Canada, dump the crown and become a republic? (poll)

[DurkaDurka]

RE: Canada, dump the crow

Canada is a Nation of it's own, we do not need oversight from GB. Does Canada have such an inferiority complex that we cannot chart are own way?

 

[FiveParadox]

I'm not sure what you're suggesting, DurkaDurka.

Her Majesty, in relation to Canada, is recognized as the Queen of Canada.

While we recognize her authority over the United Kingdom, that isn't relevent to her duties in relation to our own nation. She, and other members of the Royal Family, are Canadian subjects for our purposes.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Canada, dump the crow

I think I went a wee bit OTT there ITN, basically, cut out all the rubbish and generally I just meant, "okay, okay, get rid of the monarchy, but it's a monarchy that the "common man" had really no say in, and who is actually german"

cheers

 

[#juan]

Canada is a Nation of it's own, we do not need oversight from GB. Does Canada have such an inferiority complex that we cannot chart are own way?

And having the monarchy keeps us from "charting our own way" how?

How does the monarchy keep us from doing anything we want?

I think wanting to dump the monarchy is a symptom of an inferiority complex.

Any "oversight from GB is purely ceremonial, a part of tradition.

 

[Nuggler]

Re: RE: Canada, dump the crow

Canada is a Nation of it's own, we do not need oversight from GB. Does Canada have such an inferiority complex that we cannot chart are own way?

:? I say old chap, bit of a knot in the garters eh wot 8O

Canada has been doing a pretty good job of charting her own way for well over 100 years now.

Personally, I'll take "peace, order, and good government" over the wild west anytime. We have relative peace, and order. The good government may take a bit more time. By good government I mean government with the greater good of the people in mind when laws are passed.

Unfortunately such debacles as the cancellation of the Arrow under Dief, and the sponsorship scandal under unohoo might be considered two examples of how good government is lacking. Quite a few more examples come to mind, but space is insufficient.

That being said, how is the entity of a republic by itself going to implement good government? France has one. Don't think I want to live in France at present. The U.S. has one. Take a gander at Nixon, Regan, Bush,(both 1 and 2) Ain't that republic doin well :roll:
If anything smacks of "let them eat cake" its the machinations of the trolls in power in the US at present. God help the American people for at least the next 5 generations. Broke and looted by leaders of a "republic"

Nope, parliamentary democracy looks not too bad so far, even with the pimples and battle scars.. Mein Harper is going to try and foist a 4 year governance term on us, and will try to do his worst to change us to a "republic". I sincerely hope people think a bit before allowing this. Even with Queenie being a "head of state" and Dukie being a royal pain in the ass, they are only trappings of a fading past which will probably die out when the British are truly tired of them.

Y'think

:?: :?

 

[The conductor]

RE: Canada, dump the crow

If you dump the crown, then what? American style republic or do you have something else in mind.
Do you want a President, then a Prime Minister?
What kind of election system would you want?
The monarchy has been in Canada along time, why the sudden change. I would not want to snuggle up to our American neighbours too much. There style of politics are not the best for Canada.

 

[tamarin]

The monarchy in its present role in Canada certainly isn't much of an imposition . It's a gentle and respectful reminder of the past. In the same way that war memorials and RD ceremonies are. We do have a past. It is worth remembering. As the Old Canada fades, the veterans are forgotten, the links to our British heritage frayed, I should hope we have more respect than the recent revellers in Ottawa.

 

[Machjo]

I'm not at all a traditionalist per se, but I do see advantages in a non-political head of state.

Let's take a concrete example' the Weimar Republic. Due to the Great Depression combined with the Treaty of Versaie, the Germans were humiliated, out of work, poor, you name it. So they started to turn to extremist parties, both right and left. Unfortunately, with a democratically elected president, it was easy to dispose of him based simply on "the will of the people". After all, they'd voted the Nazis in for crying out loud! How much more democratic can you get than that? Now had the president not been elected but rather held a position of sovereign above and beyond the will of the people, he could have possibly had the power to prevent the Nazis from taking power. After all, don't forget that the Nazis had been voted into minority government pocition a few times, each election giving it more desperate votes. Yet because the president was elected himself, his intervention could have been viewed as unappreciated by the people who'd voted for the Nazis. An appointed soverign however, wouldn't worry about that 'cause he's beyond the reach of the people anyway.

In Canada likewise, we had a rise in both fascism and communism in teh 30's. The UK witnessed the same thing. But the UK was saved by the conservatives and Labour party who could take votes away from teh two extremes. Canada likewise with the CCF and Conservatives. But let's say there was no conservative party at that time. Then the fascists could potentially have taken Canada. Or if there was no CCF, the communists could have. If the executive is elected, then the extremists could have taken that position too, but with a king or queen, he/she could have easily refused to dissolve a minority parliament due to the turmoil of the time. This applies to both the UK and Canada.

