Why are you crying bitter tears?
Is it because you posted the nonsense in the OP, only to have it shown to be false?
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Is it because you posted the nonsense in the OP, only to have it shown to be false?
Mess something up did ya?
Well at least you aren't handing out thumbs down like last week.
I take that smilie to mean you can't formulate a reasoned response, to the fact that the OP, the headline and the thread title are misleading?
Glad you can admit that.
If it wasn't true, you'd step up. Since you haven't, here we are.
There is if you understand the true sense of right and wrong! The only reason you think there is no honor is because of your belief in relativism!
How? By building a military base in Saudi Arabia in which was an agreement with the Saudi government? The war started when radical Muslims started making good on their threats to annihilate the west.
1985 El Descanso bombing
1995 Paris Metro bombing
2000 USS suicide attack
How many killed and injured since our invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are not directly caused by the allied forces? Iraqi terrorists attack their fellow citizens in sectarian violence constantly!
Radical Islam is a genuine threat to the freedoms you enjoy. Do you remember the 1938 Munich Agreement, which was a failed appeasement of Adolf Hitler? Instead of dealing with the threats from Nazi Germany, the west tried to appease him by allowing Germany to annex a part of Czechoslovakia. To which Hitler used to his advantage to break the agreement, takeover the whole of Czechoslovakia, and launched his war on all of Europe. Instead of dealing with the threats from the Third Reich, we ignored them and failed to appease Hitler at the last moment. The end result was a full scale war in which MILLIONS died!
Now look at radical Islam which calls for our annihilation everyday! When will it be time to face the threats? When they have theocratic control of 10 countries? 20 countries? When they make good on their threats to destroy Israel and launch some horrendous attack? When it's at your doorstep?
Superior morality is not a delusion because morality is not relative. Obviously you would value your right to freedom of speech to the point that if someone were to deny your right, you would become MORALLY outraged and would appeal to a SUPERIOR MORALITY. Would you still consider your objections to be based on a DELUSION? Of course not! In fact, your attempt to hold myself and other posters accountable to what you consider to be true is an example of moral superiority!!!!
So how is the threat of radical Islam any different? We believe in our moral right to freedom, we believe we had moral justification to destroy Nazi Germany, are we not morally superior to radical Muslims who do horrible things to further their death-ideology?
Jesus would have the ability to walk into the murderous crowd(as he did before), speak words of truth and convince salvation to even the hardest heart against him. The only way WE can do that is if particular individuals are called to do that by God - which is happening, Christianity is spreading like wild fire in the ME, Asia, and Africa.
There is a spiritual battle to win the hearts and minds of the radical Muslims. But military confrontation is also necessary because the tyrants in charge are holding back free marketplace of ideas to which will help win the hearts and minds of the masses. This type of confrontation is to give back denied freedom to the poor people that they've been brutalizing. That's why we're SELECTIVELY TARGETING the militants and their leaders. We obviously need to take control away from them and we have the moral justification to do so! Remember, people ARE happy we're doing this! Think about the thousands of girls who were literally denied basic education! Are their INNOCENT lives and happiness not infinitely more important than some closed mind tyrants whose grip on control shouldn't even be allowed!?
Wrong! Their level is attacking innocent humans to further their ideology through terror. We SELECTIVELY TARGET militants and their leaders. Big difference!
I don't think that, I know you like me!
*hugs* I understand the realities of war, that's why its a last resort. Remember how the Taliban originally said they would handover Bin Laden but then quickly backed out? They were usurpers of the government, radical, terrorizing their population, harboring a terrorist who just cremated 3000 people, and refusing to hand him over. You can see why the military option was utilized!!!
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Sorry, this isn't the Christians Suck thread. Please go to page two and it should be a couple threads below the Islam sucks thread and the Hindu/Buddhist's Suck thread, lol
Noble, but what about the innocent people in Afghanistan? We can't fight for those young girls to have basic education? Wouldn't we have a further interest in something like basic education for girls so that they don't grow up indoctrinated with radicalism and suicide bomber vests on?
Bush launched the invasion for good reason. The Taliban refused to hand over a person who just cremated 3000 people. Can you imagine the criticism from both ends of the political spectrum for not invading!
It's never that simple, oppression can last HUNDREDS of years! The Jews were slaves in Egypt for 400 years!
Opinions are relative, truth and morality are not. There's a distinction there that your missing.
So you wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan after 911?
Out of all the federal Canadian elections where we had more than 2 major parties, only 5 times out of 27 did a party receive 50% of the popular vote or more! That's only 18% of the time. We could be waiting for a "majority" for a long time! (source)
Are you willing to risk all of eternity on that?
There are no different "versions" of freedom. There's just freedom. Just like there isn't "your truth" and "my truth". There's just truth. Living under totalitarian sharia law isn't some twisted from of freedom - it's blatant oppression.
Because their ideology is wrong! Just judge it by its actions and what it believes!
Because the ideology of freedom is right! I want people to have freedom, not oppression.
This opinion contradicts moral relativism, unlike when you claim that totalitarian oppression is some sort of "freedom" for anyone! It's not!
