Canadian Identity: un-American

EagleSmack

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It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the Canadian websites are owned by Americans, Johnnny. Especially some of the pornographic websites. They are still Puritans for the most part in USA, some of the websites that won’t be permitted in USA are probably OK in Canada.

And you make this foolish statement with no basis whatsoever.

So I ask you again... like child porn and animals? That is ok in Canada?

What web porn is legal in Canada that is not in the USA?

See why it is so easy? You're a laughingstock in here!
 

FiveParadox

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EagleSmack, how can you then explain the much more conservative rating system for sex and nudity in the United States, as compared to Canada? SirJosephPorter is suggesting that social attitudes in Canada are more progressive toward pornography than in the United States (Canada’s archaic pornography laws notwithstanding).
 

SirJosephPorter

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And you make this foolish statement with no basis whatsoever.

So I ask you again... like child porn and animals? That is ok in Canada?

What web porn is legal in Canada that is not in the USA?

See why it is so easy? You're a laughingstock in here!


You clearly did not read what I said in a subsequent post (as I said in another thread, a reader reads what he wants to read, not what the writer writes). I said that while it may be legal, there is lot of red tape, lot of hassles put in the path of porn websites in USA. Bush substantially increased the amount of paperwork, the amount of records such websites have to keep.

In order to avoid all that hassle, it wouldn’t surprise me if some Americans operate their websites from Canada (or at least keep their servers in Canada).
 

Kreskin

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My web design skills suck but I've had many people (even doctors/PhD's) say my .ca site is the best in the world for the topic. One of these days I'm gonna take over the world (when I have a few hour to spare and am not on CC).
 

SirJosephPorter

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My web design skills suck but I've had many people (even doctors/PhD's) say my .ca site is the best in the world for the topic. One of these days I'm gonna take over the world (when I have a few hour to spare and am not on CC).


You say you have your own website, so you may be familiar with the topic. Do some of the porn websites in USA keep their servers in Canada to escape the hassles and red tape in USA?
 

EagleSmack

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EagleSmack, how can you then explain the much more conservative rating system for sex and nudity in the United States, as compared to Canada? SirJosephPorter is suggesting that social attitudes in Canada are more progressive toward pornography than in the United States (Canada’s archaic pornography laws notwithstanding).

Ok...the US is the leader in the Porn industry...but we don't like it...because we are mostly Puritans.

Canadians are more progressive towards porn...but their laws are archaic.
 

FiveParadox

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Ok...the US is the leader in the Porn industry...but we don't like it...because we are mostly Puritans.

Canadians are more progressive towards porn...but their laws are archaic.

Alrighty then, I don’t think you actually read my post. :)

Are you suggesting that Americans are less conservative than Canadians on the issue of pornography?
 

EagleSmack

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Alrighty then, I don’t think you actually read my post. :)

Are you suggesting that Americans are less conservative than Canadians on the issue of pornography?

I am saying that there is a lot of porn available to anyone that wants it... Canadian and American. You either like it or you don't.
 

TenPenny

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Quebec certainly has a different outlook on porn than the rest of Canada.

That said, I would suggest that SJP needs to broaden his horizons - any porn site that wants to be daring or push limits isn't going to be hosted in North America at all. Although SJP may not know it, the internet is a world-wide thing.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Quebec certainly has a different outlook on porn than the rest of Canada.

That said, I would suggest that SJP needs to broaden his horizons - any porn site that wants to be daring or push limits isn't going to be hosted in North America at all. Although SJP may not know it, the internet is a world-wide thing.


That is all very well, but does anybody know answer to my question? My guess is that some American porn websites keep their servers in Canada to escape the horrendous red tape and documentation requirements imposed on them by Bush administration.

Does anybody know of firsthand knowledge if my guess is right or not?
 

AnnaG

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My point in bringing it up is that Canada is more ok with having soft porn on tv and not so much violence. The States are prudish about even soft porn on tv and like loads more violence. I think our priorities are better. lol
 

SirJosephPorter

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I am saying that there is a lot of porn available to anyone that wants it... Canadian and American. You either like it or you don't.


