Theo and then skipped over the other three and signed Mookie. Not that that never happens (like Daughtry). I think Mookie is a bad fit, probably, with Sony, unless they've changed since they've handled people like Kalan and Brian.
I know fans say this a lot, but...isn't it odd how we know that, but they don't know that? Why are they so clueless?
As you know, I never thought even the song, never mind the Pat Monahan version, was a good second single. But adding anyone to the song was stupid, as it's about a guy reflecting on his innermost thoughts. That's not a two-guy song. Not even a guy-girl song. I've always been surprised Pat went along with the whole thing. He wrote it - he should know.
And then he distanced himself. After singing it with Kris at one of the gigs they played together, the next one they did together, he didn't. What does that tell you?
I tend to try to make the best of things, so I tried to find the good in it. It turns out I love the song, now, but I still would never have picked it for a single.
At this point I'm a little tired of all the songs on the album (recorded versions, not live) except for Alright With Me. Not that they aren't good, I've just heard them a lot. So, if there's a single #3, I don't think I could be a judge of what's good or not, at this point. I still think it's peculiar how Jive has avoided AWM. Even this summer, people who never heard it before we're tweeting that it was "single material" and an "obvious single", when they heard it in concerts. So I never got the reluctance.
I know fans say this a lot, but...isn't it odd how we know that, but they don't know that? Why are they so clueless?
As you know, I never thought even the song, never mind the Pat Monahan version, was a good second single. But adding anyone to the song was stupid, as it's about a guy reflecting on his innermost thoughts. That's not a two-guy song. Not even a guy-girl song. I've always been surprised Pat went along with the whole thing. He wrote it - he should know.
And then he distanced himself. After singing it with Kris at one of the gigs they played together, the next one they did together, he didn't. What does that tell you?
I tend to try to make the best of things, so I tried to find the good in it. It turns out I love the song, now, but I still would never have picked it for a single.
At this point I'm a little tired of all the songs on the album (recorded versions, not live) except for Alright With Me. Not that they aren't good, I've just heard them a lot. So, if there's a single #3, I don't think I could be a judge of what's good or not, at this point. I still think it's peculiar how Jive has avoided AWM. Even this summer, people who never heard it before we're tweeting that it was "single material" and an "obvious single", when they heard it in concerts. So I never got the reluctance.
I think really the more interesting aspect is that they didn't seem to rush him into releasing something right away. That's usually how they go. I always liked Mookie but for me his original material really wasn't that strong so I'm hopeful that maybe with the time he developed some good material. I'm hopeful at the moment anyway...we'll see how it goes.
Yep.
I've always liked TT but I never would have released it as a single second. Especially since they didn't release it to pop. They could have built on LLWD with CSA or WAOMF or AWM. So I just don't get their decisions either.
AWM seems like such a no brainer. I can't count the number of radio people who talked about what a cool song it was after Kris did the acoustic version. ARGH!!! Why are they so stupid???
ETA: By the way. What was with the wait to do the video for a song that came out in May? I was relectant to criticize this, since the song was still climbing the charts in a slow but seemingly steady way. But it's possible the video coming out much earlier may have given the tune momentum. I mean, the reason that didn't happen could be as simple as needing to wait for a time when Pat Monahan and Kris were both available - as I always thought. But it was still very ill-timed, and then the rain pushed it back even further. I wonder what happened, there?
The thing that seems undeniable is that they must have thought the song was doing well, and wasn't going to bomb, or they wouldn't have gone to all the trouble and expense of the video. I doubt the video was some kind of last-ditch effort to save the single. Yet the video has only been out about 4 or 5 weeks, I think, and the song seems to be through. Any thoughts?
It played on pop here. It was doing pretty well on pop. It was ahead of IIHY for some time, on the Top 30 on the pop station here. Then it rather suddenly dropped off the Top 30.
The thing that seems undeniable is that they must have thought the song was doing well, and wasn't going to bomb, or they wouldn't have gone to all the trouble and expense of the video. I doubt the video was some kind of last-ditch effort to save the single. Yet the video has only been out about 4 or 5 weeks, I think, and the song seems to be through. Any thoughts?
It played on pop here. It was doing pretty well on pop. It was ahead of IIHY for some time, on the Top 30 on the pop station here. Then it rather suddenly dropped off the Top 30.
IMHO they waited too long to release the video. Especially since it was the album's second single, it's something they should have had worked out well in advance since LLWD lasted forever. They had a lot of time to do it and get a video done. But then they waited and waited and ran out of time. THey should have had the video ready for Kris's performance on Idol. But, they'd barely picked the single at that point. It was an organizational fail IMO.
