Big Brother in Canada?

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Big Brother in Canada

The pressure the US put on our government to tighten security is a reality, Alien. They were talking about closing the border, shutting down trade, etc. Our government caved in.

That was in the news here from the very beginning of this debacle. For you to try to deny it shows a complete lack of knowledge of what happened.

Your denial that it was the left who opposed this shows an ignorance of Canadian politics that seriously undermines any modicum of credibility you might have had. It was Bill Blaikie and the NDP who stood up to oppose the Security Bill. It was also the NDP that spoke out against what would have amounted to an internal passport, the NDP that first spoke out against the illegal arrest and deprtation of Maher Arar, the NDP who have stood up every single time your government put pressure on Canada to take rights and freedoms away from Canadian people because George Bush is a F**k up.

Doubt it? Go read Hansard. It's available on the internet.

The US would never shut down the border to Canada. We wanted assistance in catching bad guys who fly planes into buildings. Help a brother out would you!

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Big Brother in Canada

Learn the facts Eagle Smog. Hansard is available on the internet, and it will show just exactly how wrong you are. There are also press reports of Paul Cellucci, George Bush, and various members of your government threatening to shut down the border for everything from "security" to decriminalizing marijuana.

You really should do something about your lack of media access. Learning how to read might be a good first step.

 

[mrmom2]

You won't be so happy about it when they come for you alein there alot of innocent people that have been screwed over because of that act .Carl rove said the adminastratoin is your reality scary shit oh yea bush is above the law.sounds like a dictator to me

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Big Brother in Canada?

OOPS>>>OFF TOPIC AGAIN

 

[alienofwar]

Okay...Ill just say this then... lets pretend that 9/11 never happened and that terrorists are not interested in exploiting security holes in our systems. Lets go back to the Clinton era and hide in our holes while the Islamic fascists continued to duplicate at a rapid rate.

Okay Canadian socialists, lets pretend we live in a utopia where the source of all mankinds problems is the U.S.

Ah, yes, life is so much more easier and comfortable that way.

Wake up!! The fact of the matter is that Islamic extremists dont only hate the U.S they also hate the western world (yes, that includes you too Canada). They think we stand for everything that is immoral and that we are a threat to their belief. The fact of the matter is that Canada is a cest pool of anti-Americans (example being the many people who converge on this forum) and we must protect ourselves from those who wish us harm. Simple!! The threat exists, 9/11 is proof and we have holes in our security. And thats many more reasons why Canada needed more security.

It comes down to two things...security or freedom. Well lets see...I must live in order to enjoy freedom so I guess I should choose security. Oh but wait, doesn't the gov't want to take that freedom away from me??? Well than, I guess I want freedom then. What do we choose?

Its so simple, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out. I know the liberal socialists love to point fingers, but tell me, what would be the alternative?

Anyways Blair, can you please give me a link to the Hansard story.

Also, let me point out that I was not disputing the fact the U.S put lots of pressue on you guys to pass a security solution, I was arguing about what was contained in the security solution. Funny thing is, I dont recall hearing about threats to internet privacy in the U.S, why is this a problem in Canada already? Especially concerning the schools access. I mean good god Canadians, read the link in my last post...this security measure is real...time to stop pointing fingers and blaming the U.S, its time you stand up to the liberals who have had a grip on power for so long. Wake up!

 

[Reverend Blair]

Hansard is a daily transcript of what is said in Parliament every day, Alien. It isn't a single story. Give it a Google...make sure you Canadian version and not Britain or Austrailia. Check out who was arguing to preserve the rights and freedoms of Canadians. Bill Blaikie was leading the charge. He's a member of the NDP and my MP. The Liberals were bringing in the legislation. Anne McLellan was heading up their push. The Reform/Alliance were saying that the legislation wasn't tough enough.

Your belief that Islamist terrorists attacked you because they "hate your freedoms" is bizarre and sadly mistaken. The attacks happened because of US foreign policy. Bin Laden has been saying that from the very beginning. So have his followers.

Denying that is just perpetuating the problem.

 

[EagleSmack]

Hansard is a daily transcript of what is said in Parliament every day, Alien. It isn't a single story. Give it a Google...make sure you Canadian version and not Britain or Austrailia. Check out who was arguing to preserve the rights and freedoms of Canadians. Bill Blaikie was leading the charge. He's a member of the NDP and my MP. The Liberals were bringing in the legislation. Anne McLellan was heading up their push. The Reform/Alliance were saying that the legislation wasn't tough enough.

Your belief that Islamist terrorists attacked you because they "hate your freedoms" is bizarre and sadly mistaken. The attacks happened because of US foreign policy. Bin Laden has been saying that from the very beginning. So have his followers.

Denying that is just perpetuating the problem.

I do not believe Aliens belief is bizarre at all. It is true that Terrorist hate our foreign policy because it stands in their way. It is true... this vile sect of Islam thinks the west as immoral and yes that includes Canada. They despise our (and yours) freedoms. Look at where they sought refuge! Under the Taliban Govt. they found their view of an Islamic Utopia and Al Queda felt right at home. They are extremist and will stop at nothing and must be met head on. They do not wish to coexist peacefully and are intolerant of all other religions.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Big Brother in Canada

That's right, refuse to look at the real issues, refuse to take reponsibility for your actions, then live in fear. Good for you.

