Canada to admit nearly 1 million immigrants over next 3 years

White_Unifier

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So you want to replace our trades with foreign trades people. And you want laws that mandate the the foreign trades people must make minimum wage.

That is a real douchebag thing to do.

No, they must be paid at least minimum wage. Who'd be stupid enough to take minimum wage when he can earn more.
 

Vbeacher

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No, they must be paid at least minimum wage. Who'd be stupid enough to take minimum wage when he can earn more.

Minimum wage workers pay no income tax. Plus, while you wouldn't give these people benefits, you'd soon find lots and lots of Canadians having to go on pogey and welfare unable to find jobs and compete with the desperation of the foreigners from the third world who would undercut their own wage demands. Thus even people earning decent salaries now could easily find themselves 'underbid' so to speak by a mass of foreigners willing to do the same job for much less. There would be a general downward trend in wages.

Another aspect you're ignoring are remittances. Most temporary foreign workers send as much of their wages 'home' as they can, which is a clear economic loss to Canada. Even immigrants tend to send money home to their families.

Why are we increasing immigration again?

A second study in less than a week has concluded that there is no labour shortage in Canada, nor is one expected to arrive in the next few decades. A study published Friday by a University of Lethbridge professor echoes results of a report by the federal government’s Parliamentary Budget Office released Tuesday — both conclude there are more than enough workers on a national basis in Canada to fill available jobs.

Study debunks Canadian labour shortage

Dire warnings of a widespread Canadian labour crisis and a “lost generation” of young workers have been overblown, according to a market analysis by TD Economics. Deputy chief economist Derek Burleton says demographic and economic shifts may be hitting young workers particularly hard, but he doesn’t believe projections of across-the-board labour shortages and skills gaps.

Skills Gap, Labour Shortage Fears Overblown: TD Bank
 

Durry

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Minimum wage workers pay no income tax. Plus, while you wouldn't give these people benefits, you'd soon find lots and lots of Canadians having to go on pogey and welfare unable to find jobs and compete with the desperation of the foreigners from the third world who would undercut their own wage demands. Thus even people earning decent salaries now could easily find themselves 'underbid' so to speak by a mass of foreigners willing to do the same job for much less. There would be a general downward trend in wages.

Another aspect you're ignoring are remittances. Most temporary foreign workers send as much of their wages 'home' as they can, which is a clear economic loss to Canada. Even immigrants tend to send money home to their families.

You're correct, another aspect of immigrants is that very few of those who accumulate money in Canada, or have it before they come here, never declare it for income tax purposes, i.e. they don't declare interest income on tax returns, they keep it out of the country so they don't have to pay our income tax.
 

Jinentonix

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Wow this thread exploded.

You guys are really triggered by immigration.
Nah, some of us are actually able to discuss this topic intelligently, rationally and like adults. Go back to the sandbox with the rest of the kiddies. We'll let you know when it's juice time.

No, I don't agree with fascism.
Really? Are you sure about that? You sure seem to have a major f*cking problem with freedom of speech/expression. You sure seem to think violence is the way to deal with people who don't agree with your nonsense. And you clearly support an obvious fascist group in antifa.

But nahhhh, you don't agree with fascism. You just fully support its machinations.
 

MHz

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No, they must be paid at least minimum wage. Who'd be stupid enough to take minimum wage when he can earn more.
Probably the guy with a big student loan to pay off and all the jobs in his field are full and there are 3,000 looking for the jobs that aren't there. Perhaps a new course called 'homesteading' would be an alternative to minimum wage.

The lakes in Manitoba could take in that many and nobody would notice. Fishing might be better business venture than farming the muskeg.
 

White_Unifier

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Minimum wage workers pay no income tax. Plus, while you wouldn't give these people benefits, you'd soon find lots and lots of Canadians having to go on pogey and welfare unable to find jobs and compete with the desperation of the foreigners from the third world who would undercut their own wage demands. Thus even people earning decent salaries now could easily find themselves 'underbid' so to speak by a mass of foreigners willing to do the same job for much less. There would be a general downward trend in wages.

Another aspect you're ignoring are remittances. Most temporary foreign workers send as much of their wages 'home' as they can, which is a clear economic loss to Canada. Even immigrants tend to send money home to their families.

Why are we increasing immigration again?

A second study in less than a week has concluded that there is no labour shortage in Canada, nor is one expected to arrive in the next few decades. A study published Friday by a University of Lethbridge professor echoes results of a report by the federal government’s Parliamentary Budget Office released Tuesday — both conclude there are more than enough workers on a national basis in Canada to fill available jobs.

