Big Pharma Liars All

[Avro]

Nobody is suggesting there should be a drop in health care quality. However is you can produce you own antibiotic for $50 (over your life-time) then the billions spent on that could go to other medical uses. If most cancer could be shielded from starting by keeping oxygen levels high for short periods. Please take the time to watch this vid. It is how a low-tech inexpensive remedy to some very serious heath issues was/is intentionally suppressed by the medical industry of the west. Your heath care could be a lot better for the money that is already being spent.
Phage - The Virus that Cures.avi

It is not your business loans that needs changes, you should pay interest. However the country of Canada should not be paying interest on their debt. Just taking away the interest payments solves the debt issue. Take away accumulated interest for the last 70 years and there probably isn't even a National debt at all.

These issues are a little bigger than just you and your family, it is about getting that same care for you to people who are not getting those things today. That applies to getting some money into their hands also. Say you build a ski resort. it costs $100M. By selling memberships you take in $150M in 10 yrs. That is $30M for you (3% profit and $20M for interest for the Bank) At that point you return all profits into maintaining the facility, passes would drop drastically in price and that would allow the 'poorer people' to access the site. The developer would move on and build another such facility and it would cater to the richer folks fort the 1st 10 yrs.

The loans you have taken for cars and even your house would be interest free (except the really expensive ones). You could pay off a $200K house off in 20 years, most houses last about 40 years, those last 20 years would free up more of your personal income.

That's lovely, except my family needed a little more than simple anti-biotics, instead they needed drugs developed by the drug industry after years of investment.

I borrowed money when I was 18 and started a buisness and shortly after bought my first home......from there I paid off the loans and slowly started building a modest empire through hard work and sound judgment.

Btw, the buisness model you proposed about the ski resort is hilarious and way off base.

 

[Kreskin]

Given the choice you should choose the loan that is interest free. Right now how much is spent on interest on Canada's national debt?

If it isn't worth anything then why use money? Why not just exchange socks? In the end it's all worth the same - zero return.

I promise I'll give you the socks back.

 

[MHz]

Credibility, there you have it , thats exactly what my speel is about, big pharma has none. Essential to health and well being? Every addict thinks the same thing. Now, as in the matter of personal perceptions of credibility. That is too often subjective, as in your case, defending big pharma drug murderers hardly qualifies you as credible. Read some of the history JLM. They don,t cure they hook, and you pay and pay and pay as your health deteriorates, now that,t just good business JLM. You don,t even need eyes to see that. Cancer is their finest product. Aids makes them horny, mental illness, bring it on, high blood pressure, a perrenial winner, there,s gold in them there veins. They don,t fix disease they farm it.

Here is an example, there is a product out there called MMS, it is used by some people who work in 3rd world countries to fight Malaria. The modern western drugs are simply too expensive so another route had to be found and MMS is their solution. The cost is about $1/ village/yr (when purchased in bulk) Seems that malaria is not the only thing this stuff will attack.
Big Pharma is not going to promote something like this no matter how well it works. If it works on malaria it should also work on similar 'critters', full blown malaria fever can be killed off in just a few treatments (expect vomiting and diarrhea) That should include almost any flu that can exist. The best inoculation is to prepare ahead of flue season, start taking a 'maintenance dose' a month prior to flue season. A $20 premixed bottle (4oz) in AB would treat a family for about 20 yrs. A few drops/wk is about it, thing is, you have to mix it on site because the chemical reaction is over in about 10 mins.

Big Pharma can/do charge several thousand/yr for less effective solutions.

If they can't patent it they want nothing to do with it. Most meds are based on natural compounds. How many meds today are based on plants that were gathered in the rainforests, the people who own the land should be the patent holders in a not for profit industry. The question today is not is there good health care available it is can you afford todays cures.
If cancer can be beaten in the 3rd world for pennies why does it cost 100'sK in the 'most advanced parts of the world'?

 

[MHz]

If it isn't worth anything then why use money? Why not just exchange socks? In the end it's all worth the same - zero return.

I promise I'll give you the socks back.

$40B/yr is what could be saved on Canada's debt.

 

[Avro]

$40B/yr is what could be saved on Canada's debt.

We could stop spending more than we have you know.

It's funny when people get in debt they try to blame everyone but themselves.:roll:

 

[Kreskin]

$40B/yr is what could be saved on Canada's debt.

Which would be offset by negative consequences. You can't look at one thing and claim it be the end all of everything. If the currency has no real value you'll have to print more and create more debt.

 

[MHz]

We could stop spending more than we have you know.

It's funny when people get in debt they try to blame everyone but themselves.:roll:

What are you talking about now??? Printing our own money could save us $40 BILLION yearly. Rather than legally quit paying that interest you would rather it came from other areas first, how about health care, or social welfare, their welfare is less important than the banks. It is our fault, that means it is our responsibility to fix it. The Central Banks aren't going to stop robbing people until the people stop it.