Do think George Bush's religion is any more tolerant than Osama's? It isn't.

 

[mrmom2]

Bush worships Molech at the bohemian grove his dad does and so did his grandfather .His going to church is just propaganda for the U.S. masses .

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Big Brother in Canada

That's right, refuse to look at the real issues, refuse to take reponsibility for your actions, then live in fear. Good for you.

Do think George Bush's religion is any more tolerant than Osama's? It isn't.

First off... I do not live in fear. I flew one week after 9/11 and went to Florida with my family in 11/11. I do not fear them, that is what they want. Spain... yes they feared them. The US will not cower.

What do you mean by refusing to take responsibility? Did we invade Iraq... of course. They hate us, they hate the West.

Refuse to listen to what they say. We stand up to them.

Listen Rev... the terrorist are counting on people like you. You are doing a good job. You must be proud.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Big Brother in Canada

What has Osama stated (several times) is the reason for his war with the United States? Hint: It has sweet FA to do with you freedoms.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Big Brother in Canada

What has Osama stated (several times) is the reason for his war with the United States? Hint: It has sweet FA to do with you freedoms.

Why on earth should we believe what that man has to say? Why is his word better than ours? He is a cold blooded killer. He is a Muslim Extremist.

Yeah and Bush Bush Bush.... USA USA USA... Its all their fault, everything.

 

[EagleSmack]

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/english.html

There you go!

Enjoy! Enjoy! Enjoy!

No US Propaganda... straight from the extremist themselves.

They mention you too Canada! So all the placating that you do, and pandering to these folks is all for naught.

CONVERT OR DIE!

Super reading. Eye opening.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Big Brother in Canada

He has said, time and again, that the war on the United States is because of their virtual occupation of the holiest land in the Middle East and the way they prop up corrupt regimes, such as the House of Saud.

Canada was named only we went to Afghanistan and we remain a tertiary target at best.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Big Brother in Canada

He has said, time and again, that the war on the United States is because of their virtual occupation of the holiest land in the Middle East and the way they prop up corrupt regimes, such as the House of Saud.

Canada was named only we went to Afghanistan and we remain a tertiary target at best.

I am not saying you are a target at all... all I am saying is that YOU... Canada... has been named as an undesirable state. Hey this is their stuff not mine.

Read it yourself. This is the law that they feel obligated to spread to the world. One way or the other.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Big Brother in Canada

Again, if you refuse to learn the facts, then you cannot understand reality.

 

[no1important]

Re: RE: Big Brother in Canada

What has Osama stated (several times) is the reason for his war with the United States? Hint: It has sweet FA to do with you freedoms.

Why on earth should we believe what that man has to say? Why is his word better than ours? He is a cold blooded killer. He is a Muslim Extremist.

Yeah and Bush Bush Bush.... USA USA USA... Its all their fault, everything.

Are you on drugs Eaglesmack?

They have their own way of life just like we have ours. "W" tries to force our lifestyle and ways of life on them. It does not and has not worked. Jesusland should learn to BUTT OUT of the middle east. You guys in Jesus land cause your own problems by interfering where it does not belong. Plain and simple.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Big Brother in Canada

Again, if you refuse to learn the facts, then you cannot understand reality.

Listen, I am reading what they are writing themselves! These are their words. They mention US policy as a side note. The big beef the have is Western Culture.

Look, I know it is easier to side against the US. I mean hey, the CIA isn't going to fill trains with bomb filled suitcases. Al Queda will in a heart beat.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Big Brother in Canada

What has Osama stated (several times) is the reason for his war with the United States? Hint: It has sweet FA to do with you freedoms.

Why on earth should we believe what that man has to say? Why is his word better than ours? He is a cold blooded killer. He is a Muslim Extremist.

Yeah and Bush Bush Bush.... USA USA USA... Its all their fault, everything.

Are you on drugs Eaglesmack?

They have their own way of life just like we have ours. "W" tries to force our lifestyle and ways of life on them. It does not and has not worked. Jesusland should learn to BUTT OUT of the middle east. You guys in Jesus land cause your own problems by interfering where it does not belong. Plain and simple.

That is the thing that you refuse to listen to. They do want their ways forced on the west. One way or the other.

By the way... is it necessary to call the US "Jesus Land". Is the mocking of religion tolerated as an accepted form of debate and dialoge on these forums?

 

[Reverend Blair]

By the way... is it necessary to call the US "Jesus Land". Is the mocking of religion tolerated as an accepted form of debate and dialoge on these forums?

We're not mocking religion, we're mocking people backwards enough to allow an ancient mythology to dicate governmental policy.

That is the thing that you refuse to listen to. They do want their ways forced on the west. One way or the other.

They don't give a rat's ass if we leave them alone. You grabbed one inflammatory web page instead of considering what the leader of their movement, likely the most significant political figure in the Middle East, has actually been saying for well over a decade.

It takes massive intellectual cowardice to ignore the obvious and play up a fallacy based on recruitment rhetoric.