I don't really think the song bombed. It clearly wasn't a huge hit, but it did hit the top 20. The thing is that other label's seem to be more on the ball with songs, if a song falters then they release another single right away. Or maybe I'm just following Kris way too closely. Come to think of it, that could be it. LOL
I don't really think the song bombed. It clearly wasn't a huge hit, but it did hit the top 20. The thing is that other label's seem to be more on the ball with songs, if a song falters then they release another single right away. Or maybe I'm just following Kris way too closely. Come to think of it, that could be it. LOL
I think part of the delay had to do with adding Pat Monahan. Either they had to wait for him to do his part of the song, or maybe they had another song in mind, but advance word had Hey Soul Sister being a smash, and they decided to go with The Truth, since he co-wrote it and could sing on it. Maybe they were waiting for HSS to be released. You never know. Most people think things were late because Jive plans poorly, or people are incompetent, and while I don't doubt some of that, I think it makes no sense. I think it's more likely they did have a strategy, it just turned out to be hard to execute, or hard to coordinate around people's schedules - or maybe just a bad strategy.
After all, with the video, they had to get Marco Puig, Kris, and Pat Monahan together all at the same time - maybe not as easy as it sounds. Somewhere along the line, Marco didn't make it. Either they rejected his concept, or there were scheduling conflicts.
The video itself seems to be some kind of compromise. Some of the delay may have been due to rejecting the original concept and finding another concept (and another director). What I was really surprised by was, exactly as in LLWD, they had Kris playing electric guitar and a grand piano, as if that's all they could think of to do with him. That seemed lazy, like they didn't have time to come up with anything fresh - and maybe they didn't. I also thought the video could have been bolder, though it was visually interesting and beautful. But it seems like they shot a lot they didn't use (Cindy's sexy shoes, for ex.). I wonder about a lot of things.
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I agree with you completely - I said something similar in an earlier post.
The thing I wrote that you're responding to was really badly worded. ("The thing that seems undeniable is that they must have thought the song was doing well, and wasn't going to bomb, or they wouldn't have gone to all the trouble and expense of the video.") I didn't mean the song bombed. I don't know why I wrote it like that. I just meant videos are produced when TPTB think a song will do well/won't bomb. In other words, if they made a video, they had faith in the song.
I usually track Idols radio spins/chart at USA today. As far as i know, The Truth was doing well on Hot AC and reached top 20 on that format, but the song never cracked the Top 40 on CHR/Pop. It's highly likely that Jive won't bother to release third single for him. They actually did something similar to Archie and Jordin. Jordin discussed about her third single 7 months ago and still hasn't been given one, and I doubt she ever will at this point :sad3:.
If they actually wanted a quick Pop hit they also could have gone with the album version of Heartless, which took off as a hit on that Atlanta Top 40 station. Kris does a killer version in concert, and he always includes it, so I think it would have been easy as heck to promote. But I think it would have sent the wrong signal about what kind of artist he is (album version, not concert), and Kris might have been forced to do more music in that style.
Yeah, CapsuleNeo, that's strange about Jordin. I don't get it. (I know very little about her as I never watched AI prior to season 7, and I really only watched regularly starting with season 8. Also, I usually never listened to pop radio until recently, because I don't really care for the format. But I've listened to it to hear how Idol songs are doing.)
But Jordin had four singles released from her first album. Since the first two went Top 20, it's no surprise she got a third. Archie, well, I don't honestly think there were too many good songs on his album, and I'm also not sure he can be big on pop.
The Truth was not doing great on Pop. I'm not sure it was supposed to; it's not a Pop radio type of song. I'd guess it was intended as an HAC/AC hit. Wasn't it released to HAC first? But why, when Kris had a Pop/HAC/AC hit the first time, they would want to go with a potential HAC hit, I don't know. I wish I could ask them.
I have to add that almost every time I heard the song on either Pop or HAC (it played on both here- Boston), the DJ made some kind of positive comment.. Maybe they're paid to say such stuff. But I think radio tends to be mostly pro-Kris, so if another single is released I don't think there would be any great reluctance to play it. Will there be one? I don't know. If they think money can be made, then, yes.
I think before the artist even writes any of his own songs for an Idol album, TPTB are already in the process of choosing the songs (by other songwriters) they will release as singles. I think a lot of it is preordained. Maybe not written in stone, but fairly definite. I I heard they switched the original choice for Archie's second single, based on fan opinions. They obviously didn't do it for Kris. Maybe because when they did it for Archie, it didn't work. There were several thousand people who bought AWM based on seconds-long snippets in the Ford commercials - that ought to have told them something.
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I just hope he kicks ass with a good song, lol.
