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missaddicted

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Jive has a plan?

(I'm kidding. Well, half-kidding. I don't really see the plan they could have.)

I still think the best go-to plan is to release the single that has the potential to do the best right now. Not think about how *possible* third and fourth singles would do. Is it what they thought about when they released TT? That's my question. I don't see how they could have done otherwise, but I do question it a little.
 

SleepinIn

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I'm listening to the soundcheck video for Radiohead from Detroit.. I want this so much. I hope someone gets a good version of this from the tour.
 

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Listen we Canadians release our intergalatic supahstars selectively.. Cause when they're big.. they're big. Celine and Beiber, need I say more? It's too much for the world to take. We love humanity too much.

Haha. :D

I still think the best go-to plan is to release the single that has the potential to do the best right now. Not think about how *possible* third and fourth singles would do. Is it what they thought about when they released TT? That's my question. I don't see how they could have done otherwise, but I do question it a little.

Oh, I don't know what I mean. I just have a feeling. I have had a good feeling all along. And so far, so good. Like, say, with Kalan and Sony BMG I had a pretty bad feeling. With Jacob and Universal I had a good feeling.

Kris designed the pink elephant t-shirt...

Also apparently the pic I have is andrews but kris signed it. OH it was katys idea for the elephant shirt bit he picked out all the designs

And he said it took forever to find just the right design. He was like I MADE THEM I LOVE THEM. 10 minutes ago via UberTwitter

and there was also:

They said they'd change up the setlist. Also they love cheesecurds. And andrew is the one that gives tix away.

Cheese curds! That's how you can lure them to Montreal! Kris needs to try poutine.

[Gee you guys are here and posting and then you're like, fffft - gone. Scattered like roaches.]
 
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SleepinIn

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That sucks.

It does. FOR SURE. But it's not surprising. When Adam performed WWFM it was already a hit. Carrie is Carrie. She's a monster. Plus Ryan didn't talk over her and then basically ignore her for a full season. I'm kinda glad Kris didn't perform AWM on Idol. Because if Ryan had talked over AWM.... I would not be happy.

Cheese curds.. lol - so random.

ALSO Pictures! From MTV

Kris Allen | MTV Photo Gallery

So no video from last night eh? I am so spoiled... want..

Rumours of another Boston date... Mixfest
 

missaddicted

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But it's not surprising.

But, it's a bit surprising, no? The lowest Idol number I saw on the chart was Kellie Pickler with 3,000 copies sold of her single. That means, Kris couldn't even sell 3,000 copies of TT after performing it in front of 20 million people (and doing a great job, it's not as if his performance sucked, then I could've understood... but I wouldn't expect Kris to suck anyway). I know the song is not a hit yet, but I still would've expected more than 3,000 copies sold. That's only 0,015% of the audience that was watching.

The MTV pictures are great! And you know, I never really think that Kris looks hot, but he comes really really close in that picture: Kris Allen | MTV Photo Gallery
 

SleepinIn

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I think the country numbers are easier to find for some reason, he has access or something. He still may have sold fewer than 3,000 copies. And no I'm not that surprised.

When you think about it Let it Be for instance only sold something like 100,000 copies and it was a charity single and they spoke to Kris and mentioned the single. (okay 1 time.. but still) Ryan's intro left more than a little to be desired "With the Truth here's your reigning American Idol Kris Allen.. blah bity blah my mic is open" no mention that it was his single or anything, plus talked over Kris. Then at the end.. "Good to see ya buddy"

You guys aren't fans of it, I know, and my dad called it a bland song. LOL. For me it's a song that I think creeps into your head the more you hear it, so I think they should have pushed it on radio sooner and had a video ready to go to get traction from the Idol visit.

I thought he came closer to hot in this one Kris Allen | MTV Photo Gallery .. not that I'm looking or anything.. lol. These were really good pictures I have to say. :)

Soundcheck! At the @KrisAllen show. Here's a pic from soundcheck. on Twitpic
 

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I just want to point out that it's not because I'm not a fan of TT that I'm surprised. I'm honestly surprised and disappointed that it didn't make the top 200 of sales for last week. After an Idol appearance. It just seems wrong to me. I'm not trying to put down the song. (But, yeah, I agree with you dad, LOL.)

I thought he came closer to hot in this one Kris Allen | MTV Photo Gallery .. not that I'm looking or anything.. lol.

When I clicked on the link, I knew exactly what picture I would find there, LOL.
 

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Yeah, I'm disappointed too. Not surprised. But definately disappointed. Kris will always have to do things the long way I guess. Sometimes that's the best thing anyway. Frustrating as all hell though.

When I clicked on the link, I knew exactly what picture I would find there, LOL.

