Canadian aboriginal land dispute turns violent

[selfactivated]

Honey Im going to light a candle for you. There is a great deal of pain in your posts. I live in the states and in MY state we have (I believe) 9 tribes. Ive been to 5 res' ALL very beautiful strolling farmlands. Proud people with strong belief systems and I KNOW in Canada at least 3 Shamans that take nothing from noone. Im NOT saying all Aboriginies are perfect NO ONE group of people have found perfection. But talking about shooting people because you dont agree with them? Thats just sad.

Namaste
Tam

 

[FascistCanuck]

Honey Im going to light a candle for you. There is a great deal of pain in your posts. I live in the states and in MY state we have (I believe) 9 tribes. Ive been to 5 res' ALL very beautiful strolling farmlands. Proud people with strong belief systems and I KNOW in Canada at least 3 Shamans that take nothing from noone. Im NOT saying all Aboriginies are perfect NO ONE group of people have found perfection. But talking about shooting people because you dont agree with them? Thats just sad.

Namaste
Tam

Who said anything about shooting them? I merely point out this would be a show of force. They need to be taught who the master is.
Ah yes. Such a proud people. Taking handouts from the average Canadian taxpayer who actually works for a living, yet still whining about who this is their land and that is their land. It is time the crap ends today. All reservations must be razed to the ground and the 'natives' forced to melt into ordinary Canadian society. To allow the 'natives' their own independence within the borders of a sovereign state is to invite chaos. I abhor chaos. Order is my realm. The 'natives' have been 'paid' for their land many, many, many times over via government handouts (which is actually money from the Canadian people who actually BUILT this country).
Were it up to me, all native land claims would immediately be rendered null and void. The bulldozers of our Canadian Forces would destroy all reservations. The inhabitants of such reservations would be forced to join Canadian society. No more talk of independence. This breeds dissension which in turn breeds disorder. This is contrary to he needs of society as a whole. I cannot allow a tiny group of rabble to exercise the power to affect Canada's economy one iota. As such, the natives are IRRELEVANT. Put me into power and I would render them more so. The days when such an irrelevant people can hold an entire sovereign nation hostage within its own borders (this is terrorism people) must end. By peaceful means if possible but also by force if necessary.

Please be advised the mere fact you are American renders anything you have to say about a Canadian situation moot. See fit to mind your own business if you please. It would be most appreciated. I grow weary of Americans butting into Canada's affairs. Enough is enough. When will you Americans realise we are a sovereign state? We are NOT one of your colonies. We are not one of your 'interests'. We are a proud nation which will not take any more shit from the U.S.A. As a proud Canadian, I would activate 10,000 of our own Canadian Forces troops and place them right against our border with the U.S.A. This would be a message to the U.S.A. which tells your nosy country to 'PISS OFF AND KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF CANADA'.

 

[Jersay]

Hey buddy I am apart of this Canadian military you talk about. And I would rather smush you with a mailed fist then Aboriginal people.

You can kiss my ass.

 

[FascistCanuck]

Hey buddy I am apart of this Canadian military you talk about. And I would rather smush you with a mailed fist then Aboriginal people.

You can kiss my ass.

Naturally were I leader, I would simply have you court-martialled for disobeying orders. You do not serve the whims of the 'natives' who would seek to disrupt Canada's sovereignty. You follow the orders of the government of the day. Under my fascist regime, you either go or you leave the armed forces. Please be advised when you leave, you had better get used to standing behind parallel steel bars and sleeping on a bunk above a big black guy named 'BUBBA'.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Canadian aboriginal l

Define ordinary Canadian society.

 

[Jersay]

So you are a fascist mother f*er are you. Maybe socialists are a minority in Canada but at least there is a smaller minority of MFers like you in Canada.

And einstein how are you going to gain power? Got a party to gain power?

How can you gain power to a nation that is 60-70% leftist in origins, what kill them.

 

[Jersay]

Naturally were I leader, I would simply have you court-martialled for disobeying orders. You do not serve the whims of the 'natives' who would seek to disrupt Canada's sovereignty. You follow the orders of the government of the day. Under my fascist regime, you either go or you leave the armed forces. Please be advised when you leave, you had better get used to standing behind parallel steel bars and sleeping on a bunk above a big black guy named 'BUBBA'.

