C.u.p.e
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If someone can triple your production and revenue levels would you break rank and pay him/her more or would you let them go to the competition?
I already pay more.
Plus as you go down this road again, generally in any given union type job people do not make more outside of it so stop trying to toe that BS.
Not everyone is a young, virile, and a just starting out member of a union.
Typically and tragically in some unions, the older dues paying members are left behind to make way for the younger and longer future paying members.
This exemplifies a common human condition known to most self employed and entrepreneurial types as laziness and featherbedding. I'm sure you have heard of Walkerton.
Periodically, the union must be reminded as to who their paying members are regardless of the fact those people may be days, weeks or months away from retirement and hence still entitled to full and proper representation.
They would be the vulnerable.
Also,
Pay no attention to the abject absurdity of such statements
You guys are teaches our kids?
It's certainly not a calling any more - except maybe the call of money.
Odd how a Union will meddle in the affairs between employer and employee, stifle production and interfere with company revenues, then blame corporate greed when the source goes to Mexico or China ... or make the cost of education so great that kids suffer.
Wolf
I'll supply some of the specifics.
The pay scale ranges from 1 to 10 years. Ten years is the maximum pay...but that depends upon what education you have although they will be changing that slightly this year, I believe. The more education you have, the higher your salary. Basic salary tops out at 10 years with B.A and B.Ed degrees.
However, then you have people like me who have a M.Ed. degree which gives you a bonus and a few specialists degrees which may or may not give you bonuses, depending on what you teach.
And that's it for public elementary teachers, here in Ontario.
You asked for proof when I posted a glib reply to point out how meaningless YOUR glib reply was. If you want depth from others, provide depth yourself first. If you want to post a one liner like "Completely untrue", don't expect others to provide more than you do.
my statement stands... provide 'proof' of your statement, and I'll take the time with mine too. :smile: Otherwise we'll leave it at "completely untrue" and, "no, Kreskin's right". lol.
If you don't like being part of a union, then quit.
Whatever the pay is, you can thank your union brothers and sisters for getting it for you.
I think that technically you have to be a part of the union to work there, even if you aren't paying union dues because you don't work enough hours....
Whatever the pay is, you can thank your union brothers and sisters for getting it for you.
I think that technically you have to be a part of the union to work there, even if you aren't paying union dues because you don't work enough hours....
The union is comprised of employees, stop trying to make them different entities and teachers aren't over paid by a long shot, I suppose a University education dosen't justify 80,000 a year when many could do better in the private sector in another field.
Avro
I believe Kreskin can stand up for himself without you coming to the rescue. All he or you had to do was ask why I thought that way but instead you said something in which you cannot defend and then proceeded to defend it by saying it was not your intent to reply but to point out my glib response to something that you were not even a part of.
They ARE different entities. No two people are alike, nor to two people have the same work ethic. Unions guarantee slackers get a free ride on the backs of workers in any profession.
Wolf
Many employers prefer a union environment, because it stipulates rules that apply equally and to all, and it's much simpler for the employer to manage.
Want to leave early? Too bad, against the rules.
How many days off do you get for a funeral? It's all in the rules.
It's far easier than treating each employee differently, and then suffering from the jealousy and petty stupidity that comes with it.
To the original poster (Karrie???), I have a question. If you walk up to your employer, and as a stand alone person, ask to be hired at your current salary, WITH ALL OF YOUR CURRENT BENEFITS, what do you think would happen? That's right, you'd be laughed at, and you'd be offered the least that the employer thinks you would take. Or they'd hire the next person who would take it. There's always somebody who will work for less. No pension? No vacation?
Do you know there are lots of areas in the US where you get NO paid vacation, and can be fired at will for no reason? Do you think that's ever abused?????
And I'm NOT pro-union, I don't belong to one, never did, never will, I work in a profession in private industry.
But I'm not blind to what I see.
Want to leave early? Too bad, against the rules.
How many days off do you get for a funeral? It's all in the rules.
It's far easier than treating each employee differently, and then suffering from the jealousy and petty stupidity that comes with it.
To the original poster (Karrie???), I have a question. If you walk up to your employer, and as a stand alone person, ask to be hired at your current salary, WITH ALL OF YOUR CURRENT BENEFITS, what do you think would happen? That's right, you'd be laughed at, and you'd be offered the least that the employer thinks you would take. Or they'd hire the next person who would take it. There's always somebody who will work for less. No pension? No vacation?
Do you know there are lots of areas in the US where you get NO paid vacation, and can be fired at will for no reason? Do you think that's ever abused?????
And I'm NOT pro-union, I don't belong to one, never did, never will, I work in a profession in private industry.
But I'm not blind to what I see.
Wrong again, while I will agree slackers do benefit from those that work it is not exclusive to unions as i have witnessed and if at any time the workers of any given union don't like it they can dump it. In most cases the problem with a union is the majority never go to meeting to vote because the hockey game is on or they may miss their favorite show. Apathy has created this problem one in which also effects general elctions if you look at the amount of elegible voters who bother to show up at the polls.
Avro
Maybe they just don't give a damn because the Union is going to do what the Union wants to do no matter what the membership says. I have seen too many power trippy unions. Teamsters come to mind big, bold and ugly...
Am I wrong for believing people are members of a Union - but they are NOT the Union?
Wolf