Can you forget the "I"?

[SwitSof]

Unless your perfectly fluent in a language you type with an accent. You forget to type certain words just like you forget to use them while speaking. Often times resorting to phonetic spelling of words. Usually if original language spoken is vastly different then english it's more noticeable.

I see now, thanks for the explanation. It does make sense cause actually one's first language would in a degree influence the way to express oneself in a second language.

Because I was also showing those who were offended by the sentence that it might have been typed that way by an ESL poster.

I must admit, I'm an ESL too so I didn't see the sentence to be offensive, but yeah certainly being an ESL or not takes into account.

Might be best for me to post my sentences the way I like,k?

Of course. Sorry, I misunderstood, apologies.

 

[karrie]

you could do amazing things for your life in that moment....all you need to do is think of what you want and when you wake up fill in that blank you with the you want to e...materialistic ideals would be easiest to start with Karrie.People would do anything to have what you have at that moment.

it's part and parcel to quantum physics..it works

I really can't imagine why anyone would want to lose who they are. I love where I'm at. And having just been to a funeral, to help support a 29 year old widow, I'll gladly fully immerse myself in the life I have right now, no need to lose myself. My psyche, my self, my life, are all things that are highly precious to me and (trying not to sound too full of myself here) are too important to too many other people for me to change one blink of it.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

I really can't imagine why anyone would want to lose who they are. I love where I'm at. And having just been to a funeral, to help support a 29 year old widow, I'll gladly fully immerse myself in the life I have right now, no need to lose myself. My psyche, my self, my life, are all things that are highly precious to me and (trying not to sound too full of myself here) are too important to too many other people for me to change one blink of it.

that wasn't my point...

 

[karrie]

that wasn't my point...

The whole topic Doc, is more than a little bit lost on me.

Who needs to 'forget the "I" '? Why? What purpose does it serve other than proving that you could. It strikes me as a form of self indulgence frankly, and thus, more "I" focused than most other practises I've heard of before. lol.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

The whole topic Doc, is more than a little bit lost on me.

Who needs to 'forget the "I" '? Why? What purpose does it serve other than proving that you could. It strikes me as a form of self indulgence frankly, and thus, more "I" focused than most other practises I've heard of before. lol.

ROFLMAO...hey don't shoot me..i'm not looking to forget the I.....

but what i was trying to tell you is this....
There is a Qunatum theory mixed with our neural net....
The neural net we each create is connected to everything and everyone...so like ..an example....you meet people and find they keep repeating the same mistakes in choosing a mate...a job...a boss ...it's due to their neural net formed in their brain .......


so like this huge majik thing:
Normaly when we awake we put together our lives as we come to, if you will....it's like putting together what we were when we went to sleep...


you said lateley as you wake there is like this whole blank thing....apperently there is this theory if one can catch themselves before they start to put togehter what they are and instead visualize and believe you have something else....something you want, health lets say, DO IT in that moment before you tend to put your self together.....then the thing you wish for will happen......this empty state your in , upon waking is like maybe the perfect situation to try this out......if this makes any sense to you .....we might be able to try something.....

 

[karrie]

then the thing you wish for will happen......this empty state your in , upon waking is like maybe the perfect situation to try this out......if this makes any sense to you .....we might be able to try something.....

But, to know I need to wish for something, I'd need to know who I am and what I'm doing, know that I need to wish for good health. And if I know that, then I'm not really in a truly blank state anymore, am I? A bit of a conundrum there. That's why these things stay theory I suspect. lol.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

But, to know I need to wish for something, I'd need to know who I am and what I'm doing, know that I need to wish for good health. And if I know that, then I'm not really in a truly blank state anymore, am I? A bit of a conundrum there. That's why these things stay theory I suspect. lol.

ROFLMAO....saved..i just had a catharsis in the sin thread....you snapped me back...lol....

no no no....this is majik.....
you just pretend really hard to be that healthy person....or that rich person...you already got the best hubby in alberta...so we don't need that....

 

[karrie]

ROFLMAO....saved..i just had a catharsis in the sin thread....you snapped me back...lol....

no no no....this is majik.....
you just pretend really hard to be that healthy person....or that rich person...you already got the best hubby in alberta...so we don't need that....

lol. yeah, I am pretty lucky when it comes to my hubby. More than a few people will attest to that. lol.

I've wished pretty hard for other stuff in the past. And the power of my mind can get me pretty far. But attempting to majik my way into being a healthy person... while I'd be willing to give it a shot (hey, I'm up for almost anything), I'm more than a little doubtful.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

lol. yeah, I am pretty lucky when it comes to my hubby. More than a few people will attest to that. lol.