Here you are right, as to availability of porn. Religious right used to wage a Holy War, a jihad against pornography, they have pretty much given up (though they would ban pornography if they could). And internet is responsible for that.

I remember in the 70s and 80, especially during Regan era, religious right went all out against porn outlets, porn theaters, porn shops etc. and they were able to close down quite a few of them. Reagan of course added fuel to the fire by his Meese commission (he had to cater to his base).

The pornography wars have cooled down as of late, because there really is no way to ban internet. But that doesn’t mean American people have suddenly become liberal, they are still conservative. Previously there was the will to ban porn and there was the way (picket porn outlets, intimidate them, threaten them etc.). These days, there is no way, but the will still exists.
 

Kreskin

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You say you have your own website, so you may be familiar with the topic. Do some of the porn websites in USA keep their servers in Canada to escape the hassles and red tape in USA?

I'm not familiar with the issue. Is there more red tape in the US?
 

SirJosephPorter

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I'm not familiar with the issue. Is there more red tape in the US?


My understanding is that there is a lot more read tape in USA, for record keeping (for porn sites only). It may have eased during Obama administration, but there certainly was a lot of pressure put on porn sites during the Bush administration. Bush came up with the new rules which dramatically increased the record keeping and book keeping requirements for porn sites.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Well, nobody seems to know anything about this, so I decided to look it up (when everything else fails, look on the internet).

I googled for ‘porn sites record keeping’. They have to file something called ‘18 USC 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements Compliance Statement’. I am not sure exactly what that is, but I do remember when Bush was bringing it in, there was a discussion as to how onerous the requirements are.

Canadian (and non US) site are not required to comply with it. One website I found was ‘Mike’s porn site reviews’. It says the following:

Mike's Porn Site Reviews

The owner of Mike's Porn Site Reviews is not a US citizen and is as such exempt from local US record keeping laws for picture and video content used on this ...
www.mikespornsitereviews.com/

So yes, there seems to be a lot more red tape in USA. That makes me even stronger in my contention that at least some US porn sites keep their servers abroad (Canada would be the likely choice) to escape the US red tape.
 

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Here you are right, as to availability of porn. Religious right used to wage a Holy War, a jihad against pornography, they have pretty much given up (though they would ban pornography if they could). And internet is responsible for that.

I remember in the 70s and 80, especially during Regan era, religious right went all out against porn outlets, porn theaters, porn shops etc. and they were able to close down quite a few of them. Reagan of course added fuel to the fire by his Meese commission (he had to cater to his base).

The pornography wars have cooled down as of late, because there really is no way to ban internet. But that doesn’t mean American people have suddenly become liberal, they are still conservative. Previously there was the will to ban porn and there was the way (picket porn outlets, intimidate them, threaten them etc.). These days, there is no way, but the will still exists.

'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.' - Ronald Reagan
 

TenPenny

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I believe (and I could be wrong) that the most important record keeping for the porn industry is that they have to verify that all of the actors are of legal age, and they have to maintain those records.
 

EagleSmack

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You most certainly are. Most of your porn industry is concentrated in California (Vivid Entertainment etc.), which is a liberal state (well, what passes for liberal in USA). But large parts of USA are very puritanical, as was evident from the outrage generated by the Janet Jackson incident.

Most movie studios in general are located in California. Does that mean the rest of the country does not want movies?

Most Soap Operas are filmed in New York City...does that mean the rest of the country does not like Soap Operas?

Both are liberal states so obviously the rest of the country would rather not have any sort of entertainment.


Also, a substantial part of your population would like nothing better than to close down the porn industry in California.

Do you have research to back that up? I say you are full of you know what because it is a booming industry. That evidence says that a substantial part of our population wants it.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Do you have research to back that up? I say you are full of you know what because it is a booming industry. That evidence says that a substantial part of our population wants it.

You evidently don’t know the history of your own country, EagleSmack. Religious right has mounted a Holy Crusade against pornography for a long time now. I can’t do your work for you, but Google for ‘religious right pornography’ and you will find plenty of research (including findings of the Meese commission appointed by Reagan).