How can we show people how to "act in accordance" if they're not even able to hear about different ideologies?
Tyrants like the Taliban are IMPEDING freedom. So how is removing them acting differently from the ideology of freedom? Do you think those Afghans got to hear one word about atheism or Buddhism under the Taliban's thumb? It's not just about Christianity or what I would preach you know. It's about the free market place of ideas.
The difference is that terrorists target innocent people, like when a suicide bomber walks into a Jewish wedding and detonates. As I told Cliffy we selectively target militants - who sadly hide behind human targets due to their cowardice.
Agreed. Now how about in the mean time, and in the interest that it never reaches here, we help out the rest of the world from tyranny?
*raises sword*
FREEEEEEDOMMMMMM!!!
Israel is a legitimate democratic country and she deserves our support! Israel is less than one tenth of one percent of the ME! Don't support the insatiable greed of the Arabs!
Your method for ending oppression caused by Islamic states?
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." Quran 9:29
"They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. Sura 4:89
Sounds to me like the radical Muslims are following exactly what Islam says!
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Fight away by sending all your 'god-squad' friends over to teach them a better way. As far as I'm concerned we have far too many problems here at home to spend a trillion bucks or so fighting an illegitimate war on foreign soil because our neighbor wants us too. We didn't care about their education or welfare before 9/11. Your excuse is just repeating govt propaganda released in an effort to justify their actions.
The Taliban did not refuse to hand him over. They said they would and asked for proof and evidence before they did. They they got invaded.
You don't need to teach me the history of my old religion.
Wrong, your opinion of morality is relative. I don't think that radical Imams run around thinking they are doing immoral things, in fact they believe they are quite moral and justified according to their interpretation of Islam. They believe sharia law is moral and just. Morality is relative to your personal viewpoint.
Nope!! I would have reviewed the assinine foreign policy that was their justification for the attacks and made some changes to improve relations. All these wars have done is make it worse.
Thanks for admitting the cons don't have a majority. You're starting to see the light. Now I would like to see changes to the system that actually ensured a majority every time. Are you in?
Your religious scare tactics don't work on me. You live, You die, You become worm food, its that simple. None of this eternal soul BS that religious leaders like to prey upon.
Many different versions of freedom. Some countries and peoples are freer than others. My truth/your truth??? You are sitting there spouting off about religion and you claim its not YOUR truth. With all the different religions and interpretations of those religions and other belief systems out there you want to claim your truth is the truth?
And your ideology of killing those who won't do as you want is wrong. I mean who made you ruler of the planet? Who nominated you as the one to decide how others should live? Get a grip man because as soon as you start sticking your nose in other peoples business you aren't preaching freedom anymore you are imposing your views on them.
I wouldn't call totalitarian oppression freedom as we know it. I would say that those in that society are free to choose to accept it or fight against it and if they choose not to then its not my business to fight for them.
I will admit that may be tough to go over there and set up your christian mission but I was referring to not killing people to promote your ideology of peace.
It's a nice philosophy and don't think I disagree with promoting freedom of thought and religion. I am just not willing to promote it through war and killing.
Yeah, target militants in the middle of villages and towns, the human shield thing is just an excuse. It used to be referred to as 'collateral damage' but that became unacceptable to the people, now they spin it to make it the other guy's fault. Don't keep getting fooled by the propaganda of justification.
Many better way to do it than wars and invasions. Trade agreements can be crafted to be reliant upon people getting education. Foreign aid can be dependent upon inspections. Etc.
So you're just as much of a zealot as them huh???
Israel is a legitimate democratic country and she deserves our support! Israel is less than one tenth of one percent of the ME! Don't support the insatiable greed of the Arabs!
Make it attractive to them to end theocratic oppression. If they don't cut of trade, foreign aid, diplomatic ties so it is unattractive. Using force is not the way.
More religious BS?? You do realize that Allah & Yaweh are one in the same right? God of Ishmael and God of Abraham.
Do you believe everything you read after hundreds and thousands of years. Do you believe nobody has ever put some spin on it to further their own ends. A story can't cross the room at a party without changing, what makes you think it can cross the planet and 1700 years and stay the same?
Sure. Millions of Muslims that don't interpret it that way vs a couple of thousand who do. Which of the christian sects is following the true interpretation?
Yep, and someone took their eyes off the prize.
As soon as my buddies started coming home and telling me what a cluster f!ck it was, I knew the goal wasn't what we were sold.
They're there for the long haul. Even if the Taliban surrender, or can be negotiated with, a western military presence will still be there.
I rather doubt the goal is ever what the government tries to sell us, in any situation. But that may just be my natural pessimism shining through.
I figure that there's idealism then there's realism. Ideally we want others to have what we have, freedom and rights. Realistically, it's one hell of a long, tough road to get there. So we get sold on the former and they pretty much gloss over the latter.
In all honesty, I'm really of two minds when it comes to intervening in another country's affairs. On the one hand, basic human compassion suggests we should help out our fellow man but at what cost to both us and to them?
