Boys suspended for playing with toy guns at home

karrie

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I love it. I think every kid that ever shows any kind of "violent tendency" should be expelled "for the safety of the children."

I think it's fair for the schools to not try to deal with a student's violent tendencies. I think they should get to draw the line somewhere, and put the onus on the parents to deal with their own kids, at some point. Once it's dealt with, they should be back at school.
 

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They would suffer for their actions. I would not be running to papers crying foul over sweet johnny and his rights to 'play with guns in the backyard' and pretend he was an angel.

As they should - but at the hands of the parents or the law - not the school. Also a suspension or expulsion is hardly "suffering" for a kid at that age. Unless they were in grade 11 or 12 and hoping to have a good school record for college and university applications they likely wouldnt care. I dont know any people who were suspended or expelled by schools as kids who really cared one way or another about it.

The bus stop has always been 'school ground'. We were always told that we could be suspended for what happens while waiting for or riding the bus.

I never was told that. Though from 4th grade on I never took a bus.
 

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The bus stop has always been 'school ground'. We were always told that we could be suspended for what happens while waiting for or riding the bus.



Apparently to their satisfaction they can. He says they investigated. I'm not sure, that's why I've said 'if', repeatedly.

See, there's a balance between being an anti-gun nut, and being a gun nut. This one doesn't really read as nutty if the kids were actually shooting at fellow students at the bus stop, with bb guns.

From the principal's letter.... "we identified the children who were firing pellet guns at each other and at people near the bus stop. Several students verified that they had been hit by pellets and had the marks to support their claims. In one instance, a child was only 10 feet from the bus stop and ran from the shots being fired but was still hit. Another student claimed to be shot in the back while running away during a previous incident Wednesday, Sept. 11. This child was also shot in the arm and head during Thursday’s incident. I contacted the school division’s Office of Student Leadership and School Board Legal Counsel for guidance. Because students were on their way to or at a school bus stop when they were struck by pellets, the school division has jurisdiction "


This just doesn't read like people overreacting, it reads as pretty reasonable response.

Ok. I am guilty of not reading the links. But I think expulsion is too strong a penalty for a 1st offense.
 

karrie

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Ok. I am guilty of not reading the links. But I think expulsion is too strong a penalty for a 1st offense.

You're assuming it's a first offense. I doubt the school could tell you what the history is, and mommy certainly doesn't seem to think there's anything wrong with this behaviour, so she's not going to tell you how many run ins the kid has had.

Oh, and you're not guilty of not reading the links as Goob posted the principal's letter after you I believe.
 

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Americans don't seem to mind kids playing with real guns, but then suspend them from school for playing with toy ones.
 

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Americans don't seem to mind kids playing with real guns, but then suspend them from school for playing with toy ones.

Well observed.

When I was a Prairie urchin, the miscreants in our neighbourhood used to manufacture their own gunpowder and blow up toy soldiers. I shudder to think how these chemists would be treated in America today!
 

karrie

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Well observed.

When I was a Prairie urchin, the miscreants in our neighbourhood used to manufacture their own gunpowder and blow up toy soldiers. I shudder to think how these chemists would be treated in America today!

Hubby and his cousins used to make pipe bombs and blow up all manner of stuff around the farm.


But, they still would have been suspended for pinging fellow students with bb guns at the bus stop.
 

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Ah, so your claim to them being wrong in this case is legal loopholes and wrangling.... not that what the boys were doing was actually okay, or that what they were doing was what was presented in the article.
I'm not saying it is ok. Heck, if my boys pointed a gun, even an airsoft gun, at anyone they would lose the gun and answer to me and I can do a lot more than the school or the cops.
See, I don't especially care for school boards, I've had my fair share of butting heads with the administraion.... BUT.... had my 12 year old been shooting fellow students as they waited to board the bus, you can guarantee I would not lift a finger to go to bat for them against the school. They would suffer for their actions. I would not be running to papers crying foul over sweet johnny and his rights to 'play with guns in the backyard' and pretend he was an angel.
I would fight for his rights. One thing I strongly believe is we should NEVER give up our rights for any reason. Would I present any of my kids as angels? Never because there is no such thing. Would they have to answer to me for it? Absolutely.
I think it's fair for the schools to not try to deal with a student's violent tendencies. I think they should get to draw the line somewhere, and put the onus on the parents to deal with their own kids, at some point. Once it's dealt with, they should be back at school.
I'm confused. Do you want the school involved or not?
I don't get how a criminal record is better than school expulsion.
I doubt there would be a criminal record. They might get a good scare from having the feds haul them to the station. They might even get hauled in front of a judge to be put into a diversion program but unless this was a pattern of multiple incidents they wouldn't get a record.
 

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Well observed.

When I was a Prairie urchin, the miscreants in our neighbourhood used to manufacture their own gunpowder and blow up toy soldiers. I shudder to think how these chemists would be treated in America today!

I think that dopey woman who said that she "shudders" at the sight of boys pointing toy guns at each other needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

Boys have been playing with toy guns for generations and it has dione them no harm at all. You'd be hard-pressed to find a bloke today who didn't play Cowboys and Indians as a young boy with his mates on the street with plastic guns. It's normal.
 

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We used to make our own bows and we`d use rooster feathers to fletch our arrows. Great fun until someone gor a bloody temple. Parents! Go figger! Afterwards, we made slingshots using car inner tubes.
 

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Hubby and his cousins used to make pipe bombs and blow up all manner of stuff around the farm.


But, they still would have been suspended for pinging fellow students with bb guns at the bus stop.

As a boy I lusted after a Daisey Red Ryder bb gun. An air rifle was something entirely different. My neighbor's doctor spent fifteen minutes digging an air rifle pellet out of his son's arm. With a fresh C02 cylinder, with some air rifles, you could put a pellet through a half inch of plywood.
 

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This crap has to stop. The school system should be responsible for teaching
the courses they teach at school they should have no say in what the children
do in their own yard. Again where the hell are the elected authorities? People
are losing their personal freedoms and their rights at home. Enough already.

Tea Party!
 

karrie

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I'm confused. Do you want the school involved or not?

I don't think it's the school's place to deal with a student who is injuring other students (ie, that student should be removed until they stop injuring other students).

Suspension when you have physically harmed someone else is not new. They are not the first kids suspended for physical attacks at a bus stop, on a bus, on a playground, or at a school event.

The article misrepresents the circumstances, and perches the reader for an emotionally charged response that it was an unfair suspension, when it is not in any way shape or form unique to suspend a child for attacking classmates.
 

karrie

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We used to make our own bows and we`d use rooster feathers to fletch our arrows. Great fun until someone gor a bloody temple. Parents! Go figger! Afterwards, we made slingshots using car inner tubes.

My kids have a bow, a slingshot (handmade by grandpa to show them how to make a proper inner tube slingshot), a bb gun, and a machete, that are regular toys. They also have a decent collection of jackknives for whittling, and my daughter's prize possession is a homemade, antler handle buck knife she found at an estate sale for a mere 25 cents.

Crazy Albertans.

How do you injure somebody with toys? Beat them with them? An old school Tonka could really do some damage.


I dare you to walk down the street and shoot random people with an airsoft gun. It would be neat to see the legal reaction.
 

karrie

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Still toys. Just like a water pistol or cap gun. That's why they have the orange tip.

no one has said they aren't toys. But they cause pain, unlike water guns or cap guns. You can't just go shooting people with them and call it 'playing'.