Someone mashed up the videos for LLWD and TT, and made a video for From the Ashes (dear Kris perform this live... also no more deserts.. those videos mash up too well)
YouTube - Kris Allen - From The Ashes (MUSIC VIDEO)
Someone mashed up the videos for LLWD and TT, and made a video for From the Ashes (dear Kris perform this live... also no more deserts.. those videos mash up too well)
YouTube - Kris Allen - From The Ashes (MUSIC VIDEO)
It took me ten minutes to figure out why Kris shouldn't eat any more desserts. Until I realized I was spelling it wrong. lol I was like, "Is he getting fat?"
Yeah, I guess no more deserts. And for Adam, no more dancers in bizarre outfits, because he's done that for two videos, now.
What do you have against deserts, anyway? I like the desert setting. I didn't think they were very similar. I forgot how much I liked The Truth video. I criticized it yesterday but seeing it again (I just watched the whole thing, full screen), I still like it. What strikes me as the most similar in both videos is the piano and guitar playing, and the fact that he's alone (not counting Pat, or Cindy - they're peripheral). Kris alone in LLWD was good. It suits TT, also. But Kris is not really the alone type, and I think some interaction with people would be good, since he does this so well.
If you look at this video (TT) you can see they were trying to make a good-looking video, and they spent money. But you could say maybe they should have just rushed out a video, earlier. I think the WWFM video is obviously inxpensive, as well as fairly ugly, but it got the job done. I don't think IIHY is good, either, but, again, it was there to help sell the song when it was supposed to be.
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LOL!
Mainly the fact that they're both set in the desert and are kind of similar. Kris is such a people person that I think he needs some peeps in his videos -- the band, the band..
I think Adam will always have an element that is very surreal. That's just him. I'd like to see Kris's videos have more of Kris in them. They seem so beautiful but empty and Kris is always surrounded by people. Any time there are pictures of Kris at home I think there are usually about 20 people hanging out.
But I was talking about having a big group of people in his videos (who don't wear a lot of clothes). You don't think these videos are similar? I do.
YouTube - Adam Lambert - For Your Entertainment
YouTube - Adam Lambert - If I Had You
Damn. I posted these damn videos and now I lost the original link I copied. (By the way, glad for you folks that like Adam but his voice is still torture to me. I had to turn the sound off just now. ) I'm not a hater. Just hate his voice.
Okay, forget the link. Are you sitting down, SleepinIn?
Kris is doing a show with Hedley!
:santa::happy7::drunken::tongue3:8O
:smile:Hold on and I will find the link. I saw it at the KrisTogether forum.
ETA: the post is by "taks"
Lifehouse/Kris Allen Fall Tour 10/15/10-11/24/10 : Tours & Shows - Page 3
There is no other info about this that I can find.
[ETA, one hour later:] Well, I thought it was kind of exciting...
Howard Cohen (like a lot of the older male critics) loves him some Lambert. I'm surprised he's shilling that much for IIHY on the radio. For a critic he's suprisingly fanboyish!
Howard Cohen (HowardCohen) on Twitter
Tom MacDonald from Hedley follows me on twitter so I just asked him if the show with Kris is for real or not.
Thursday was declared "Operation Album Spike" by LetsDoThis4LeeDeWyze.com. The site encouraged fans to pre-order Lee DeWyze's album & try to spike sales. According to the site, the album rose to #19 on the iTunes pop chart, #151 on the iTunes bestseller list, #20 on Amazon.com bestsellers (up from as low as #3,538 ) and #1 on Amazon's "Movers & Shakers." His yet to be titled album is due out November 16th.
I like this. Without the guitar for the last part.
YouTube - Kris Allen, "Live Like We're Dying" Allentown Fair September 3, 2010
I was watching this on an Italian website.
The Great Allentown Fair (Opening for Keith Urban) Kris Allen Fans – First Italian Source
No I think they are similar. But, I think that they are both Adam-ish. More so than Kris in the desert is Kris-ish. Does that make any sense? LOL
Sitting down! Hee! I actually was looking at this yesterday, but wasn't able to confirm it through tour schedules or the radio station in Houston. How do you feel about it? I know you were feeling conflicted recently. I think it would be an interesting show for sure. I feel the need for my favourite Idol peeps to meet.
I hope the world doesn't implode. Howard is an Adam fan for sure. But I think it's funny that he's getting crap for the stuff he's posting. I mean clearly he's a fan. It's a good review peeps. Relax.
I'm watching right now on Much and So You Think You Can Dance Canada and Adam's IIHY is being used for "New Disco" - "New disco" makes me want old disco back - but the song sounds good. Too bad the dancing sucked
Kris fans are just never this organized. They have names for things and everything.
and how did I miss that jambajess started to tweet? jess (jambajess) on Twitter (following Kris <3 )
The sky is so awesome in those Allentown vids.
MITM looks wicked! Like they're on a tall ship at sunset