Black on Black crime

SirJosephPorter

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Interesting website, Goober. I don’t think it gives a comparison between minorities and Canadian born, to show how the two compare.

What I found interesting is that second generation actually achieves more than third plus generations, because of tendency on the part of second generation to overachieve. Second generation is under pressure to prove themselves; while third plus don’t have any such extra pressure.
 

gopher

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''The so called black civil rights leaders have been mute.''


The writer is entitled to his opinion but this comment is without basis. CNN recently presented a report on this type of crime and many Black community leaders were interviewed. Each expressed shock and outrage. To say they are mute on the issue is utterly ridiculous especially when they appear on USA TV every week.
 

gopher

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''mainly they prey on each other''

There is also the matter of white collar crime which is mostly white-on-white. Bernard Madoff stole billions - FAR more than is stolen on USA streets in ten years. Yet nobody called it white-on-white crime.
 

Cannuck

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''mainly they prey on each other''

There is also the matter of white collar crime which is mostly white-on-white. Bernard Madoff stole billions - FAR more than is stolen on USA streets in ten years. Yet nobody called it white-on-white crime.

Probably because Madoff stole from anybody regardless of their race...or are you suggesting that Madoff only took from whites?
 

SirJosephPorter

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''The so called black civil rights leaders have been mute.''


The writer is entitled to his opinion but this comment is without basis. CNN recently presented a report on this type of crime and many Black community leaders were interviewed. Each expressed shock and outrage. To say they are mute on the issue is utterly ridiculous especially when they appear on USA TV every week.


Gopher, consider the source; anything written in American Thinker isn’t worth a plugged nickel. It is a birther website; it claims that Obama is an illegal alien. American Thinker has zero credibility as far as I am concerned; it is a mouthpiece of the Republican base, another Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh (though with a much smaller circulation).

I wouldn’t dignify anything that Obama hate site says with a response.
 

ironsides

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I can well understand that, ironsides, people can be very ignorant. Especially if they live in a low crime area in Canada (and we do have high crime areas), they may take it for granted that there is very little crime in USA where they are going.

However, I am always cautious when I go to USA. I try not to venture out at night. Even when I go for walk during day time, I always ask at the hotel if it is safe.

Recently we visited Yellowstone; we lived in a town called Cody. Now, an area like Yellowstone would seem to be perfectly safe. However, I did check at the hotel desk before going out for a walk. Our hotel was in an isolated area and I would be walking in almost wilderness. But they assured me that it was OK.

Anyway, once when I was walking by the roadside, Sheriff’s car stopped by and asked me if I was Ok, if I needed any help. I had been walking for quite a while, I was hot, sweaty and red all over (Wyoming sun can be very hot in summer). So maybe he thought that I needed help, I don’t know.

I assured him that everything was OK, and I lived in a hotel just a couple of blocks from there. He went on his way. But that made me feel even safer. If the police do patrol the streets from time to time, presumably there is nothing to worry about.


Cody is a nice place to live, I have a very good freind who lives there. Most places are very safe to walk around at night, the town I live in about 40 miles north of Miami is very safe to walk around any time night or day.



[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Miami Crime Report[/FONT]
General Information:Violent vs. Property Crime Rate:Miami:Florida (FL)
Violent Crime Property Crime City Population:381,651

Murder:74
Forcible Rape:107
Robbery:2,928
Aggravated Assault:4,048
Burglary:5,878
Larceny or Theft:15,404
Car Theft:5,088
Arson:239
Data Source:
2003 FBI Report of Offenses Known to Law Enforcement Zero values may indicate the data was not available.



Now Miami is another story, certain areas are almost like living in a war zone. As I mentioned before, this is mainly black on black, hispanic on hispanic crime, high school age kids 15 - 21 mostly.
 

Ron in Regina

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Cody is a nice place to live, I have a very good freind who lives there. Most places are very safe to walk around at night, the town I live in about 40 miles north of Miami is very safe to walk around any time night or day.



[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Miami Crime Report[/FONT]
General Information:Violent vs. Property Crime Rate:Miami:Florida (FL)
Violent Crime Property Crime City Population:381,651

Murder:74
Forcible Rape:107
Robbery:2,928
Aggravated Assault:4,048
Burglary:5,878
Larceny or Theft:15,404
Car Theft:5,088
Arson:239
Data Source:
2003 FBI Report of Offenses Known to Law Enforcement Zero values may indicate the data was not available.



Now Miami is another story, certain areas are almost like living in a war zone. As I mentioned before, this is mainly black on black, hispanic on hispanic crime, high school age kids 15 - 21 mostly.


For that population of 381,651 people...is that 74 Murders in one year?

I'm in a city of about 200,000 and we see 10 or less murders annually,
and we happen to be one of the worst in the nation for crime statistics,
and had been labeled as having "Canada's worst neighborhood" by a
national magazine up here....& it though my city is 1/2 the size of yours,
it would take us 7-10yrs to rack up 74 murders. :-?
 

ironsides

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For that population of 381,651 people...is that 74 Murders in one year?

I'm in a city of about 200,000 and we see 10 or less murders annually,
and we happen to be one of the worst in the nation for crime statistics,
and had been labeled as having "Canada's worst neighborhood" by a
national magazine up here....& it though my city is 1/2 the size of yours,
it would take us 7-10yrs to rack up 74 murders. :-?


