Canada needs to boost home building by 50 per cent to keep up with immigration, report says

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well that would mean our population would decline.' And that's a serious problem for several reasons. It's not like we're replacing ourselves.

BUT - seriously restricting immigrtation for a couple of years might help and give a kickstart without doing TOO much damage provided you were very specific about who you did let in and if they were excellent choices to fill our worst labour shortages.

But it woudln't do much moving forward unless some of those other critical changes happened. The problem has just gotten too large.
Who says we have to replace ourselves ? What is wrong with only 30,000,000 Canadians ? If we curtailed immigration would we adapt and produce more offspring or continue to under produce ? Do we have these answers , does any one care ?
 

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Who says we have to replace ourselves ? What is wrong with only 30,000,000 Canadians ? If we curtailed immigration would we adapt and produce more offspring or continue to under produce ? Do we have these answers , does any one care ?
Many things are based financially & functionally on the concept of a population pyramid with the elderly at the top being the pointy end….like OAS. Without the wide base, & an ever thickening top portion (aging population that isn’t dying fast enough) it’ll collapse the health care and pension industries.

Think of it like insurance. If everyone that pays insurance premiums tries to collect on it in a short amount of time, what happens? No more insurance, or skyrocket rates.

Now if people are living longer, and not even replacing themselves population wise, leaving less & less people to do the work & keep paying the bills on the wide end of the pyramid….who’s going to buy the TP let alone wipe your butt when you’re no longer able to?

The solution might be, if immigration isn’t the answer & we’re not only not maintaining but decreasing our population as we go along, maybe a population purge like “Logan’s Run” or a more effective COVID 19.
In the above movie, the premise was they’d just put a cap in your arse at the age of Thirty.

Without a growing base to the population pyramid, and people living so long, at what age do we start snuffing out the elderly? 65? 50? 35? Got to be somewhere before retirement age at least.
 
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Many things are based financially & functionally on the concept of a population pyramid with the elderly at the top being the pointy end….like OAS. Without the wide base, & an ever thickening top portion (aging population that isn’t dying fast enough) it’ll collapse the health care and pension industries.

Think of it like insurance. If everyone that pays insurance premiums tries to collect on it in a short amount of time, what happens? No more insurance, or skyrocket rates.

Now if people are living longer, and not even replacing themselves population wise, leaving less & less people to do the work & keep paying the bills on the wide end of the pyramid….who’s going to buy the TP let alone wipe your butt when you’re no longer able to?

The solution might be, if immigration isn’t the answer & we’re not only not maintaining but decreasing our population as we go along, maybe a population purge like “Logan’s Run” or a more effective COVID 19.
In the above movie, the premise was they’d just put a cap in your arse at the age of Thirty.

Without a growing base to the population pyramid, and people living so long, at what age do we start snuffing out the elderly? 65? 50? 35? Got to be somewhere before retirement age at least.
That will have to become the answer if every aspect of life is predicated on unlimited growth .
 
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We aren’t living in 1850 when one could just register a piece of property and build what they wanted . An immigrant carpenter in 2023 does not have this advantage .
Or were just given land like the ukrainan and russian migrants in the early 1900's.

And unfortunately they take up a home until they build the first one even if they are builders.

It just can't solve the problem the way things are right now. Much would have to change. And nothing is going to for the next three years which means we'll be about 4 - 5 hundred thousand homes short before a new gov't can even get in, possibly closer to a million depending on whether or not there's still strong growth in the immigration numbers.

So what happens when the bottom 20 percent of our population cannot afford a place to live at all and can't find one even if they could? And when the economy turns and work is harder to find. And tonnes of newer canadians are clumped together in districts of the major metros and struggling. What does that look like for Canada
 

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That will have to become the answer if every aspect of life is predicated on unlimited growth .
It is at the moment. It doesn't need to be forever necessarily but we're no where even remotely close to being at that point. But while you can get by with a stable population under certain conditions you really can't with a shrinking one. (the exception being very sudden decreases provided they don't go to far. Usually from war or pandemic etc And not a wussy assed one like covid, but a real pandemic).

And because it's hard to hit that precisely we'll probably have at least moderate immigration for quite some time.
 

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Or were just given land like the ukrainan and russian migrants in the early 1900's.

And unfortunately they take up a home until they build the first one even if they are builders.

It just can't solve the problem the way things are right now. Much would have to change. And nothing is going to for the next three years which means we'll be about 4 - 5 hundred thousand homes short before a new gov't can even get in, possibly closer to a million depending on whether or not there's still strong growth in the immigration numbers.

