True. But we will see costs of fossil fuels rise more steeply in areas where alternatives are available, like the transit levy in the GVRD.
Canada PLANS increased cuts to carbon emissions to 40% by 2030
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Or just improve transit to make it an attractive alternative. When I worked and will work again downtown I do take transit. The commute is unpleasant and takes about 1.25 - 1.5 hours. If I drove, it would be about 35 minutes. For some people, regardless of the cost, that is worth the extra cost. I also live in Toronto which has a transit system in place. How many cities in Canada have any form or rapid transit? The ones without would have an experience much worse. Again, cost is not going to affect 90% of the people. The ones which you are affecting are the working poor outside metro areas who have no viable alternative. Once you have the alternatives in place and attractive then and only then will a carbon tax be a viable alternative as anything more than a tax grab,
In Canada, we're jsut getting started on carbon taxation, and that's because alternatives are few at the moment. Countries that have reported carbon taxation as successful in reducing fossil fuel use report that the taxation rate had to approach the equivalent of $200/tonne to achieve that success. I think we are hitting $50/tonne in 2022, but are targeting $170/tonne by 2030. The tax is meant to hurt, we are having GHG emissions reduction forced upon us because so few were reducing voluntarily. Whether or not we need to reduce is no longer up for debate, that conversation is over for all but the most stubborn.
In the larger picture, if everybody in Canada stopped breathing and we turned off all our devices and emitted 0 carbon, we would save the world 1.5% of the world's carbon. Now if EVERYONE in the world was doing the same thing, I might be more willing to buy your argument that it is necessary. But we all know the biggest 2 polluters are doing diddly squat and the 3rd only seems to do anything in 4 or 8 year mandates.
Also how do you know people were not reducing voluntarily? I think overall energy use is increasing but some people may have chosen to take the bus to work. I don't think you can know how much it would have been if people didn't give a damn. It's a convenient talking point for the Taxer In Charge though to justify the revenue stream.
Also, if they truly want to make this work, they better start spending this revenue on vast improvements to the power grid for all the EVs they want people to switch to. And not solar panels or wind farms. Stop the whining and power on some more nuclear reactors. Of the 3 workhorse power sources (hydro, coal and nuclear) it is the only one really viable to increase capacity.
Personally, they should be focusing more on hybird vehicles. And easier transition than to pure EV at least right now with the EVs shortcomings.
Which countries ? Germany , they are firing up mothballed coal plants to power their economy , how is the green shift working there ?
In Canada, we are geographically isolated from the rest of the planet with the exception of the USA (which is a combination of our largest trade partner and competitor in trade, and is 10 times the size of us population wise), so we HAVE to be competitive with them in trade without creating artificial trade hurdles for ourselves.
Where is the USA on the Carbon Tax front at this point with respect to having a level playing field (or even a sleight advantage to help compensate for the population difference) with our largest trade partner? We kind of have to March in step with America or we snuff ourselves out and become an economic basket case.
Should we let those who don't take any measure of responsibility for emissions reduction affect our decisions ? Is there any validity in the "He's not doing it so why should I ?" argument ?
Maybe not shoot ourselves in the feet for photo ops and virtue signalling . Solar power is great in the artic four months of the year the rest needs diesel . Shit we can’t even find fresh water in many northern locations yet you think we can reduce our collective carbon footprint . You do realize we are committing to bring in 500,000 immigrants a year from poorer countries , these people are coming to Canada to participate in our wonderful life style . They will want everything we have now , cell phones computers , vehicles all the beautiful appliances that are made with and use fossil fuels . You are being played if you think the government is serious about reducing our carbon footprint , shit look at Trudeau burning jet fuel like it is nothing , gallivanting around the world getting his picture taken , flying out to B.C. to cry at the native cemetery .
In this case, to a certain extent, YES! We are not some European country bordering on six other countries. We are physically connected to ONE Country that is 10 times the size of us. Every other nation on the planet is separated from us by an ocean (Pacific, Atlantic, or Arctic).
This is not one of those situations where you try to coach your teenager with, “If little Johnny jumped off a bridge would you also?” type logic.
We could get the framework in place, and get the process started, and wait for our largest and only physically connected trading partner to catch up… but racing to $170/ton before the USA does anything isn’t just foolhardy, it’s Felony reckless and economically retarded. Unless we’re somewhat in step with the US on this matter, we’re setting ourselves up for economic turmoil and to what end? So that Justin Trudeau can have a Woke legacy and perhaps a seat on a UN Climate Panel after he’s done playing with Canada’s future and reputation?
