BREAKING :: 'Islamists' take hostages in Sydney cafe siege

damngrumpy

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Think total war isn't coming? Its already here and its time to take what ever steps
as required to ensure these people do not have the freedom to do violence. That is
right for those who display violence or encourage it or facilitate the perps to commit
it. A crackdown needs to be done Now
 

Cliffy

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Think total war isn't coming? Its already here and its time to take what ever steps
as required to ensure these people do not have the freedom to do violence. That is
right for those who display violence or encourage it or facilitate the perps to commit
it. A crackdown needs to be done Now
You want to jail all the riot cops?
 

Serryah

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"Bombing" the ME back to the stone ages won't do jack to the extremist types but it will do stuff for them, as in add to their numbers and make the problem worse. To believe otherwise is to be ignorant of the issues going on.

For this situation, we don't know if this guy is linked to ISIL or any other terrorist group. Sure he'll likely get kudos and all from them for doing this, but that doesn't mean he's part of them. Doesn't make him less of a terrorist either, but to link him is to give them too much credit. From what I just heard, the printing on the flag may be too precise for mass production which may mean it was written personally. If so this is just one psycho terrorist out to do his own agenda.

Not all Muslims are like this either; as in every religion there are extremists doing all sorts of horrible things. If we are going to subject Muslims to this kind of over the top treatment, then we'll have to include the other religions as well.

So if you're all for profiling Muslims for the actions of their radicals, when do we start to detain the Jews for their radicals? I've read that their severe right wing Orthodox are quite similar in beliefs to the radical Muslim beliefs.
 

B00Mer

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Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same God.

Look I don't want to go all Biblical, I get it. All 3 religions trace their roots back to Abraham. However, Christians generally follow the Holly Trinity, the Father, Son and Holly Ghost.

Just don't see that in the other religions.. personally, I not very religious.

I'm perfectly fine, I'm in Melbourne.

Melbourne looks nice.. think I need to plan a trip there soon.

 

damngrumpy

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My issue isn't the religious aspect of this it is the ideological impasse.
We have the radicals that insist its their way or else and the moderate
who are silent and if they don't speak up they are abetting the radicals.
Society is often too slow to recognize the danger.
It took almost three years for the Americans in the North to realize the
Confederates were a danger and once they did it got cleaned up
It took several years for the west to understand Hitler was a threat and
once they did the effort was made to clean up the danger.
This time 911 was a signal that the world of Islam declared war on us.
Only now are some realizing there is a danger posed by the next group
of religious fascists fanning the flames of a new revolution. It is time to
strike back. Not just in the desert of the Middle East but right here at
home. If we continue to ignore the problem things will go from not ending
well to ending worse
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So, the Muslims have struck again. I was expecting the opening post of this thread to not mention that it's a Muzzie terrorist and that someone at some point would eventually say that's it's a Muslim, and then all the usual suspects would turn up and say "You have no proof that it's Muslim terrorism" and "You're racist!"

News has also just broken on Sky News that there's a hostage situation occurring in Ghent in Belgium.

It really is about time we did something about the Muslims. They're a scourge in the world and they definitely need to be sorted out. We need need to shut the bleeting Lefties and liberals and PC Brigade up - because they're almost as dangerous as the Muslims are - and start to do something with the Muzzies.


My mum and sister went on a tour of Australia not so long ago. They hated Melbourne. It was freezing cold when they went; the public transport is crappy; and the place is overrun by cyclists. Being in southern Australia it's renowned for its crappy weather, or for having all four seasons in a single day.

The only thing worth seeing in Melbourne is the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG). With its capacity of 100,024, it is the largest cricket stadium in the world and the world's 11th-largest sports stadium.



B00Mer;203199 Remember when ISIS where trying to behead Australian citizens.. [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/18/australia-terror-raid-prompted-by-isis-plans-for-public-killing-pm-says/" said:
Australia raids foil reported ISIS beheading plots | Fox News[/URL]

I think they were planning on doing it in Martin Square, which is where the Lindt Cafe is.

It's one and the same.


That's debatable.
 

Praxius

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So, the Muslims have struck again. I was expecting the opening post of this thread to not mention that it's a Muzzie terrorist and that someone at some point would eventually say that's it's a Muslim, and then all the usual suspects would turn up and say "You have no proof that it's Muslim terrorism" and "You're racist!"

Kind of hard to say it isn't ISIS related when most of the first images getting to the news were of the hostages holding the ISIS flag in the window.

"News has also just broken on Sky News that there's a hostage situation occurring in Ghent in Belgium.

It really is about time we did something about the Muslims. They're a scourge in the world and they definitely need to be sorted out. We need need to shut the bleeting Lefties and liberals and PC Brigade up - because they're almost as dangerous as the Muslims are - and start to do something with the Muzzies.

I think with that reasoning, you're just as dangerous. You fear and hate all Muslims because the extremists want us all to live the way they dictate or die.... And now here you are wanting to round up everybody who doesn't adhere to your way of thinking. All the Lefties, all the Liberals, all the Muslims, basically everybody who isn't some George Bush God Believer, regardless of them being any real threat.... And do what?

What do you want to do to them all huh?

Shove them all into guarded camps?

Kick them out of all of their countries, regardless of whether or not they were born there? Drop them in some desert or remote island to slowly die off, yet keep you around because you're somehow better than everybody else? You're better because you vote for the right political party?

What you are is afraid. You're a chicken sh*t who is doing exactly what these extremist lunatics want you to do and you're reacting as predictable as can be.

Do you think your own extremist attitude and reasoning is actually going to stop anything or make things better?

Do you think I should become just as simple minded over the situation as you are, that I should also become afraid of these idiots simply because one lone di*khead shot a soldier in the back like the chicken sh*t he was in my home country?