Do you think any military in this day and age will follow your middle-class, we hate everyone but Anglo-Saxon Fascist regime. If a fascist regime was lead by you especially, I think it would be the only time, the only time in Canadian history that 90% of the Armed forces resign or do a coup.

 

[Nuggler]

Good one Fascist:

After you fix the injuns, gonna have a go at Quebec??

We got more tails waggin the dawgs in Kanadda than we know whut with to do.

Or so it would seem.

Any fellow Scots ancestor Canuks wanna start a protest to get our highlands back from the Brits, gimme a call OK? We might get a couple bucks each. :roll:


:idea:

Woops, dang near forgot the PS: P.S. Fascist; you are in dire need of some serious psychological assistance. Luckily for you, living in Canada, it is free for dippoops as well as the rest of us. Please avail yourself of help ASAP, as you appear ready to implode up your own bum bum.

Heil Clown :!:

Sorry about the language Kreskin, now corrected. Apologies to all the wimmen and kids.

 

[FascistCanuck]

So you are a fascist mother f*er are you. Maybe socialists are a minority in Canada but at least there is a smaller minority of MFers like you in Canada.

And einstein how are you going to gain power? Got a party to gain power?

How can you gain power to a nation that is 60-70% leftist in origins, what kill them.

Ah. You resort to slander. Wonderful. I am aware of the socialist tendencies of our denizens. I will simply be a wolf in sheep's clothing. I will pass myself off as a red liberal and make utterly ridiculous promises to spend, spend, and spend some more. Once in power, I will begin the dissolution of Canada's Parliamentary Democracy. All opposing parties would then be banned. Premiers of our individual provinces will be removed from office and replaced with territorial governors who report directly to Ottawa. Canada will then be transformed from a weak multi-party democracy into a powerful single-party fascist republic.

No more taking crap from 'natives' who seek to committ treasonous acts of terrorism against the Canadian people. No more taking guff from our giant neighbour to the south. The Americans owe us $6 BILLION for duties paid by Canadian businesses in a free-trade zone. They have 'offered' to give us back $5 billion but intend to keep $1 billion. As a fascist, I would not tolerate this bullying by our southern neighbour. I would tell them they are to pay us the full $6 billion PLUS interest that would have otherwise accrued during the period they had first received the monies up to the moment they are to pay us. That could conceivably give us $7.5 billion. Under my fascist regime, if the USA does not co-operate, we simply end immediately all shipments of Canadian oil to them and switch those same shipments to both China and India who are DYING to obtain our oil. We would therefore have the entire USA by the balls. They would have no alternative but to pay us the damn money they owe us. The Americans need to be reminded they literally BEGGED us to sign NAFTA. Now that we have more efficient businesses, they cannot compete properly. Hey, if you cannot play in the game, then get out.

 

[Jersay]

Ah. You resort to slander. Wonderful. I am aware of the socialist tendencies of our denizens. I will simply be a wolf in sheep's clothing. I will pass myself off as a red liberal and make utterly ridiculous promises to spend, spend, and spend some more. Once in power, I will begin the dissolution of Canada's Parliamentary Democracy. All opposing parties would then be banned. Premiers of our individual provinces will be removed from office and replaced with territorial governors who report directly to Ottawa. Canada will then be transformed from a weak multi-party democracy into a powerful single-party fascist republic.

No more taking crap from 'natives' who seek to committ treasonous acts of terrorism against the Canadian people. No more taking guff from our giant neighbour to the south. The Americans owe us $6 BILLION for duties paid by Canadian businesses in a free-trade zone. They have 'offered' to give us back $5 billion but intend to keep $1 billion. As a fascist, I would not tolerate this bullying by our southern neighbour. I would tell them they are to pay us the full $6 billion PLUS interest that would have otherwise accrued during the period they had first received the monies up to the moment they are to pay us. That could conceivably give us $7.5 billion. Under my fascist regime, if the USA does not co-operate, we simply end immediately all shipments of Canadian oil to them and switch those same shipments to both China and India who are DYING to obtain our oil. We would therefore have the entire USA by the balls. They would have no alternative but to pay us the damn money they owe us. The Americans need to be reminded they literally BEGGED us to sign NAFTA. Now that we have more efficient businesses, they cannot compete properly. Hey, if you cannot play in the game, then get out.

It was 5.3 billion not 6 billion and they gave us back 4 billion. But that is not the point. I will have to say with yourt policy you would be the quickest leader in Canadian history.