So what happens when the bottom 20 percent of our population cannot afford a place to live at all and can't find one even if they could? And when the economy turns and work is harder to find. And tonnes of newer canadians are clumped together in districts of the major metros and struggling. What does that look like for Canada
Well, the non-socialist view is "let the market take care of it."
 

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We arent building anymore, nobody is dying, rural areas are still in decline and its impossible to find accommodations anywhere.

Out of touch with reality.
 

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Well, the non-socialist view is "let the market take care of it."
But we don't of course, and that's the problem. We have excessive restrictions and regulation at a number of levels that interferes with the natural market forces to the point where they're not effective in addressing the supply/demand equasions as they should be.

Obviously development planning is important and there should be some gov't input into what gets built where and when and tying that into the infrastructure but in the vast majority of jurisdictions the regulation is excessive, extremely slow, and retards the process of building homes to the point where it's not possible to catch up.
 

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Thats two...one more to go. Keep it coming.
Oh look, you're threatening people who disagree with you to ban them again. That's the kind of person you are. You insult people, attack them, and if they respond you threaten and ban them.

Mr Putin? Is that you?

Hey - if you're dick is SOOOO small that the only way you can cope is to try to insult and attack people then make yourself feel big by banning them if they call you out on it, and you feel like demonstrating that to EVERYONE, well i guess that's a choice you'll have to make. Bout don't insult me and then threaten to ban me for insulting your ass back. Either prove to the world you're a loser and just do it or grow a pair and man up if someone you insulted insults you back.

What was your last official reason for banning me? Was it "no insults" or anything like that? No - it was "Suck a dick". Yeah, you're a real defender of the rules mr banhammer. If you can't take being insulted back then just don't talk to me. Pretty simple.

If you are so insecure and such a loser that you can't feel good unelss you ban me, i guess you'll have to do what you'll have to do. But at the end of the day every time you log on you'll know in your heart you're the kind of wussy loser who can only feel good about himself by being a bully. Every. Single. Time you'll have to think about the fact that's how everyone sees that kind of person. And that you were too stupid to actually debate something and that "cancelling" people who disagreed with you was your only way to cope.
 

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I've read the rules. Which rule are you refering to exaclty. You can't say you've fairly warned me' about anything if you've never actually mentioned which rule you feel i'm in violation of. Watching your behavior i can't see anything i'm doing differently - by all means point it out. I"m pretty sure "Suck a dick" which was your last reason isn't an official rule.
 

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I've read the rules. Which rule are you refering to exaclty. You can't say you've fairly warned me' about anything if you've never actually mentioned which rule you feel i'm in violation of. Watching your behavior i can't see anything i'm doing differently - by all means point it out. I"m pretty sure "Suck a dick" which was your last reason isn't an official rule.
I should ignore other member's complaints about you or this is all about me?
 

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I should ignore other member's complaints about you or this is all about me?
Couldn't mention a single rule i'm breaking huh? well - that does sound like it's all about you. And if there WERE complaints (which i seriously doubt) then the correct thing to do is come to me when they complain and say "hey - we've had a compliant and here's how i'd like to see things change". Not wait till i disagree with you in an argument and then PRETEND it's about someone else. You've only banned me or threatened to when i'm in a fight with YOU - so lets not pretend it's about someone else's complaint

Oh - and just looking at the reaction scores people appreciate my posts a hell of a lot more than yours. So i doubt there's hordes of people complaining.

now - which of these rules have i broken that you don't, just so I know what we're talking about.
 

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I asked a question - which rule have i broken. You said you've given me 'warning' but never mentioned it.

And i told you how to deal with "complaints". You have never once ever communicated that there was any kind of complaint from anyone else so you certainly haven't given any 'warning' in that regard.

And if this is about other members why is it ONLY when you're in a fight with me that you're losing that you threaten bans? Why wouldn't you threaten it in regards to what they claimed?

So is what you're saying i've never broken a rule that you can identify? You seem awfully reluctant to mention the rule considering you've said i've violated it.
 

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So you agree i've never broken a rule. Or at least not one you break daily yourself. This is all about you.

Well there you go. Enough of your bullshit threats then.

If anyone complains and you feel it's legitimate then you PM me and we'll discuss it. That's what a mod does. But as you've admitted no rules have been broken that are enforced here so that's the end of that.