Your right, Miami would probably be close to having the total crime rate in Canada. What the reasons are, I have no idea, guess the old pat answers are still to blame (drugs, Miami/Dade has a poor education system in a state with poor education systems, gangs, and all the illegal immigration that is allowed to go unchecked).
:roll:
 

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I really can't see what comparing crime rates in places like that does, really. That's be like comparing crime in Kaslo to crime in Kloneville - somewhat inane. A simple thing like location or climate can have something to do with it. Give two places similar environments and elements and then you have something feasible. Something like Detroit and Chicago, or Toronto and Hamilton.
 

SirJosephPorter

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For that population of 381,651 people...is that 74 Murders in one year?

I'm in a city of about 200,000 and we see 10 or less murders annually,
and we happen to be one of the worst in the nation for crime statistics,
and had been labeled as having "Canada's worst neighborhood" by a
national magazine up here....& it though my city is 1/2 the size of yours,
it would take us 7-10yrs to rack up 74 murders. :-?

Murder rate in Ontario is 1.5 per 100,000 (1.9 for Canada as a whole). The rate is lowest for Quebec, followed by Ontario. So a city of about 400,000 in Ontario (e.g. London or Ottawa) may have about 6 murders per year. Average Canadian city of 400,000 would have 8 murders per year. So you are right with a murder rate of 5 per 100,000, you do live in a high crime area (as far as murder is concerned anyway).

As to USA, well that is a whole another story.

Crime in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Goober

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Murder rate in Ontario is 1.5 per 100,000 (1.9 for Canada as a whole). The rate is lowest for Quebec, followed by Ontario. So a city of about 400,000 in Ontario (e.g. London or Ottawa) may have about 6 murders per year. Average Canadian city of 400,000 would have 8 murders per year. So you are right with a murder rate of 5 per 100,000, you do live in a high crime area (as far as murder is concerned anyway).

As to USA, well that is a whole another story.

Crime in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I live in a suburb of Edmonton - this year 5 Somalians were murdered - a local pastor spoke up about police indifference to these crimes - yet all 5 were from Toronto - and came to Edmonton to sell drugs - All 5 were the victims of crime - yet they partook in it - and the fallout from the economic downturn - Drug dealers when times are into making cash - when times turn down they are into protecting turf - debts unpaid result in examples being made - gangs trying to expand their network are met with death as we saw earlier this year - Black on Black can also be described as Ethnic on Ethnic as they tend to reside with their cultures and being newcomers need that sense on community and help that comes with it or poor on poor.
 

gopher

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''Gopher, consider the source; anything written in American Thinker isn’t worth a plugged nickel. It is a birther website; it claims that Obama is an illegal alien. American Thinker has zero credibility as far as I am concerned; it is a mouthpiece of the Republican base, another Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh (though with a much smaller circulation).

I wouldn’t dignify anything that Obama hate site says with a response.''



But it generates responses on this forum and the record needs to be set straight.

As for Madoff and white collar crime, none of the far right dare point out that it is committed almost entirely by whites and that its victims are largely of the same color and class.
 

Cannuck

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As for Madoff and white collar crime, none of the far right dare point out that it is committed almost entirely by whites and that its victims are largely of the same color and class.

It never ceases to amaze me that you would willingly come here make a complete fool of yourself.

Since, according to you, Madoff's victims are "largely of the same color and class" perhaps you could explain how you managed to determine that Nomura Holdings, a Japanese brokerage firm, has "largely" the same color of customers as the Royal Bank of Scotland Group.

Actually, don't bother. I can only take so much of your racist crap before my brain begins to hurt.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I live in a suburb of Edmonton - this year 5 Somalians were murdered - a local pastor spoke up about police indifference to these crimes - yet all 5 were from Toronto - and came to Edmonton to sell drugs - All 5 were the victims of crime - yet they partook in it - and the fallout from the economic downturn - Drug dealers when times are into making cash - when times turn down they are into protecting turf - debts unpaid result in examples being made - gangs trying to expand their network are met with death as we saw earlier this year - Black on Black can also be described as Ethnic on Ethnic as they tend to reside with their cultures and being newcomers need that sense on community and help that comes with it or poor on poor.

Goober, it may surprise you, but the crime rate in Toronto is surprisingly low. I remember reading the statistics a while ago. When reduced to per 100,000 population, Toronto ranks well below many places in BC or Saskatchewan.

Many people regard Toronto as a high crime area and the reputation is totally undeserved.
 

ironsides

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The only major difference that I can see between the two cities is the higher population in Miami of immigrants. legal or not. Is a year round warmer climate more conducive to crime, don't think so. The only reason I can come up with is that the better educated, the less crime. These kids drop out of school, there are few jobs, not much for them to do but get into trouble. Look for what is common to any city with a
a high 1st generation immigrant rate like Miami or Los Angeles.
 

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Goober, it may surprise you, but the crime rate in Toronto is surprisingly low. I remember reading the statistics a while ago. When reduced to per 100,000 population, Toronto ranks well below many places in BC or Saskatchewan.

Many people regard Toronto as a high crime area and the reputation is totally undeserved.

Go take a wee stroll along Jane around Finch....