Not that we think he's hot or anything. Nope. LOL

Kinda neat cover of LLWD
YouTube - Live like we're dying - Kris Allen (cover by Iziah Kanhai)
 

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You know, it's great they did that elephang shirt (Tour merchandise, including the red elephant shirt, which has... on Twitpic), because personally, I would be more tempted to buy that then to buy a shirt with Kris' face on it.

I agree! It's funny and it's kinda cryptic, and that for me is the perfect thing in a tour shirt. I'm not wearing someone's face on a t-shirt. Plus it's $33.00 Seriously that is like 2 CD's. He should just sell t-shirts. Plus you get to keep (I think) the profits. Funny cool merch is a total win.
 

missaddicted

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Yeah, merch is big part of how the artists make their money. I think I only have one thing I bought at a concert though (a Coldplay hat... it's written Coldplay and Viva La Vida on it, but it's subtle), this stuff is so expensive.
 

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I didn't have big expectations for that song to sell a lot after the finale performance, so I'm not disappointed. I don't think it was presented with any fanfare, and I expected as much. Also, I definitely don't think Kris was presented with any fanfare. Not a single complementary thing was said about him. It was never mentioned that he already had a big hit single (plenty of people who watch Idol don't have any clue what's on the radio). Or whatever. It sure didn't seem to me like he was given any kind of decent intro, considering he was the returning winner, the conquering hero, about to return in triumph. It was something like, "Idol can change your life and here's someone who knows what that's like." Well, so does Matt Giraud.

On American Idol, you practically have to tell the audience what they should be doing or thinking. Like the way they showcased Adam. "Hey, folks, you forgot. This guy is huge. Why? Because we're telling you, that's why. So why aren't you buying his single, that we are going to name 32 times and then present with a big light show? Just in case you don't think he's a big star yet, we're going to make him a mentor just like all the other big stars. That way you will be forced to think of him as a big star too. He's going to sit down for a friendly chat with Ryan Seacrest, just in case you still don't think he's worthy. They literally have to shove it in people's faces with both hands. This is why Adam's single was able to be jacked up to a million copies, something I'm not sure would have happened otherwise. (If the same treatment had been given to Kris, LLWD would now be past 2 million.)

missaddicted, in my humble belief, it often takes more than just letting someone sing a song on TV once (in a truncated version, at that) to make people clamor for it and buy thousands and thousands of copies. Like SleepinIn said, the song is still unfamiliar, as it hasn't had much radio play and there's no video yet. In a perfect world all of these things would have been in place, I guess. But even then, who knows? American Idol has treated Kris as an also-ran and Adam as the winner. You can't expect that to yield huge sales when the also-ran performs his perfunctory little number (How else was Kris treated badly by them? Wasn't some of his film supposed to be on IGB?)

I wouldn't say Kris has been actively dissed by Idol but he was presented in such a way (even when he did LIB) that had me questioning how he was presented. I never felt comfortable. I never had a feeling of satisfaction. The only thing that satisfied me was how he performed.
 

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I wouldn't say Kris has been actively dissed by Idol but he was presented in such a way (even when he did LIB) that had me questioning how he was presented. I never felt comfortable. I never had a feeling of satisfaction. The only thing that satisfied me was how he performed.

Exactly, and it's something that even non fans remarked on. I don't expect them to mention him everytime someone sings something he sang but, for ANS, and FS both to be sung with no mention of Kris at all. That is a total fail on Idol's part. Especially since FS was a song Kris asked to get cleared.

I loved Mad World.. It's fantastic. But, seriously. It wasn't the only song that was fantastic last year. Also Mad World isn't currently on the Pop chart... LOL! To never mention Kris the entire season? Preaching to the choir, I know, LOL.
*gets off soapbox*
 

ross 1

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Here'e the one-sentence intro.

YouTube - Kris Allen - The Truth (American Idol 9 Grand Finale) [HQ]

By the way, the audience response was great (and not just the swaybots).

I hate that abrupt cut in the song.

Of course I have no doubt that he would have killed with AWM.

Exactly, and it's something that even non fans remarked on. I don't expect them to mention him everytime someone sings something he sang but, for ANS, and FS both to be sung with no mention of Kris at all. That is a total fail on Idol's part. Especially since FS was a song Kris asked to get cleared.

You know, I agree, but I wouldn't automatically expect them to mention Kris because after all, this season was not exactly stellar, and, you know, comparisons might have made that even more obvious. Nonetheless it was odd no judge just spontaneously mentioned him, in some random manner. There are always those comments like, "You remind me a little of Kris Allen," or, "If you want to be another Kris Allen and win this, you're going to have to..." I mean, I remember in S6 of CI, Zack name checking Jacob and Kalan, and Sass comparing Mitch's voice to Jacob's. It does happen. Oh, yeah, that's right. Kara mentioned Adam. And then Simon went on Leno and said Adam should have won. And then when he was asked who would win, this year, he said "Adam." And then Adam was chosen to mentor. And then on the finale when Ryan mentioined memorable Idol performances he name checked Adam. Am I not making my point, here? They do not want Kris. Do. not. want.