Should I be afraid of these idiots hitting people with cars like what happened back in Canada shortly before the above happened?

Should I be afraid that this hostage situation happened a State away from where I live?

Should I be afraid that a few months back another lone c*nt decided to attack police officers with a knife at a police station here in Melbourne?

A very close family friend of my wife's was brutally attacked a left to die with his throat slashed by some punks after he tried to help a women he heard scream, which happened a couple of months after we got married and about a month after her father passed away from cancer.

And while all of this hostage sh*t has been happening, this also happened:
Altona North Fatal Stabbing
No Cookies | Herald Sun

The victim is known to myself and my wife and signed the witness papers of her friend's wedding which we were the photographers for. Her friend informed us that the women reported was acting like she needed help and was being attacked by the suspect. He attempted to get involved and help when the suspect attacked him and both the suspect and the woman ran off. From her information, it was a random attack and could have been anybody who was in the area who decided to help. He was just heading out to buy some smokes when it happened.

So now we known two people who have been murdered in senseless acts in the span of just a couple of years. They weren't terrorists who attacked them, they were not affiliated with ISIS, they were scum bags.

Should I be afraid of those people too?

Should I be afraid to step outside of my house and to frigging try to live my life like I always did?

Should I be forced to change the way I think of the people I walk by every day and to question and fear everybody? Should I treat everybody with paranoia and treat them all differently & with suspicion?

Maybe I should adopt your way of thinking and paint everybody with the same brush who don't think the things I do or believe in the things I do. Maybe I should also rally people like me to round up people not like me and stick them all in a hole in the ground or ship them off on some boat towards the vast ocean.

I should no longer treat every person on a case by case basis and judge them on their own individual merits. Maybe instead I should judge them based on the color of their skin, their gender, their religion and their political affiliations.

One of the lessons many people have seem to have forgotten about WWII and beyond is that when you are faced with an enemy striving off of fear and want you to fear them and lose your will and morale, the moment you do start to fear them and react as they want you to, you already lost.

By all means, fight back... But I would have thought you of all people, being British, you would have known the trials and accomplishments your fellow Brits made against Nazi Germany and their bombardments day in and day out..... How your fellow Brits walked out into the streets the very next day and kept it business as usual despite the destruction all around.

It helped polarize the free world in a desperate time.

Now where the hell is that bravery?

Where the hell is that gusto?

All I see from you is fear, paranoia and isolationism, even against your own fellow citizens & western allies.

What's even worse is that you want to spin it into a political thing where we're either all with you and your extremist fear, or we're all against you.

The fact that you want to take this situation that's still fresh and on going and use it for your own petty and small minded bulls*it is not only distasteful, it's an insult to the hostages, the Australian people, Canadians who still have the recent attacks fresh in their memories, and it's an insult to the Brits who sacrificed everything and stood their ground to protect the freedoms you take for granted today which you want to tear down like some scared little pu*sy.

You best pull your head out of your azz and take a good look around because you have no fk'n idea what you're going on about and have always been all talk and no action. You'll use anything to get up on your holier than thou soap box and preach about sh*t you have little understanding of.

I know the threats in life are real and they come from all people from all backgrounds from all countries, but I will be god damned if I am ever going to change the way I live my life and how I treat other people around me simply because you or others think I should simply because you don't have the balls to do the same.

Maybe I'll end up attacked by some random punk while getting a few things at the store.

Maybe I'll get hit by a bus.

Maybe a plane will crash into me from the sky.

Maybe a terrorist will nuke the neighborhood I live in.

Maybe I'll have a heart attack or brain aneurism.

If I can protect myself or fight off death anyway I can, I will.... But I am not going to live in fear day in and day out.

If you want to live in fear, then that's your democratic right in our western societies. I choose otherwise. Neither you or anybody else will force me to change my ways.
 

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Kind of hard to say it isn't ISIS related when most of the first images getting to the news were of the hostages holding the ISIS flag in the window.

I was in bed when the first images came through. You have to remember the time differences between Australia and Britain. The Muzzie started taking those people hostage when it was the early hours of the morning in Britain.

Not to those with even a basic understanding of religion.


No. It' debateable whether Allah and God are the same thing. I'm of the belief that Allah doesn't exist and the Christian God is the one true god.
 

Blackleaf

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As I said, only to those without a basic knowledge of religion.

You don't have any knowledge of religion. If you did then you would know that it's debateable that the Muzzie god and the Christian god are one and the same.

It's debateable whether or not the Muzzie god and the Christian god are one and the same. I, like many others, do not believe they are. I don't believe in Allah. The only real god is the Christian god. Allah isn't real.

Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?


by Matt Slick

No, Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God. There are similarities in their views of God, but there are also distinct differences.

As you can see in the chart below, each affirms that there's only one God, and that he is eternal, knows all things, is omnipresent, and omnipotent. However, Christianity is radically different from Islam in its affirmation of the doctrine of the Trinity where God consists of three distinct and simultaneous persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Islam denies this and accuses Christians of teaching polytheism.

Quran, 5:73 (Yusuf Ali), “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.”

As you can see, Islam denies that God is a Trinity. Also, in Christianity Jesus is the second person of the Trinity, who is in flesh. But Islam denies this as well.

Quran, 5:17, "In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."

Quran 5:75, "Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!"

Therefore, we conclude that Christianity and Islam do not believe in the same God.


Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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You have a problem with free speech? You have a problem with people having a different view than yours? Perhaps you would like to move to a country with a dictatorship.... Oh I forgot, we have Harpo.

Nope, no problem at all. ;)

It was just a suggestion, A way of giving you an out,
 

Cannuck

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You don't have any knowledge of religion. If you did then you would know that it's debateable .....

Don't be silly. You can post all the links you want from silly people that don't know anything about religion and it won't change a thing.