 

[FascistCanuck]

Good one Fascist:

After you fix the injuns, gonna have a go at Quebec??

We got more tails waggin the dawgs in Kanadda than we know whut with to do.

Or so it would seem.

Any fellow Scots ancestor Canuks wanna start a protest to get our highlands back from the Brits, gimme a call OK? We might get a couple bucks each. :roll:


:idea:

Woops, dang near forgot the PS: P.S. Fascist; you are in dire need of some serious psychological assistance. Luckily for you, living in Canada, it is free for dipshits as well as the rest of us. Please avail yourself of help ASAP, as you appear ready to implode up your own asshole.

Heil Clown :!:

Ah. Funny you should ask about Quebec. Now then. Allow me to begin by reminding everyone Quebec is a CONQUERED territory. By rights it belonged to the British, the founders of this country. As such, my ancestors committed the grave error of allowing the French settlers of Quebec to retain their culture and rights per se. What Wolfe should have done was contact the French homeland and demanded they send ships to remove the French settlers from newly-won British territory. As I cannot undo history, it is up to me to remove the problem.

Under my rule, I would have the Canadian Forces enter into Quebec whereupon I would dissolve Quebec as a Canadian province. I would partition it into two halves. One of those halves will be given to Ontario whilst the other will be given to Labrador. Quebec would cease to exist. The French language would be all but obliterated. Mutliple languages is divisive and therefore a danger to an ordered society. English will become the sole national language. Those who refuse to learn it will be forcefully removed from Canadian soil. I will allow the French who do not speak English a grace period in which they MUST learn English. if they do not, I would seek to deny them the right to find a decent job and the right to any form of government assistance. I will inform them it is a two-way street. You learn English for me and I will increase your rights. You refuse then your rights will all but vanish.

As a result, under my fascist rule, Quebec would cease to exist as an entity. All mention of Quebec will be removed from the hallowed halls of power.

 

[FascistCanuck]

Ah. You resort to slander. Wonderful. I am aware of the socialist tendencies of our denizens. I will simply be a wolf in sheep's clothing. I will pass myself off as a red liberal and make utterly ridiculous promises to spend, spend, and spend some more. Once in power, I will begin the dissolution of Canada's Parliamentary Democracy. All opposing parties would then be banned. Premiers of our individual provinces will be removed from office and replaced with territorial governors who report directly to Ottawa. Canada will then be transformed from a weak multi-party democracy into a powerful single-party fascist republic.

No more taking crap from 'natives' who seek to committ treasonous acts of terrorism against the Canadian people. No more taking guff from our giant neighbour to the south. The Americans owe us $6 BILLION for duties paid by Canadian businesses in a free-trade zone. They have 'offered' to give us back $5 billion but intend to keep $1 billion. As a fascist, I would not tolerate this bullying by our southern neighbour. I would tell them they are to pay us the full $6 billion PLUS interest that would have otherwise accrued during the period they had first received the monies up to the moment they are to pay us. That could conceivably give us $7.5 billion. Under my fascist regime, if the USA does not co-operate, we simply end immediately all shipments of Canadian oil to them and switch those same shipments to both China and India who are DYING to obtain our oil. We would therefore have the entire USA by the balls. They would have no alternative but to pay us the damn money they owe us. The Americans need to be reminded they literally BEGGED us to sign NAFTA. Now that we have more efficient businesses, they cannot compete properly. Hey, if you cannot play in the game, then get out.

It was 5.3 billion not 6 billion and they gave us back 4 billion. But that is not the point. I will have to say with yourt policy you would be the quickest leader in Canadian history.

Not at all true. It was $6 billion. The USA went to court over NAFTA again and it ended up going down. The Canadian government worked it out to Canada being owed exactly $6 billion. Do remember how powerful the U.S.A. is. They wrangled it down to about $5.5 billion. You say they gave us back $4 billion? Nope. They have not. You miss MY point. They should return the amount in FULL. They have ADMITTED they are in the wrong. So why are we agreeing to an amount THEY have dictated to us? We have surrendered our sovereignty in this manner. Canada should have said to the U.S.A. 'LISTEN UP ASSHOLE, PAY US THE $6 BILLION AND THE ACCRUED INTEREST OR WE START SHIFTING OUR OIL EXPORTS TO CHINA AND INDIA. YOUR ALASKA PIPELINE WILL BE BLOCKED FROM THE NORTHERN PART OF BC'S BORDER TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION. WE HAVE THAT RIGHT AS IT IS ON OUR LAND. GIVE US THE MONEY NOW BITCHES OR YOUR LACK OF OIL SHIPMENTS FROM CANADA END COMPLETELY THUS DESTROYING YOUR ECONOMY. CALL IT BITCH.

