Bush will veto torture ban

dancing-loon

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Bush to veto bill banning harsh interrogations

U.S. President George Bush has announced that he will be vetoing a bill that would ban the CIA from using harsh interrogation methods such as waterboarding.

Bush said in his weekly radio address on Saturday that the legislation would take away "one of the most valuable tools in the war on terror."

Jennifer Daskal, senior counter-terrorism counsel at Human Rights Watch, told The Associated Press that Bush "will go down in history as the torture president" for defying Congress.
"The Bush administration continues to insist that CIA and other non-military interrogators are not bound by the military rules and has reportedly given CIA interrogators the green light to use a range of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques, including prolonged sleep deprivation, painful stress positions, and exposure to extreme cold," Daskal said.
The bill passed through the House of Representatives and the Senate in February. It was to set new guidelines for intelligence gathering, including limits on interrogation techniques.
Its supporters say that the bill will help the U.S. regain its moral authority in the international playing field. The U.S. military is currently banned from using such techniques.

Both Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, who are running for the Democratic presidential nomination are in favour of the torture ban. Sen. John McCain, the presumed Republican presidential candidate, says that waterboarding is torture but is not supporting the bill.
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It should be made law that the president of any country that endorses torture should have to go through these torture practices himself first... without mercy!!!

 

Kreskin

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Since impeachment is too late, the country should begin planning prison for this guy.
 

normbc9

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Torture is nothing new for the US. In WW II they bhad built up three special facilities to house and interrogate (read it make them talk) enemy agents who they felt had some kind of information needed for us to win the war. there were Axis miliotray prisoners who never saw a POW Camp. Just the special places built up to make interrogation more specific and encourage the POW's to open up. They closed all three of them in favor of relocatiing the next facilities off shore so any US body of law wouldn't be violated, They picked the garden spots of the globe. Dutch Harbor, Saipan and a Middle east location. All are still going strong. I guess Waterboading is supposed to be very effective but I do hear that the mock Bronco machine is also another tool. It is somewhat similar to the ones you see in the cowboy hangouts. But this machine has more motion and quicker more violent maneuvers too. His Veto is only a reaffirmation of the US position set years ago. The US is a torture nation on the International registry.
 

Walter

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Torture is nothing new for the US. In WW II they bhad built up three special facilities to house and interrogate (read it make them talk) enemy agents who they felt had some kind of information needed for us to win the war.
Who didn't do this in WWII?
 

lone wolf

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How can you trust that which is spoken in extreme duress? If you're yanking my toenails out by the roots, or zapping my testicles, or half drowning me, I'll say whatever you want to hear to make you go away. Does that make it truth? The great stockpiles of WMD in Iraq gives you some sort of clue.

Woof!
 

MikeyDB

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Lone Wolf

There never were any stockpiles or nuclear program sufficient to warrant the hysteria emanating from the hawks in America. And they knew it!

But they needed an excuse/opportunity to achieve several things...

Castrate the U.N. demonstrating as they have many times in the past that America's "committment" to world peace and the "community of nations" was so much ball-wash..like it's always been....

Support their Israeli masters in generating a prgrom against Moslems the world over and re-paint the landscape of fear to bring Islam into focus since the monsterous evil of the Soviet Union wasn't up to the fear-mongering parameters it once was....

Other and many reasons certainly, but first and foremost...the genuine American trademark....was the money.

A defense industry with no "bad-guy" to hide the boat loads of money being funnelled into the pockets of particular American corporations and the wealthy elite at the top of the petroleum/arms pyramid wouldn't do.....

"Quick open another can of "urgent necessity".....

Presto!
 

normbc9

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Lone Wolf,
The 104 (f) degree enema seems to have some affect. Then when the dose is increased and the temperature upped to 120 (F) the whole picture gets foggier according to those who have survived. But under duress the folks facing this will say anything they think you want to hear.
 

dancing-loon

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Lone Wolf,
The 104 (f) degree enema seems to have some affect. Then when the dose is increased and the temperature upped to 120 (F) the whole picture gets foggier according to those who have survived. But under duress the folks facing this will say anything they think you want to hear.
Hi, Norm;
remember Arar? He stated that he told them what they wanted to hear to make the pain stop.

I wonder, if it isn't the special "JOY" the guys who administer, and those that watch, and those who watch the videos over and over, get out of torturing! There are enough perverts around, and just like the pedophiles find their "positions" in society, so do the torturers.
They could try force me to do it, and I would get sick, throw up, faint, plead and beg to kill me, rather than make me do this!!! What kind of "people" - are they actually people like you and me? - would do this kind of "job"? Monsters and perverts, I'd say.
 

talloola

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There will always be a 'certain' type of people 'everywhere' who enjoy a take pleasure,
inflicting pain on others, and of course they will be the first to stand in line and
volunteer for that job in the military. In real life they would be arrested for the crimes
they can enjoy while in uniform.
 

Praxius

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In case anyone hadn't noticed, the US Constitution specifcally voids cruel and unusual punishment.

Yes, and as we learned countless times in the past, Bush can interp the constitution anyway he sees fit as president.

The is a blaitent PO imo, and not only that, his own words pretty well laid him out and exposed him for who he is. Someone who promotes torture and doesn't seem to see anything wrong with it.

What a bastard. Someone throw him in a ditch and let's all stone his ass. I can't think of anything better. Impeachment or jail is beyond this nutbag.
 

dancing-loon

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Despite the admission to torture they have the gall to demand from us (Canada) to take their name off the list of countries that torture!!!!And we did!!!

:angry3::angry3::angry3:
 
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normbc9

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Dancing Loon,
I saw that and about became nauseated. I'm from the US but have no stomach for the tactics the US government claims to abhore. There has been nothing but a bunch of perjerous stories testified to under oath (when they raise their right hand over the Bible they invoke their inherrent right to lie) here for years. Both by the politicians and the military personnel they control about this subject. When I was in Vietnam they were giving "flying lessons" from 3,000 ft from helicopters to those whom they thought had some knowledge of the war plans and wouldn't talk. It was called "Flight without wings or chute." If there were three subjects being interrogated in the ship, after the first was thrown out the others usually has something to say. What a tactic to use to get someone to talk? Then too, how could you ever check out the quality or accuracy of the information they decided to give up?