Canadian Citizenship Rights To Change Under Harper
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The Gov could always set up shop on the most northern island we have, as long as their banker buddies on the Rivera don't forget about them they will be free from ant threat a citizen of Canada could pose. That may be extreme but so is setting up a security risk in the middle of downtown of the largest cities we have. Cold Lake is remote enough, if you get hanged by a mob in your own riding, tuff **** you probably deserved it.
Omar, unlike his father, was born in Toronto Canada. He is a Canadian by birth right.
So how would this have played out? We drag him back to Canada to face the courts ( convicting a Canadian in their absense is not what I would consider very compliant to the Canadian Charter) then we deport him? What if no country will take him?
I agree. The level of discourse on politics is headed towards the same level as they have in the US. Spin, BS and Crapola.
If you take up arms against the country you are a citizen of it is treason. No more no less. As to the Khadr's, not all were born in Canada.
Karrie - It is not going to far. As i mentioned above it is treason.
Sort of depends on your perspective. To the yankees Paul Revere is a hero while to the english he would be a traitor. Same with Washington and a bunch of others. If they hadn't won their civil war they would have been hanged for treason.
Funny you should mention that. When my wife became a Canadian the government would not permit her to renounce her German citizenship and believe me she tried.
You wonder just where our governments head is at??
It must have been when the Libs were in power, who else could be so stupid??
I would disagree, and especially for the case of the U.S. Not because i bear any animosity towards it but because Canada's position as a small country (in economic and military terms) in the shadow of a superpower, makes it imperative that is explicitly define it sovereignty.. and there is no more explicit statement of sovereignty than to demand of its citizens that they bear no other allegiances. I'll go farther and say i think the U.S. should invoke the same standards.
I have no problem with people living under given conditions as expatriates in other countries. That has always happened. It is the issue of the INTEGRITY of the meaning of citizenship, and the worth of the oath of citizenship that new Canadians make that concerns me. This requirement would leave no ambiguity as to any mixed patriotism by demanding that they renounce the citizenship in their country of origin. Canadians as well would not be allowed to take out citizenship in a foreign country without renouncing their own 'Canadian' status.
That is pretty much what happened. Canada turned their back on him for so long, it left other countries asking why is this guy still at Gitmo?
I disagree.. Strongly.
The Canadian gvt recognized that Khadr would have to answer for his actions and allowed of foreign, sovereign nation (against which Khadr took his actions) to hold him to account.
Yes indeed, lets strip everyone that has dual citizenship of their Canadian citizenship. Even if they were born here, or their parents are native born Canadians, lets strip away their rights. Or, force them to give up any other citizenship, even if they were born with multiple citizenship status (as I was).
Why? Because some yahoo doesn't think that anyone that doesn't think exactly like he does should not be allowed to be a Canadian.
Let's just have 1984 personified in this persons pattern. We can all be in lockstep, marching along to big brothers tune.
Let;s see now, under Coldstream's proposal, every Prime Minister prior to 1984 would not be eligible to be a Citizen of Canada, because they ALL held dual citizenship (as did ALL Canadian citizens). That's right, every Canadian was also a "British Subject", entitled to move to, live in, vote in all elections, etc. in Great Britain. This right was specifically enshrined in the Canadian Citizenship Act of 1947 (the act would not have passed Parliament if they had stripped away British Subject status).
So, all of those Canadian's that fought and died in Korea were unworthy according to Coldstream. They had "divided loyalty", so they were unworthy to hold Canadian citizenship.
See what a slippery slope you slide down when you advocate stupidity?
Why? Because some yahoo doesn't think that anyone that doesn't think exactly like he does should not be allowed to be a Canadian.
Let's just have 1984 personified in this persons pattern. We can all be in lockstep, marching along to big brothers tune.
Let;s see now, under Coldstream's proposal, every Prime Minister prior to 1984 would not be eligible to be a Citizen of Canada, because they ALL held dual citizenship (as did ALL Canadian citizens). That's right, every Canadian was also a "British Subject", entitled to move to, live in, vote in all elections, etc. in Great Britain. This right was specifically enshrined in the Canadian Citizenship Act of 1947 (the act would not have passed Parliament if they had stripped away British Subject status).