I've wished pretty hard for other stuff in the past. And the power of my mind can get me pretty far. But attempting to majik my way into being a healthy person... while I'd be willing to give it a shot (hey, I'm up for almost anything), I'm more than a little doubtful.

actually it's really hard to get into that frame of mind first thing before conscious takes hold....if you can ...look at it as a bit of fun...

so you wake and yer really blank....in that blankness if you can just pretend that you are so healthy and happy about it and that it worked....when the rest of you comes to...forget about it till next morning....you might want to remind yerself before falling sleep that yer going to do it in the morning......


eventually yer supposed to change.....

 

[karrie]

eventually yer supposed to change.....

And I'd believe that of the mental things.... wishing yourself away from addiciton every night, wishing yourself into being a more driven, successful person. I can even see wishing yourself into a healthier immune system frankly. But wishing away my tattered vertebra? I can't see it working.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

And I'd believe that of the mental things.... wishing yourself away from addiciton every night, wishing yourself into being a more driven, successful person. I can even see wishing yourself into a healthier immune system frankly. But wishing away my tattered vertebra? I can't see it working.

hmmmm...we'll see

 

[china]

hrermanntrude,

I compare myself to others because I am one of them. We're all part of the same thing and trying to pretend that others have nothing to offer you is arrogant.

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Dear hermanntrude ,
If you were 'one of them', a 'part of the same thing',you wouldn't have to compare yourself to anything,but psychologically you have formed the "I" ,You ,They or whatever ,and now you are comparing yourself .Why not just be?
I have never implied anywhere that others have nothing to offer and I don't know why you even say that -that's almost being arrogant .On the other hand unless you know yourself - all that you can offer to others is a second or 3,4,5th ....hand knowledge .

if i can't learn to meditate from others, why are you trying to tell me how to?

This is the part of my post and it is about my experiences -not" how to meditate ".

Again, to say "you were a part of everything" is also wrong: the word "you" is not adequate because you really weren't there. You didn't exist. There was only that stillness, the beauty, the extraordinary sense of love. The words you and I separate things. This division in this strange silence and stillness doesn't exist. And as you watched , space and time seemed to have come to an end, and the space that divides had no reality. That leaf and the blue shining water were not different from you.
Meditation is really very simple. We complicate it. We weave a web of ideas round it what it is and what it is not. But it is none of these things. Because it is so very simple it escapes us, because our minds are so complicated, so time-worn and time-based. And this mind dictates the activity of the heart, and then the trouble begins. But meditation comes naturally, with extraordinary ease......

My dear scholar ,nobody is in a position to tell or teach you how to meditate. Meditation is the movement of love. It isn't the love of the one or of the many. It is like water that anyone can drink out of any jar, whether golden or earthenware: it is inexhaustible. And a peculiar thing takes place which no drug or self-hypnosis can bring about: it is as though the mind enters into itself, beginning at the surface and penetrating ever more deeply, until depth and height have lost their meaning and every form of measurement ceases. In this state there is complete peace not contentment which has come about through gratification but a peace that has order, beauty and intensity. It can all be destroyed, as you can destroy a flower, and yet because of its very vulnerability it is indestructible. This meditation cannot be learned from another. You must begin without knowing anything about it, and move from innocence to innocence.

 

[hermanntrude]

You're majoring in nanotechnology, from what I gathered? What is the sum knowledge of humankind then by any chance? If it can be summarised in several sentences.

My PhD was in nanomaterials, my BSc was in applied chemistry. The sum knowledge of humankind cannot, of course, be summarised in a few sentences (except possibly by saying "we don't know ****").

The work I did was new work, no one had done it before. 30 years prior to that a fellow had said "if you do x y and z properly, then you get this..." I was the first person to manage to do x y and z properly. The resultant communication in "the journal of materials chemistry" was the most accessed communication on the royal society of chemistry's website for 5 months running. This is how I know it added to the sum knowledge of humankind.

 

[hermanntrude]

My dear scholar ,nobody is in a position to tell or teach you how to meditate. Meditation is the movement of love. It isn't the love of the one or of the many. It is like water that anyone can drink out of any jar, whether golden or earthenware: it is inexhaustible. And a peculiar thing takes place which no drug or self-hypnosis can bring about: it is as though the mind enters into itself, beginning at the surface and penetrating ever more deeply, until depth and height have lost their meaning and every form of measurement ceases. In this state there is complete peace not contentment which has come about through gratification but a peace that has order, beauty and intensity. It can all be destroyed, as you can destroy a flower, and yet because of its very vulnerability it is indestructible. This meditation cannot be learned from another. You must begin without knowing anything about it, and move from innocence to innocence.

It sounds wonderful.

