Blockade that shythole called North Korea

justlooking

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Naive?
A young man was imprisoned and killed for stealing a poster. You do realize this is the topic of discussion.

Yes, I do.
You are trying to put Western cultural values that theft is a low level crime onto a society
that has completely different rules of behaviour, and then another level for foreigners.

And that is where you fail.
 

Murphy

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Yes, naive. Don't expect that other countries conduct their affairs the same way that we do. He was in North Korea and was caught stealing. He was convicted and given punishment in accordance with their laws.

As to the reason he ended up dead, we'll probably never know what actually happened. Assuming he was beaten, that may not have been an illegal act there. We do not know their laws or the circumstances surrounding his death.
 

Hoof Hearted

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""Otto's fate deepens my administration's determination to prevent such tragedies from befalling innocent people at the hands of regimes that do not respect the rule of law or basic human decency. The United States once again condemns the brutality of the North Korean regime as we mourn its latest victim."

So I guess The President of the United States is just a naive little pussy like I am too?
 

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What don't you realize about, "Their country. their laws."?

Trump is responding to the American people and the media. That is what he is expected to say. He can do bugger all about it. Do you think he's going to declare war because a US citizen died while in NK custody? What, legally, do you think can Trump do?

Let's try some other examples.

Do you think that it's illegal to execute people anywhere on the planet, just because Canada does not? Lots of countries have the death penalty for various offenses. They do in some states in the US.

You do know about stoning people to death in the ME for adultery (suspected or actual) is legal, don't you? It's illegal in Canada, but for some reason, it doesn't stop some Muslim countries from doing it. People are buried up to their necks and pummeled with a prescribed size of stone. Women have been raped, and then been stoned to death for allowing a man to violate them. It's perfectly legal in many jurisdictions there.

You really need to look in the mirror. You live in a cocoon.
 

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""Otto's fate deepens my administration's determination to prevent such tragedies from befalling innocent people at the hands of regimes that do not respect the rule of law or basic human decency. The United States once again condemns the brutality of the North Korean regime as we mourn its latest victim."

So I guess The President of the United States is just a naive little pussy like I am too?
Me thinks the US has far more blood on his hands than Tubby the Korean dictator. The US government and military have no idea what human dignity is. The Donald is just a moronic puppet and says what he is told to say.
 

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Hoof Hearted

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I bet dollars to donuts, if this happened to a Canadian kid you'd all be singing a different song.

You're all cementing the 'smug and arrogant North of the border attitude' that Americans justifiably despise.
 

Hoof Hearted

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I believe I'm correct. The thrust of a good part of this thread has been about America bashing.
 

Murphy

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I bet dollars to donuts, if this happened to a Canadian kid you'd all be singing a different song.

You're all cementing the 'smug and arrogant North of the border attitude' that Americans justifiably despise.

I don't know where you that from. It's their law. You might not like it, but you cannot do anything about it. Trump can protest. The boy's family will cry foul. That's normal, but nothing will come of their protests.

Similar things happen to Canadians and Americans in South America. The Far East. The ME These places are sovereign states and the only thing that can be done is for the embassy to try and intervene. That's it. I don't know what you expect us to say. Whether we like it or not has nothing to do with it.

You truly are a babe in the woods.

I believe I'm correct. The thrust of a good part of this thread has been about America bashing.

You're not.

Most of this thread has not been about America bashing. It's been a vain attempt to convince you that the laws of a sovereign state, whether you like them or not, are inviolate.
 

Hoof Hearted

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Then we'll just agree to disagree...

You think I'm a babe in the woods and I think you can't see the forest for the trees.

Reread this thread. As this thread unfolds, the story becomes more about American imperialism by more than one poster than the actual event in itself.
 
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Murphy

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We will not agree to disagree. Those laws exist whether you like them or not. They are legal and carried out continuously.

You can go down to Texas and tell the legislators there that they are illegally executing convicted felons. Tell them that's not allowed in Canada and they have to stop.

You go to the Middle East and tell the muftis and government people that women do not have to wear a nijab. And to stop beating and stoning the ones who break that law. In Canada, we don't beat or stone people. What you're doing is illegal and it must stop.

You tell Washington that Canadians who have been convicted of marijuana offenses must be let into the US. Tell them that we are legalizing it, and because you're Canadian, they must legalize it too.

Let us know how you make out. :lol:

I don't agree with all the laws of the various countries, but they are legal there. If I was to break one of those laws, I would expect to be punished. There is no debate. If you are found guilty, you get whatever that sovereign state decides is the punishment. End of story.

