Canada, dump the crown and become a republic? (poll)

Should Canada become a republic?

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gc

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RE: Canada, dump the crow

How about keeping the governor general & lieutenant governors but slashing their budgets? I believe that we can not get rid of the governor general without chaning our election system (ie. if a minority government falls, who would decide whether to have an election or invite a new party to form a government?), but it seems that this job could be done for a lot less money.
 

Daz_Hockey

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RE: Canada, dump the crow

Frankly, as an English person, I say, do what you feel is best, but let the majority decide, the British pay for the queen and her bunch, but if you dont like her, then change, just make sure you have a decent option behind it because you may not find yourselves as lucky as America, the queen cant really change your laws, you pay nothing towards her as opposed completely to a president or dictator.
 

tamarin

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Both the British and French connection in our past are important. Those unfamiliar with our history will downplay what role either has. That's sad. But even moreso it's annoying. You can't build a future for a country by destroying its past. Those unable to live with the nation-builders that built Canada are free to leave.
 

JonB2004

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Re: RE: Canada, dump the crow

gc said:
How about keeping the governor general & lieutenant governors but slashing their budgets? I believe that we can not get rid of the governor general without chaning our election system (ie. if a minority government falls, who would decide whether to have an election or invite a new party to form a government?), but it seems that this job could be done for a lot less money.

How about we ditch the British monarchy along with the Governor General and the Leiutenaunts Governor Generals? And the constitution or whatever document should be amended so that if a minority government is brought down, an election must be called.
 

Colpy

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Agreed, not everything from the past is bad. But I simply can't see anything positive about monarchy. To me it's just a symbol of the old British Empire and hopefully, Canada no longer has anything to do with colonial traditions. It's part of our history, OK, but why drag this in the future forever???

Excuse me?

Do you mean old colonial traditions like parliamentary democracy, and English Common Law?

Think before you speak.

I just don't see why some make a direct association with the words "republic" and "USA"... This is a Canadian issue and the US hasn't much to do with it. Becoming a republic would in no way force us to become more like our southern neighbors.

Being a republic would not "Force" us to become more like our neighbours, we would alrady BE more like our neighbours. They are, in case you haven't noticed, a republic that booted out the English monarchy..........
 

gc

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Re: RE: Canada, dump the crow

JonB2004 said:
And the constitution or whatever document should be amended so that if a minority government is brought down, an election must be called.

I think the governor general has other political functions than that, although I can't think of any at the moment. Anyways, what happens if we keep getting minority governments and they keep getting brought down? Should we keep having elections so frequently? I know it's a remote possibilty, but it's a possibility nonetheless.
There is also the argument that the governor general acts as the head of state for ceremonial purposes, which frees up time for the PM.
I can't think of any strong argument to maintain the monarchy, though I can't think of any strong argument to get rid of the monarchy. As others have pointed out, the monarchy has very little actual power and (as I've just learned) we apparently don't have to pay for it, so I don't think it's a big deal either way.
 

s_lone

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Re: RE: Canada, dump the crown and become a republic? (poll)

Colpy said:
Agreed, not everything from the past is bad. But I simply can't see anything positive about monarchy. To me it's just a symbol of the old British Empire and hopefully, Canada no longer has anything to do with colonial traditions. It's part of our history, OK, but why drag this in the future forever???

Excuse me?

Do you mean old colonial traditions like parliamentary democracy, and English Common Law?

Think before you speak.

I just don't see why some make a direct association with the words "republic" and "USA"... This is a Canadian issue and the US hasn't much to do with it. Becoming a republic would in no way force us to become more like our southern neighbors.

Being a republic would not "Force" us to become more like our neighbours, we would alrady BE more like our neighbours. They are, in case you haven't noticed, a republic that booted out the English monarchy..........

The US did indeed boot out English monarchy and at the time probably did so for very good reasons. But hey, a WHOLE LOT of countries are republics. Becoming one would in no way tie us in a special way to the US. There's all sorts of republics and it would be up to us to be an admirable republican model.

"Think before you speak"..... :roll:

Don't make me say things I didn't. When I speak of getting rid of old colonial traditions I'm speaking of colonialism. Democracy and colonialism aren't the same thing. Heck, I'm not saying England is an evil country. I just believe that the British Crown is a old symbol of colonialism that doesn't have it's place in a multicultural country like Canada. If I was English, I would want to get rid of monarchy but that is there own business.
 

tamarin

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"I just believe that the British Crown is a old symbol of colonialism that doesn't have it's place in a multicultural country like Canada."
I just love quotes like this. Were the Canadian people informed when multiculturalism raised its ugly little head early in the '70's that accepting such a policy would mean trashing their past in the future?
 