 

[Niflmir]

I did some meditation for a while. It was fantastic. I had an alarm clock that I would set to bring me out of it after such and such amount of time. At the end, I always thought, "What? That's half an hour?" Its a shame that its a hobby that fell by the way side, but hey, what can I say?

 

[china]

did some meditation for a while. It was fantastic. I had an alarm clock that I would set to bring me out of it after such and such amount of time. At the end, I always thought, "What? That's half an hour?" Its a shame that its a hobby that fell by the way side, but hey, what can I say?

Sounds wonderful .

 

[Curiosity]

Curiosity ,
Since I can remember( I try to do that as little as possible) I was always curios (obviously still am) of where am I and what the heck am I doing here.Perhaps that is the reason that I have entered a monastery for few years; not to "escape from the world" ,not to find God ,it wasn't a question of survival , I just wanted to find out what the heck am I doing here .In monastery I have done allot of reading ,praying , studying 'manufacturing' a "god" that I did not want to find in a first place ;I did all that a good monk does ;but I still didn't know ...what the hell am I doing here - and all that I found in the monastery, is more unanswered questions , and that,s good.Yeap , Love and do what you will.



What you are saying Curio is that if there is no"I" , no image of yourself, then you are nothing. ? But are you anything anyhow? Are you anything in yourself? Strip yourself of your name, title, money, position, your capacity to write posts in the forums and be flattered—and what are you? So, why not realize and be that? You see, we have an image of what it is to be nothing, and we don’t like that image; but the actual fact of being nothing, when you have no image, may be entirely different. And it is entirely different. It is not a state that can be realized in terms of being nothing or of being something. It is entirely different when there is no image of yourself. And to have no image of yourself demands tremendous attention, tremendous seriousness ,I can say that it is only the attentive, the serious, that live, not the people who have images of themselves.

China - just found your response this morning

You have misread my commentary to state if there is no "I" then we are nothing? I cannot understand where you picked up that theme. It could not be farther from the truth. I is the ultimate recognition and from there we go forward adjusting to the external stiumli or living and growth.

The image of oneself should be accomodating for change and always seeking challenge rather than avoiding them. The true "I" is the basic footprint upon which all other aspects of living are constructed.

 

[china]

China - just found your response this morning

You have misread my commentary to state if there is no "I" then we are nothing? I cannot understand where you picked up that theme. It could not be farther from the truth. I is the ultimate recognition and from there we go forward adjusting to the external stiumli or living and growth.

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The image of oneself should be accommodating for change and always seeking challenge rather than avoiding them. The true "I" is the basic footprint upon which all other aspects of living are constructed

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Hi ,Curio , just few questions ;Where does the image come from ?; were you born with an image? -What about the "I", the basic footprint ,were you also born with it? If not ,where did they come from ? Is the "I"an entity ?,an absolute and is it in any way connected to the image? I guess what I want to ask you is how important is an image and The "I" the basic footprint to live a happy , productive , unselfish live .
I am eager to talk about it Curio.
Love China

 

[china]

Curiosity

You have misread my commentary to state if there is no "I" then we are nothing? I cannot understand where you picked up that theme. It could not be farther from the truth. I is the ultimate recognition and from there we go forward adjusting to the external stiumli or living and growth.

Krishnamurti from a talk he gave in London in 1931,

"In everything, in all men, there is the totality, the completeness of life... By completeness I mean freedom of consciousness, freedom from individuality. That completeness which exists in everything cannot progress: it is absolute. The effort to acquire is futile, but if you can realize that Truth, happiness, exists in all things and that the realization of that Truth lies only through elimination, then there is a timeless understanding. This is not a negative. Most people are afraid to be nothing. They call it being positive when they are making an effort, and call that effort virtue. Where there is effort it is not virtue. Virtue is effortless. When you are as nothing, you are all things, not by aggrandizement, not by laying emphasis on the 'I', on the personality, but by the continual dissipation of that consciousness which creates power, greed, envy, possessive care, vanity, fear and passion. By continually being self-recollected you become fully conscious, and then you liberate the mind and heart and know harmony, which is completeness."

 

[china]

The ego,the "I" is the entire process of self-referencing. It is an arbitrary and illusory point in time and space to which the entire universe is referenced. Perception from this point gives the illusion that this singular point is the center of the universe (both of space and of time). The habitual thinking places you in the center of everything. Saying it this way probably illustrates the complete ridiculousness of this thinking, but day-to-day, moment-to-moment, all experience is referenced from where you think you are. From here, past is whatever is behind you in time, future is whatever is not yet come. North is "north from here", likewise up and down. This creates the illusion that this center (you) has some reality independent from a whole which is perceived as "out there" or "up there" or "back there."

Albert Einstain said it this way, "A human being is a part of the whole called by us 'universe'...a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us."