And by that I mean, they're indifferent. It isn't some kind of hatred. They just don't really care. From all reports, that's what people hate about Hollywood. The coldness, indifference, and ambivalence. It's soul-killing. On second thought, I'm glad Kris is getting out of there and going back to Arkansas.
 
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Oh, yeah, that's right. Kara mentioned Adam. And then Simon went on Leno and said Adam should have won. And then when he was asked who would win, this year, he said "Adam." And then Adam was chosen to mentor. And then on the finale when Ryan mentioined memorable Idfol performances he name checked Adam. Am I not making my point, here? They do not want Kris. Do. not. want.

Too bad for them then. :p
 

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Too bad for them then.

Yeah!! Haha. Sorry to be so negative. I just went and read the headlines thread on MJ's blog and that didn't help my mood. But I guess what I really mean is, where Kris and AI are concerned, I've lowered my expectations to just about zero (I had fairly high ones at the beginning of the season). I think Kris will have to make it without Idol's assistance. And I'm pretty sure he will.

I also think I have to stop reading MJ's blog for the duration of Kris's tour, because I want to enjoy it. That is, I just want to read the tour threads that have Kris's fans posting on them. Like, I was just reading about how his Madison concert didn't sell out (I guess). I don't really think much about such things, as a rule. But you know how the "enemies" love to gloat about such stuff. I have no idea if people often sell out 1000-seat venues on Tuesday nights in Madison, Wisconsin. I don't think it's a big deal. But I don't want to be brainwashed by those people. I'd rather concentrate on how this was Kris and KAB's first real full-length concert as a headliner, and what a fantastic job they seem to have done.

ETA: It's funny you mentioned Mixfest as I was listening to Mix today and there was an ad for Mixfest and it never occurred to me Kris might be part of that. I bet they'll have a lot of good acts. Cool that Kris can be part of both the Pop and the HAC stations' big shows.

ETA: And I know it shouldn't, but when I read Lee and Crystal are performing FS together again (and probably will continue to) it just annoys me a lot.
 

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I have no idea if people often sell out 1000-seat venues on Tuesday nights in Madison, Wisconsin. I don't think it's a big deal. But I don't want to be brainwashed by those people.

You know what? You just have to look at it from the point of view that Kris is a new artist. If you look at where Hedley was when they started after Idol they played a LOT of small clubs. It's a good way to build a fanbase.

Plus the crowds look pretty interested. :)

@KrisAllen @krisallenband looking good boys!!! on Twitpic

ETA: And I know it shouldn't, but when I read Lee and Crystal are performing FS together again (and probably will continue to) it just annoys me a lot.

Yeah me too. I'm unreasonably hostile (okay, mildly irritated) towards those two, for no reason. I feel bad about it, because it's not really their fault. It's residual annoyance from Idol's kris ignoring this year. It just drives me nuts that Simon pimped Lee who didn't sing in tune.. ARGH!!!!
 

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You know what? You just have to look at it from the point of view that Kris is a new artist. If you look at where Hedley was when they started after Idol they played a LOT of small clubs. It's a good way to build a fanbase.

Plus the crowds look pretty interested. :icon_smile:

That is exactly how I think about it. The main thing (sorry for stating the obvious) is that all those people are seeing a good show. Great show, probably. And they all go home from there, and spread the word. I think Hedley is a good example. Like Hedley, Kris and his band just never seem to be half-assed or phoning it in. That is a very good thing and people remember it. Also, when you associate a performer or a band with fun, that's another huge plus.

I often think - maybe it's obvious, again, but still - many artists start out on their first tour and are minor disasters. They or their band have no real experience, or they play to empty houses. Or they can't perform live.

Yeah me too. I'm unreasonably hostile (okay, mildly irritated) towards those two, for no reason. I feel bad about it, because it's not really their fault. It's residual annoyance from Idol's kris ignoring this year. It just drives me nuts that Simon pimped Lee who didn't sing in tune.. ARGH!!!!

I didn't really know you felt that. I feel the same way. I don't think it's their fault, but there's something a little creepy about the way they don't seem to have the minimal amount of respect for the recent past. Unlike Siobhan's obvious respect for Adam, these two, who you think would have some respect for Kris, don't seem to. While Kris did have that, for Cook, for example. (Imagine if Kris had sung a song popularized by Cook. He would have had the class to acknowledge it.)

For some reason I feel like they "stole" FS. It's irrational, but I guess it's the way it all went down that bugs me -- and the fact that Idol didn't acknowledge anything, of course.
 
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