Study debunks Canadian labour shortage

Dire warnings of a widespread Canadian labour crisis and a “lost generation” of young workers have been overblown, according to a market analysis by TD Economics. Deputy chief economist Derek Burleton says demographic and economic shifts may be hitting young workers particularly hard, but he doesn’t believe projections of across-the-board labour shortages and skills gaps.

Skills Gap, Labour Shortage Fears Overblown: TD Bank

so just have a higher minimum wage for immigrants. That would limit them to higher-paying jobs.

Also, I have news for you. Canadians who work abroad send their money back home too. Ever hear of reciprocity? Also, not being free to do what one wants with his money beyond committing a crime seems a little Bolshevik to me.

And if you raise the minimum wage, then only Canadian skilled workers would be competing with foreigners. This would foce prices down in the tech and other high-earning industries which would benefit consumers. Free markets I like.
 

Hoid

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in Canada you pay 15% on your first $40 some odd thousand of income.

it doesn't matter who you are

even a welfare check has tax deducted
 

Hoid

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https://settlement.org/ontario/dail...e/taxes/how-much-income-tax-do-i-have-to-pay/

Federal tax rates for the 2017 tax year
15% on taxable income of C$45,916 or less
20.5% on taxable income between C$45,916 and C$91,831
26% on taxable income between C$91,832 and C$142,353
29% on taxable income between C$142,354 and $202,800
33% on taxable income over $202,800

So is this "minimum wage earners pay no taxes" one of these fake news things I keep hearing about?
 

mentalfloss

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Nah, some of us are actually able to discuss this topic intelligently, rationally and like adults. Go back to the sandbox with the rest of the kiddies. We'll let you know when it's juice time.

Really? Are you sure about that? You sure seem to have a major f*cking problem with freedom of speech/expression. You sure seem to think violence is the way to deal with people who don't agree with your nonsense. And you clearly support an obvious fascist group in antifa.

But nahhhh, you don't agree with fascism. You just fully support its machinations.

Not at all.

I'm fine with removing censorship in many facets, especially art/media.
 

MHz

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Uh no. No it doesn't.
It does have banking fees though so it ends up in the same place. Overdraft fees seem a bit high really as does the $1 to e-transfer. Based on the yearly cost that is 'taxes' that only the poor pay.
If immigration is run like Indian Affairs it is money destined to end up as bribes or just stolen outright. (almost plain sight).
If they are being 'rescued' give each person their own debit card and for the under 18 the parents or the school can take care of the meals. We can practice on the people living on the Rez as the rate now is most goes to admin frees rather than to the names on the list. The Rez stores would be be bushing stuff from Sears at prices that match Walmart.
We get our cut because the moving part is still something we control and the consumers take it away from the store and deliver it to the non-residents for a small fee. (making them richer through corruption rather than poorer. The outside community benefits unless you are Walmart and then you get the people who don't drive)

Not at all.

I'm fine with removing censorship in many facets, especially art/media.

I'm fine with removing censorship. Liars are welcome but they get picked on so they don't stay long. How do you censor honesty?
 

Jinentonix

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Of course.

This idea that I'm all of a sudden a fascist because I don't like Nazis is hilarious.
Oh, you mean like how anyone who agrees with free speech is a nazi? Yep, free speech has been one of the hallmarks of Western civilization. The fact that you suddenly have a problem with it because of Trump is far more hilarious than your delusion that you're being called a fascist because you don't like nazis.

We call you a fascist because you're a fascist. You hate free speech. You also don't debate, you just attack those who disagree with you. You approve of antifa's fascist tactics even when not being used against nazis. You sure seem to think that the right to protest involves stuff like assault, arson, destruction of personal and private property, blocking traffic and denial of basic civil rights, but only for those you agree with.
Oh, and as for your other heroes at Berkeley? Creating a threatening atmosphere for those who's speech you oppose is fascism. And yet you ardently agreed with the Berkeley fascists' "right" to do just that.

Face it bud, you're a fascist. There's no getting around it.
 

taxslave

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https://settlement.org/ontario/dail...e/taxes/how-much-income-tax-do-i-have-to-pay/

Federal tax rates for the 2017 tax year
15% on taxable income of C$45,916 or less
20.5% on taxable income between C$45,916 and C$91,831
26% on taxable income between C$91,832 and C$142,353
29% on taxable income between C$142,354 and $202,800
33% on taxable income over $202,800

So is this "minimum wage earners pay no taxes" one of these fake news things I keep hearing about?

If you nhad ever filed an income tax return you would see there are all kinds of credits that lower taxable income so the poor get all their income tax and often more back. Therefore they are not paying their fair share.People on welfare have a better benefit package than all the working poor.