Definition of RETARD
to delay or impede the development or progress of : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment; to become delayed : to undergo retardation… See the full definition
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No amount of Woke posturing changes the geographical reality with respect to our location on the globe or our climatic and population differences between the US & Canada.
Hope not, but there are a lot of clueless people support both parties. Canada has become a nation of freeloaders, content to live off their grandkids future.
Nor can it change the fact that not all Canadians live in major metropolitan areas .In this case, to a certain extent, YES! We are not some European country bordering on six other countries. We are physically connected to ONE Country that is 10 times the size of us. Every other nation on the planet is separated from us by an ocean (Pacific, Atlantic, or Arctic).
This is not one of those situations where you try to coach your teenager with, “If little Johnny jumped off a bridge would you also?” type logic.
We could get the framework in place, and get the process started, and wait for our largest and only physically connected trading partner to catch up… but racing to $170/ton before the USA does anything isn’t just foolhardy, it’s Felony reckless and economically retarded. Unless we’re somewhat in step with the US on this matter, we’re setting ourselves up for economic turmoil and to what end? So that Justin Trudeau can have a Woke legacy and perhaps a seat on a UN Climate Panel after he’s done playing with Canada’s future and reputation?
Definition of RETARD
to delay or impede the development or progress of : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment; to become delayed : to undergo retardation… See the full definition
No amount of Woke posturing changes the geographical reality with respect to our location on the globe or our climatic and population differences between the US & Canada.
Pretty much makes the carbon tax scam useless for anything other than a cash cow. As it has been since day 1.It's happening
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Canada’s main oil-producing province Alberta on Thursday selected six proposals to move forward with developing Canada’s first carbon storage hubs, intended to help cut climate-warming emissions by permanently sequestering them underground.
Alberta picks six proposals to develop Canada's first carbon storage hubs
CALGARY — Canada’s main oil-producing province Alberta on Thursday selected six proposals to move forward with developing Canada’s first carbon storage hubs, intend…financialpost.com
Well what did the grandkids ever do for me ? Come on man .
90% of Canada's population lives within 150 miles of the US border, so the talking point of northern populations being so hard done by is just that, a talking point. As is the oft heard lament that we will have to live without all the uses of fossil fuels that do not involve burning the stuff and thus do not make a huge contribution to GHG emissions. Our biggest obstacle to progress in this area is people who resist change even in the face of irreparable harm. What can you do ? Hell, lots of people still smoke cigarettes at $15 a pack.
Our “Average” climatic values compared to the “Average” climatic values of our one & only physically connected trade partner (Who has more than 10 times the population of our semi-Arctic nation) even with 90% of the Canadian population living within 240kms our one shared border, are very different.
There’s the reality of that talking point.
For all intents & purposes the NWT & Yukon & Nunavut have a combined population of about 60,000 people….so yeah, it’s basically empty…but it doesn’t change the fact that those 60,000 people aren’t going to survive a Canadian winter with windmills and solar panels and unicorn farts and wishful thinking and electric cars and photo ops by politicians. They need Av-Gas & Diesel fuel or they need to vacate the northern 3/4’s of the country.
It also doesn’t change the fact that Canada is a (outside of Vancouver & Toronto & Montreal) huge country that is geographically spread out, & it’s cold here a significant portion of the year.
Look at the Trans-Canada Highway. Look at the distance from Vancouver to Calgary, or Calgary to Regina, or Regina to Winnipeg, or Winnipeg to Etc…(you see where I’m going here?)…just the movement of goods or people alone within a reasonable & functional timeframe is beyond the technical & physical capacity or any current technology without fossil fuel now or by whatever arbitrary but Woke dates thrown out by our current Liberal NDP Clown Posse are unrealistic and unobtainable without crashing the fruit stand (& the national economy with it).
Justin & Jagmeet have had their photo ops, and will get their pensions, and have out-Lefted each other and should both get their participation ribbons. Kudos…but it’s time to get some adults back in place to govern our nation before it’s completely f*cked into a multi-generational financial hole while it’s still salvageable.
The U.S. border is pretty long , there are lots of remote areas along that border , and even more within 150 miles .
And you are taking at face value that cutting greenhouse emissions will do anything to change the climate , or stop the climate changing . And even if cutting emissions will change the climate , are you sure you want what it changes too ?
Do you know the story of the beaver and the Cariboo region ? That little rodent did more to change the local climate then all the emission reductions combined .