So, all of those Canadian's that fought and died in Korea were unworthy according to Coldstream. They had "divided loyalty", so they were unworthy to hold Canadian citizenship.
See what a slippery slope you slide down when you advocate stupidity?
Just out of curiosity, if my mother was Canadian and my father American and I held dual citizenship which Nation do I fight for in a war?
Should a dual citizenship bar a person from certain jobs? (in Government not Private Sector)
Should a dual citizenship bar a person from certain jobs? (in Government not Private Sector)
So, exactly where do you call home?
If it ever came down to both of 'your' nations warring with one another, who will you be supporting?.. By in large, this in itself forces you to claim one nationality over another, right?
Khadr made his choice. Should he somehow be exempt from answering for his actions just because he holds multiple passports or was he hiding behind his Canadian citizenship because he knew the consequences here would be far less punitive?
... And the award for the best over-exaggeration is...
Were they all dual citizens?
As a afterbirth on the ground type of citizen I would like to 'ban all traditions' from the 'old countries' that are not an absolute necessity for getting along with your neighbors (anybody within your power of influence) Those traditions can cause hates and prejudices to remain intact instead of being left behind.
How about an immigration law that prohibits integration into 'like minded' communmities and for refugees from persecution you have to agree to leave you old prejudices at the gate. (hence the living with people from many other nations other than the one of origin) As it stands we make little island that try and resemble what we were running away from and claim the past is worth holding onto for as long as possible. That might not be entirely correct when 'refugee' is on the 'reason for moving' lone.
That isn't the way our history goes so I doubt it is going to be like that in the near or far future.
and while most countries took the gitmo convicts back to serve in their own jails, Canada turned their back on Kadr which means that he was not only the youngest at gitmo, he was one of the last to leave gitmo
So what?
Many countries actively harbour and/or support terrorist organizations too... Should Canada do the same 'cause others are doing it as well?
Many countries actively harbour and/or support terrorist organizations too... Should Canada do the same 'cause others are doing it as well?
I will not try to speak for any of other naturalized citizens in general and not for any Hungarian immigrants in particular. I will, as I always have, speak only for myself.
I left the old country with a profound hate for socialism and communism, which never was promoted by me for any kind of violence against those that disagree. I never got myself stuck into an ethnic Hungarian neighbourhood, although, I must admit, I frequented restaurants therein. I married a fourth generation Canadian girl, and my children do not speak my mother tongue. I taught my kids no prejudice, national or otherwise. However, I taught them the evils of socialism and communism and taught them that relying on yourself is far more dependable than relying on the government.
I hold onto my past culturally, but WITHOUT government assistance or subsidy, as it should be done. And yes, it is something to worth hanging onto.
Let me know what other complaints you have about immigrants - but proud Canadians - like me.
You seem to have attributed all kinds of things that were NOT proposed in my post. I did not make this a retroactive law. We all know that until the middle of the 20th Century British and Canadian citizenship was interchangeable. That's when we were truly a 'Dominion'. That status clearly is no longer relevant today.
I'm not 100% sure that Canadians are automatically considered citizens of the United Kingdom (as it is officially known).. but if it is i think it should be changed. There might be preferential treatment for nationalities under treaty agreement.. but its obvious that Canada's many treaty obligations have as much weight as its membership in the Commonwealth in the modern era.
I don't consider myself 'British'. Prior to WW2 most Canadians would in fact have defined themselves as British, and most were of Briitish extraction. We should realize that we will have to define our own destiny now as a soveriegn country in a complex world.
None of your points address my central point. Which is that the demanding non-ambiguous citizenship helps to defend Canadian sovereignty. It helps to attract the type of immigrants we should want.. singularly committed to a Canadian identity and future. And it circumvents the growing problem of citizens of convenience.. who demand all the benefits of citizenship, but accept none of its obligations.
My Great grand-parents also implemented some of those same thing so why do take it that I was complaining.. The same corruption that was behind the Governments you hate can also invade our own if we aren't careful.