Daz_Hockey

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RE: Canada, dump the crow

Why keep refering to them as "England" then, did you not know the queen was scottish, her family and most of the gentry being of german decent.

And when you speak of it was "the right time for the US to dump the englis monarchy", some might argue that they were infact the spiolt babies, William Pitt lavaged money on the american colonies, didnt tax them much because he was so fond of them, but of course things end and with a global war with france underway and money being needed to defend the americas from the french, how do governments raise money eh?....taxes, but the spiolt brats from across the pond were under the misconception that they were the ONLY ones being taxed unfairly and without representation. well actually most of Britain had as much if not more right to claim this FACT, but strangly no-one in America realised, and still dont this fact.

So it was a good time was it?, when your own country (because thats what britain was) is on it's knees against a global enemy and they decide to turn their backs on them for the sack of some tax, turn against them and become nothing more than Judas by siding with their own countries enemy?...no thank you, non of this is false, it is all true, right down to Washington applying unsuccessfully to join the british army.

You obviously have no idea of history, you change the word british and english with distinct disregard, ITN can batter me for this, but BRITAIN was poor, the people over in the America's generally were not, you do not understand britain, most of us do not and never have spoken with a silver tougne, we get taxed to high hell and frankly, if you want to follow America's lead, so be it, but do not blame the british we have nothing to do with this. Just like the poor-press ganged british army. America's fight was actually more with GERMAN's than it was with ENGLISH OR BRITISH, so make your own mind up and dont bring Britain or England, or english or british people into it. THANK YOU
 

notme01

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well let at least change the laws for the governor general and lieutenant governor

let make sure they are either true Canadian or atleast British if they represent the Queen it would be only fitting
 

I think not

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Re: RE: Canada, dump the crow

Daz_Hockey said:
You obviously have no idea of history, you change the word british and english with distinct disregard, ITN can batter me for this, but BRITAIN was poor, the people over in the America's generally were not, you do not understand britain, most of us do not and never have spoken with a silver tougne, we get taxed to high hell and frankly, if you want to follow America's lead, so be it, but do not blame the british we have nothing to do with this. Just like the poor-press ganged british army. America's fight was actually more with GERMAN's than it was with ENGLISH OR BRITISH, so make your own mind up and dont bring Britain or England, or english or british people into it. THANK YOU

Daz Daz Daz what am I going to do with you? :lol:

Man I have to told you at least a dozen times I am well aware of the domestic situation in England regarding the American Revolution. Let me try it again, this time I will be very concise.

The population in the UK was poor, taxed to the brink. The general population who were forced to pay heavy taxes to support the conflict, causing resentment and even a riot.Not only did the people not want the war in the 13 colonies, they were eager to trade with the colonies, they also wanted the war OVER at whatever cost.

The only villain in the American Revolution, is that prick King George III that disregarded Parliament and the people, launched a war that was doomed to fail from the start, just so he can show who has a bigger dick.

Regarding this Taxation without Representation I just want to make one point to you, there is a stark difference paying taxes for a monarch 3000 miles away, that never gave a dam about the colonies or ever set foot on them, and living in London or elsewhere in the UK (btw, I know of at least 3 areas that were taxed in the UK with no representation) and at least licking the bottom of the jar.

I think I'll start a thread on the American Revolution over the weekend. :D
 

s_lone

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Daz Hockey,

Exactly! This is NOT about England, or the British. The debate is whether or not we (Canada) should detach ourselves from English monarchy today, not yesterday. I believe the US were right to detach themselves from monarchy and my opinion on the US stops there. Indeed, I don't know enough about American or English history to pass anymore judgments than you seem to think I have passed. I only talked about the US because some people seem to think that if Canada became a republic, we suddenly would become USA's northern twin. We only will if Canadians choose to...

I simply don't believe in monarchy, plain and simple. The idea that leaders should be appointed according to bloodlines strikes me as being completely ridiculous for today's world. I don't care where the Queen comes from or how kind she is (and she really is quite a respectable person). Canada has become a distinct country and should assume it. That doesn't mean we have to forget where we come from.
 