Take the history of Haiti over the last 240 yrs. The same central bankers have been part of the punishment for breaking the bonds of slavery via revolt. Name one battle that resulted in 'compensation payments being made to the loser'? That was unheard of back then, banks didn't care who had the gold, all they did was change the name under the owner label. In exchange they gave them paper.
That is an example of banks interference in a Nations development, that can get you killed, instead Haiti paid the extortion, for 200 years. Now please explain how that was their fault. Where were the Cuban doctors getting the meds from to treat the Haitians prior to the quake?

Which would be offset by negative consequences. You can't look at one thing and claim it be the end all of everything. If the currency has no real value you'll have to print more and create more debt.

List them. I didn't say end all, I said it would save 40B per year and the only ones being hurt is the dip in profits to the central banks. They can still get interest on loans to corporations and to individuals who are buying something finer than the basic models. At the end of the year all debts would be settled. That would reset all the numbers for the next year. So if you can't spend more than 10M a year there is little incentive to make 100x that, leave that to some other Joe and you take 'time-off' to pursue your other interests in life. (and having the funds)
Who said no value, it has the same value as it has today. The interest payment to World Banksters would be torn up, our yearly debt would be cut by that much. To get the real scope in the last 20 years that is 800B (if that was the real average. That is how much we would be paying ourselves.

A new Porche every year rather than keeping one for years on end or buying used models, call it a vanity tax. Still that is what the ones who achieve the higher than normal wage could do. Rather than 5% of the population having 90% of the money it would be 5% have 5%.

Military spending in the US just happens to equal the corporate tax taken in, perhaps war can be trimmed back some.

 

[darkbeaver]

Here is an example, there is a product out there called MMS, it is used by some people who work in 3rd world countries to fight Malaria. The modern western drugs are simply too expensive so another route had to be found and MMS is their solution. The cost is about $1/ village/yr (when purchased in bulk) Seems that malaria is not the only thing this stuff will attack.
Big Pharma is not going to promote something like this no matter how well it works. If it works on malaria it should also work on similar 'critters', full blown malaria fever can be killed off in just a few treatments (expect vomiting and diarrhea) That should include almost any flu that can exist. The best inoculation is to prepare ahead of flue season, start taking a 'maintenance dose' a month prior to flue season. A $20 premixed bottle (4oz) in AB would treat a family for about 20 yrs. A few drops/wk is about it, thing is, you have to mix it on site because the chemical reaction is over in about 10 mins.

Big Pharma can/do charge several thousand/yr for less effective solutions.

If they can't patent it they want nothing to do with it. Most meds are based on natural compounds. How many meds today are based on plants that were gathered in the rainforests, the people who own the land should be the patent holders in a not for profit industry. The question today is not is there good health care available it is can you afford todays cures.
If cancer can be beaten in the 3rd world for pennies why does it cost 100'sK in the 'most advanced parts of the world'?

Very interesting, folk medicine is where it is. I was reading a while ago that Cannabis is the one thing that kills those nasty hospital superbugs we hear so much about these days. Not to mention the thousands of cancer patients enjoying renewed hope against cancer by taking cannabis oil, there is quite a bit of treatment going on in small town Nova Scotia with very good results. 60 days at a gr/ml a day seems to work just fine helping cancer cells turn back on their self distruct function. So I'm not in the least surprised by the recent legislations leaning on natural medicinal products. They work, like they always have, and big pharma knows it and has known it since day one. Disease is big pharmas business not medicine. When will the trusting public learn to follow the goddamn money? Are they that simple minded to think the suits give a **** about curing anything, which incidentally is something they probably have never knowingly done. We are very unhealthy consumers of modern hi-tech drugs and have been for decades and still we linger on until the account is empty and we are allowed to die being absolutely empty, in the eyes of some fat banker. We need healers not wheelers and dealers.

 

[darkbeaver]

Does Seasonal Influenza Vaccination Increase the Risk of Illness with the 2009 A/H1N1 Pandemic Virus?
Viboud C, Simonsen L (2010) Does Seasonal Influenza Vaccination Increase the Risk of Illness with the 2009 A/H1N1 Pandemic Virus? PLoS Med 7(4): e1000259. doi:10.1371/journal.pmed.1000259

Care to guess what the study found? In short, it found that people who received the seasonal flu vaccine shot in 2008 were up to 274% more likely to be infected by H1N1 swine flu than those who skipped the season flu shots.

Season flu vaccines have a "counterproductive effect"

This result, which virtually all the top natural health writers openly predicted last year, apparently stunned the researchers. As explained in the published study, "Danuta Skowronski and colleagues report the unexpected results of a series of Canadian epidemiological studies suggesting a counterproductive effect of the vaccine."

In this case, "counterproductive effect" of the vaccine means that it works against you. Getting the vaccine shot appears to actually make you MORE susceptible to being infected with (and potentially killed by) a future pandemic.

Seasonal flu vaccines increase risk of pandemic H1N1 flu, stunned scientists discover

 

[Tonington]

What they found was:

The putative association between seasonal vaccination and 2009 pH1N1 illness remains an open question, given the conflicting evidence from available research.