 

[Jersay]

Funny thing, that is a similar thing, at least Tax the oil that the NDP wanted to do.

 

[Kreskin]

Watch the language you guys. There are women and children around here.

 

[Johnny Utah]

So the non-natives are just as criminal as the natives. Why thank you Johnny boy for stating that clearly for us. So I hope to see the whole Caledonia town be shipped off for breaking the law like you state about the native Johnny Boy.

Get bent, its their land, and if they have to protest over it it is their right as is the right of non-natives to peacefully protest.

Last time I checked the only ones going around with weapons were non native shits so your argument holds no water.

But I do hope your non-native boys, and Corporals non-native boys do something real stupid. I hope they do. Because the world is watching and they will see which is the peaceful force and which isn't.

If you read the whole post by the Corporal he was exposing the Hypocrisy by the Natives when they had the tables turned on them and the poor natives didn't like that now did they? Well to Fing bad, sucks to be Criminals like them.

 

[Jersay]

Well the people you support are just as many criminals. They are the ones with the weapons.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Well the people you support are just as many criminals. They are the ones with the weapons.

Everyone of those Natives who were breaking the Law should have been arrested right away. Tearing up the road, setting up blockades, setting Fires assaulting Police Officers those are Criminal Acts..

 

[FascistCanuck]

Funny thing, that is a similar thing, at least Tax the oil that the NDP wanted to do.

The NDP?? Ah. That explains a few things. We have a bona-fide SOCIALIST on our hands. Wonderful. The same wonderful people who almost single-handedly destroyed Ontario. You would I should listen to a pinko weak-kneed socialist about fixing what ails Canada? You socialists are PART OF THE PROBLEM.

You would suggest taxing the oil? What good would that do? The Americans would simply not pay it. You do understand that you are in effect dealing with the most-powerful economy in world history when one speaks of the USA? No, no. You need to be tough. Tax the oil and they will simply laugh. Keep it from them altogether and they will panic and be forced to accede to our demands. The Americans would never take crap from socialists. That much I can guarantee. With a fascist government in power, the USA would know we mean business.

 

[FascistCanuck]

Well the people you support are just as many criminals. They are the ones with the weapons.

Everyone of those Natives who were breaking the Law should have been arrested right away. Tearing up the road, setting up blockades, setting Fires assaulting Police Officers those are Criminal Acts..

Absolutely correct. In fact, they are TERRORIST acts. Seems they attacked an Ontario Hydro plant. Did you not notice the hydro equipment they used as part of their blockade? Ah! The nerve! Using government property to protest on government land!! The sheer nerve! As a fascist, I would consider this a slap in the face and a terrorist act. There is absolutely no doubt I would have a force of at least 10 Leopard I tanks rolling over the very same barricade.

 

[FiveParadox]

FascistCanuck[/i]]Absolutely correct. In fact, they are TERRORIST acts. Seems they attacked an Ontario Hydro plant. Did you not notice the hydro equipment they used as part of their blockade? Ah! The nerve! Using government property to protest on government land!! The sheer nerve! As a fascist, I would consider this a slap in the face and a terrorist act. There is absolutely no doubt I would have a force of at least 10 Leopard I tanks rolling over the very same barricade.

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FascistCanuck, with due respect, of course, I would not be convinced that the situation occurring in the Province of Ontario in relation to the protests of Native Canadians, would satisfy the definition of "terrorism" under Section 83.01(1)(b)(i)(B) of An Act respecting the Criminal Law (more intimately known, of course, as the Criminal Code of Canada).

I don't think that these protests are being made with any overt attempt to threaten public security (some of the things being done in concurrence with these protests is, of course, unlawful, but not a threat to security, in my opinion), nor do I think that it would be correct to suggest that there is any appropriate evidence that this protest is being made in an effort to force the Government of Canada into performing any particular action. Therefore, I don't think that the term "terrorism" would apply in this instance.

I am convinced that a peaceful solution can be found.