Now let's say the same thing should have happenned in the US. The president himself would have been vulnerable to the whims of a desperate populace of the time. And who's to say the economic crisis of the 30's couldn't meet a parallel in the future, with Islamophobia, or some other boogie man taking over just like anti-semitism and such in the 30's?

I say keep the monarchy, even if I'm not a traditionalist.

 

[Colpy]

As an aside, my father-in-law was born in the USA. His mother came to Canada when he was a toddler. He joined the Canadian Army in 1939, went overseas in 1941. He returned in 1946 as a RSM.

A very good man, although it was a LONG time before we saw eye-to-eye.

Anyway, he was an American citizen until the 1960s.

When he died last year, he requested that the flag beside his coffin (put there by the Legion) be the UNION JACK! He said he fought for King and Country, and that is how he wanted it remembered.

I was surprized.

I don't think the British connection is dead yet.

 

[Machjo]

Re: RE: Canada, dump the crown and become a republic? (poll)

As an aside, my father-in-law was born in the USA. His mother came to Canada when he was a toddler. He joined the Canadian Army in 1939, went overseas in 1941. He returned in 1946 as a RSM.

A very good man, although it was a LONG time before we saw eye-to-eye.

Anyway, he was an American citizen until the 1960s.

When he died last year, he requested that the flag beside his coffin (put there by the Legion) be the UNION JACK! He said he fought for King and Country, and that is how he wanted it remembered.

I was surprized.

I don't think the British connection is dead yet.

Interesting.

While I don't feel strongly about the UK per se, I do like the idea of a greater union of whatever kind. The UN, as inefficient as it is, can still serve a purpose beyond teh Commonwealth and Francophonie. but withinthese member nations, we can work much more efficienty through direct contact through a common language. Why would we want to break a union we already have?

 

[Machjo]

Oops I'm tired. I realised I voted yes when I meant to vote no. So it should be 9-8, not 10-7 right now. Sorry for that. I read the question wrong.

 

[s_lone]

I can certainly understand and accept the argument that appointed sovereigns above the democratic choices of the people can, in certain moments and places, change the course of things in a positive way. But still, the main problem lies in how this sovereign is appointed. Monarchy appoints sovereigns according to bloodlines and not personal merit or value. Putting a blind trust in providence that the non elected sovereign will be wise, just and noble seems to me as being a pretty wacky way to guard our democracy.

 

[tamarin]

"Monarchy appoints sovereigns according to bloodlines and not personal merit or value."
Are you inferring we get our prime ministers through a process recognizing 'personal merit or value'?
No system is perfect and we could certainly do with a shake-up in our party system here. Hey, it might even be an epiphany for Canucks to directly elect their leaders and not have some groups of partying flakes do it for them.

 

[s_lone]

Re: RE: Canada, dump the crown and become a republic? (poll)

"Monarchy appoints sovereigns according to bloodlines and not personal merit or value."
Are you inferring we get our prime ministers through a process recognizing 'personal merit or value'?
No system is perfect and we could certainly do with a shake-up in our party system here. Hey, it might even be an epiphany for Canucks to directly elect their leaders and not have some groups of partying flakes do it for them.

I'm all for a shake-up cuz you're right, no system is perfect. I'm quite anxious for democratic change and innovation.

 

[tamarin]

So am I. A big thing to remember is that democracy, western style, was born when many were illiterate or poorly educated. There was some reason then to support the growth of large party apparatuses that would think that they themselves (with some nominative tip of the hat to the electorate) should carry the heavy 'burden' of governance and public enlightenment. Ain't true anymore. We need a shake-up and we need reflection in our election process and governing that people's views on the street count.

 

[Nikki]

Our whole system of government needs to be scrapped and reworked as far as a I am concerned. The entire system has been broken for years.

We need to have an elected senate so that they can put a check on our government. We need set election days ( like the USA has). I think we need set terms ( you can only serve in offie for 2 terms of 4 years). We don't need someone in our office for 10 yeras look what Chretien did. :evil:

 

[EastSideScotian]

RE: Canada, dump the crow

I Feel our Connection with the UK is what makes us Canadian.

 

[Said1]

I don't think so, personally. But I won't hold it against you. :lol:

 

[s_lone]

Re: RE: Canada, dump the crow

I Feel our Connection with the UK is what makes us Canadian.

Do you think francophone Quebecers should be feeling this lovely bond with the UK?

 

[Said1]

You should, non? Or is it viva le France?