I think not

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s_lone said:
I simply don't believe in monarchy, plain and simple. The idea that leaders should be appointed according to bloodlines strikes me as being completely ridiculous for today's world.

Bingo, being conceived between a fortunate pair of sheets shouldn't give anyone any "bonuses" for being just plain lucky. I compare this with middle age feudalism. Everyone seems to see this in terms of costs, personally that wouldn't be on my radar screen.

P.S. And for Said1 now otherwise I'll get whipped. Tradition is Great. :D
 

Said1

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I think not said:
s_lone said:
I simply don't believe in monarchy, plain and simple. The idea that leaders should be appointed according to bloodlines strikes me as being completely ridiculous for today's world.

Bingo, being conceived between a fortunate pair of sheets shouldn't give anyone any "bonuses" for being just plain lucky. I compare this with middle age feudalism. Everyone seems to see this in terms of costs, personally that wouldn't be on my radar screen.

P.S. And for Said1 now otherwise I'll get whipped. Tradition is Great. :D
Thanks. That's true!

I almost feel sorry for the old bird, nobody wants her around anymore. :lol:
 

I think not

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Said1 said:
Thanks. That's true!

I almost feel sorry for the old bird, nobody wants her around anymore. :lol:

Actually, I think that even those who oppose the Monarchy are willing to have it around as long as she is around.

I can honestly respect the traditional aspect of the Monarchy, that doesn't mean I have to understand it and I really don't being I have never been exposed to it.
 

Said1

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I think not said:
Said1 said:
Thanks. That's true!

I almost feel sorry for the old bird, nobody wants her around anymore. :lol:

Actually, I think that even those who oppose the Monarchy are willing to have it around as long as she is around.

I can honestly respect the traditional aspect of the Monarchy, that doesn't mean I have to understand it and I really don't being I have never been exposed to it.

Ihaven't had much exposure to it myself either; other than singing God Save the Queen in pubic school. :lol:
 

FiveParadox

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Re: The Monarchy and the Crown for Canada

We should continue the Crown of Canada.

Our position as a constitutional monarchy gives our system a great deal of flexibility that would not be true if we were a republic. The Governor General of Canada, while acting on the advice of the Prime Minister of Canada, does have the authority to depart from the decisions of this first minister and act on her own to safeguard our democratic principles and ensure that we have a properly-mandated Government.

For example: Under Canadian law, if the Prime Minister were to lose the confidence of the House of Commons then he or she would, by tradition, recommend the dissolution of the Parliament of Canada. However, what if he refused? What if the Prime Minister decided that Parliament would not be dissolved, and he would ignore a lack of confidence? There would be nothing in law that would force dissolution. In this case the Governor General would have the option, the prerogative, and indeed the duty, to outright dismiss the Prime Minister and dissolve Parliament unilaterally.

For example: Under Canadian law, there is no automatic order of precedence for persons to become the Prime Minister in the event that the Prime Minister is incapacitated. What if there was a disaster, and the Parliament of Canada was utterly destroyed? What if the House of Commons was attacked, as may have happened some weeks ago if the suspected terrorists in Toronto had not been arrested? What if each and every member of the Cabinet had been assassinated? Being a constitutional monarchy, the Governor General could have tossed together a "provisional Government" in a matter of seconds, had the need arisen, to govern during the emergency. What if we didn't have this option?

For example: What if we had multiple successive minority Governments, and each had fallen within a matter of weeks—no budget has been passed in two or three years, and the Government of Canada risks running our public works into bankruptcy. The Governor General could dismiss the Prime Minister and appoint the Leader of the Opposition, or any other party leader, who would be able to govern long enough to ram a budget through Parliament to save the public service.

For example: What if the Government used parliamentary maneuvres and late-night votes to ram a piece of overtly racist or discriminatory piece of legislation through Parliament? The Governor General could refuse to enact the legislation, and it would never enter into law. Without the Governor General, this would not be the case—the consent of the Senate would essentially enact the law, and there would be no last-ditch protection for the people of Canada.

Any of the situations above could be applied to the Provinces—a legislative system without unwritten conventions and principles such as that provided to us through the Westminster system and our constitutional monarchy would mean that we would no longer have the flexibility to address emergencies and unforeseen circumstances. Now, of course, we would all hope that the expansive powers of the Governor General, the Lieutenant Governors and, indeed, the Queen, would ever have to be used.

But we can't rule that out, can we?