It is you that are shaking your head and denying everything. Talk to a lawyer. He will explain it to you.

Edited to add: Here's a wiki list of countries that practice capital punishment. They also have a list of what crimes can result in death. Enjoy! :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country#Russia_and_former_Soviet_republics
 

Hoof Hearted

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The OP's story is about a sinister rogue nation that jailed and killed a young kid for pinching a poster.

Normally that would provoke compassionate replies and disgust. But for whatever reason you've all been drinking the same kool-aid on this thread, and believe it was totally justifiable based on the rule of their own laws.

You're all effin whacked!
 

Murphy

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That is what the story is about, but the law is the law. We're just telling you what you don't want to hear.

As I have said, I don't agree with all the laws in the various countries, but they are what they are. Getting angry with us because we have pointed this out is silly. Vent your anger somewhere else.

We are not whacked. We accept the fact that different places have different rules. We don't have to like them, but it is pointless to protest on a CCF thread, whining like children. If you ever travel outside of Canada, you'd better come to that realization as well, or don't go.
 

justlooking

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a young kid for pinching a poster.

Once again, your liberal foolishness contributes greatly to your fail.

Make sure to tell your family to never listen to anything you say about what happens outside the borders of Canada,
because you cannot accept anyone else's sovereign decisions.
 

tay

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Why the feck would anyone go there?

Seriously?

It isn't News that the Norks are crazy.
I travelled with friends to some 30 countries for 18 months a year after we got out of high school. Back then you could get a decent paying job anywhere so we worked for a year and off we went.

We never considered going to any country that was troubled. Why would we?

There's many questions to be asked of this Otto affair and the obvious number one is, what was he doing there? Why would anyone go there?

So now that this case is out in the public, after all of the other ones we have seen, will there be more people travelling to NK. I suppose so as humans aren't very bright.


So America has/had/will likely have again, a travel ban to Cuba but not NK.


I have read of people in the past going to NK and I have never had any desire to do so.


This is why I have no regard for all those tourists and trust fund brats who go over there and flood North Korea with hard cash and come back with glowing reports. ........
 
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I smell a sh!tkicking heading North Korea's way...

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million men is a statistic."

This will resonate with the American people. Just a young kid pulling a foolishly harmless stunt, and paying for it with his life. The whole story sickens me.
I'm sorry but if you go to a country that you KNOW is a despotic shit-hole and pull some stupid stunt that gets you executed, well, it's pretty hard for me to work up any sympathy.
I'm certainly not saying he deserved to die for it but stupidity really needs to start hurting the willfully stupid. This bonehead went out of his way to be stupid and paid the ultimate price for it.

I know that you haven't traveled. And it doesn't matter if you have children or not. When you go to another country and break their laws, you are subject to the punishment written into those laws.

It doesn't matter if you do not agree with, or like the punishment. You cannot say, "I'm Canadian. I do not accept that judgment." No objection is permitted, based on the country from which the perpetrator comes.

If you have been convicted of an offense involving marijuana, you can be refused entry into the US.
Certain ME countries will chop off your hand if you are found guilty of theft.
Some countries have a death penalty for more than just murder.

That's life.
Flying into Singapore you get some customs papers where at the very top it states, "Minimum penalty for importing drugs is death."

I bet dollars to donuts, if this happened to a Canadian kid you'd all be singing a different song.

You're all cementing the 'smug and arrogant North of the border attitude' that Americans justifiably despise.
I'd have the exact same attitude if it was a Canadian kid. Don't go to despotic countries and do stupid shit. It's really not that hard to figure out.
 

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There is not one parent in the world that would not insist every scratch be found and a very detailed explanation to go along with it.

Coroner will not perform an autopsy on Otto Warmbier | Daily Mail Online
Coroner grants request from Otto Warmbier's family NOT to perform autopsy on the student who died after being held captive in North Korea for 17 month - as US government calls for three more Americans to be freed


  • The Hamilton County Coroner's Office in Ohio announced the decision Tuesday
  • Dr Lakshmi Sammarco said Warmbier's family made the request that an autopsy would not be carried out after an external examination was completed on Otto
  • Earlier in the day, the State Department stepped up pressure on Pyongyang, calling for the immediate release of three Americans being held in North Korea


 

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I had an opportunity to go to North Korea once, but it would have been a guided tour (i.e. I would have seen only what they would have wanted me to see, so I would have felt like I was in a prison the whole time there), so i turned the offer down.

That plus tensions between NK and the US was higher than usual at the time.