Dang; too bad you guys came to an agreement.
In the spirit of compromise, I was about to suggest we just deport him halfway.
Canadian-born man facing deportation; Immigration Canada says he’s not a citizen
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Dang; too bad you guys came to an agreement.
In the spirit of compromise, I was about to suggest we just deport him halfway.
Since I don't recognize the government of Canada as legitimate under common law I don't feel a need to obey any of their rules. It may appear that I do but that is because most of the rules in the CCoC happen to be inline with my personal moral & ethical standards.
There you go....only the laws you like ....Most criminals think that way too....
When we have a legitimate government that represents the people I will gladly follow all their laws. Right now I comply with most under threat of imprisonment or physical harm, that doesn't mean I agree with them or recognize them as valid.
Now that DaSleeper has withheld his judgement until all the facts are known (and I am sure he speaks for every fair-minded poster on this thread), we must ask ourselves the following question. "Would we have been so quick to judge our hypothetical Mr. Smith?"
After all, Deepan has served his sentence for his crimes, paid his debt to Canadian society, and has expressed remorse.
By the way, I am not playing the race card since, as the press has indicated, he is of East Indian extraction and is as caucasian as is our Mr. Smith.
After all, Deepan has served his sentence for his crimes, paid his debt to Canadian society, and has expressed remorse.
By the way, I am not playing the race card since, as the press has indicated, he is of East Indian extraction and is as caucasian as is our Mr. Smith.
Who can argue with an illogical argument like that!!!
Sure had me fooled.....:roll:
Then, you mustn't have known East Indians are caucasian.
You've learnt something tonight.
At this point, the facts indicate that buddy is not a Canadian by virtue of birth and without having applied for, and received citizenship - he is a foreign national and should be deported.
I'm guessing that he does not hold a Canadian passport. I am assuming that he does have an Indian one as his folks are Consular personnel.... This in itself should have been clue #1 to him that he is trying to straddle the rules in this instance
No, his parents are not consular personnel. They reside in Canada, They are Canadian citizens as are his sibling.
And, yes, he held a Canadian passport.
No, he has no Indian passport and has never been to India.
And, yes, he held a Canadian passport.
No, he has no Indian passport and has never been to India.
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Does he have a passport from any nation (not that you personally would know)? I suspect that his family organized an Indian one at the time of his birth via their own workplace.
Goober also posted that the birth certificate was issued in error.
Most Consulate personnel are not considered citizens of the nation in which they are stationed, this also applies to their family members unless they specifically apply for citizenship in their host nation.
From the limited amount of info I have read, the man is attempting to claim citizenship status in a manner that is not applicable in Canadian law.
From a practical perspective, had he any tangible argument, he would have had this thing in front of an immigration lawyer and tossed out in a hear-beat..... That does not appear to be the case here and my interpretation is that buddy is reaching out through the local media to garner some kind of sympathy element in hopes that the system will make an exception for him.
Goober also posted that the birth certificate was issued in error.
Most Consulate personnel are not considered citizens of the nation in which they are stationed, this also applies to their family members unless they specifically apply for citizenship in their host nation.
From the limited amount of info I have read, the man is attempting to claim citizenship status in a manner that is not applicable in Canadian law.
From a practical perspective, had he any tangible argument, he would have had this thing in front of an immigration lawyer and tossed out in a hear-beat..... That does not appear to be the case here and my interpretation is that buddy is reaching out through the local media to garner some kind of sympathy element in hopes that the system will make an exception for him.
Goober may well be wrong; Read the links.
His parents were nor working at the consulate when he was born and had not been for four months. When they did work at the consulate, they were cleaning staff - latrines, etc.
His parents were nor working at the consulate when he was born and had not been for four months. When they did work at the consulate, they were cleaning staff - latrines, etc.
If that is the case, the simple solution is to contact an immigration lawyer and this 'case' will be closed within a few hours to buddy's benefit.
In terms of the parents, they are subject to different laws (to a degree) as Consulate personnel. Their actual duties there are of no consequence whatsoever as the very same set of rules & regs will apply equally to the diplomats as they will to the janitorial staff.
The fact that Canadian immigration have already issued the order speaks volumes about the legality here... As a gvt department, generally it is a legnthy process to extradite someone, but this seems to be a slam dunk.... That in itself says quite a bit
In terms of the parents, they are subject to different laws (to a degree) as Consulate personnel. Their actual duties there are of no consequence whatsoever as the very same set of rules & regs will apply equally to the diplomats as they will to the janitorial staff.
The fact that Canadian immigration have already issued the order speaks volumes about the legality here... As a gvt department, generally it is a legnthy process to extradite someone, but this seems to be a slam dunk.... That in itself says quite a bit
Should be interesting to see how this unfolds.... Not being a recognized citizen of Canada leaves him in a crap position... Looks like India is washing their hands of him too.
A man without a country and the optics appear that no one wants him
A man without a country and the optics appear that no one wants him
It would appear to me that the facts (he was born in an Ottawa hospital and was issued a Canadian birth certificate and a Canadian passport) would give him citizenship.
It would also seem that the govt now, decades later, claiming the BC was issued in error is simply them trying to circumvent his rights. They didn't seem to care for at least 20 years or more but now all of a sudden they're pulling this rabbit from the hat.
Now I know there are many in the Asian gangs around Vancouver with weapons & drug charges yet I have never heard of them being deported so what makes this guy so special the govt will take a chance they are violating his constitutional rights and possibly violating the actual law to deport him?
The govt has stated itself it is a loophole in the law that has allowed them to take this stance. I have to wonder if those supporting the govt here would be so quick to support a murderer or rapist who got off via some loophole in the law. I think not.
It would also seem that the govt now, decades later, claiming the BC was issued in error is simply them trying to circumvent his rights. They didn't seem to care for at least 20 years or more but now all of a sudden they're pulling this rabbit from the hat.
Now I know there are many in the Asian gangs around Vancouver with weapons & drug charges yet I have never heard of them being deported so what makes this guy so special the govt will take a chance they are violating his constitutional rights and possibly violating the actual law to deport him?
The govt has stated itself it is a loophole in the law that has allowed them to take this stance. I have to wonder if those supporting the govt here would be so quick to support a murderer or rapist who got off via some loophole in the law. I think not.
This has happened in the past-there was some guy with borderline intelligence who was shipped back to Ecuador because of a criminal record his supporters-and there are always supporters-said he wouldn't survive on the streets of Quito.
They quickly lost track of him and went to New Causes there's always a New Cause for that type-some of whom post here now.
They quickly lost track of him and went to New Causes there's always a New Cause for that type-some of whom post here now.
It does not give him any rights if it was obtained fraudulently or by error.
I can understand that point but it would seem that the govt didn't care about it for over 2 decades. They let him grow up in Canada believing he was a citizen, they even issued a passport which requires you to be a citizen. If the govt had done something when he was a baby or even a toddler then fine but they didn't. They didn't make him apply for citizenship or a visa, they just ignored it and granted him another document reserved for citizens so they should have to live with that.