Biden’s gay-marriage gaffe is mess for White House

Niflmir

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So when the siblings of a baby adopted by same sex parents finds them (or the other way around) does DNA make them legal heirs in that they are the living relatives of the couple's 'only child'?

Is there any protection for the child that they can never be written out of the will and only 'natural children' get the spoils?

All of your questions can be answered by removing the words "same sex". The answers are no to the first, and no and no to the second combined question. Why would it be any different for same sex parents?
 

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Why would you expect me to have an answer for that? (in that I'm not one, a parent in a same sex marriage) I raised my step-grandson from when he was an infant, since I don't have a 'natural grandson' I couldn't even answer that truthfully.
And as far as step-kids some I like better than others, same as with my own brothers and sisters, some I like better than others. You can't tell me there is a zero percent possibility that neither side would want to become a single parent to an adopted child that they didn't really bond with yet would move heaven and hell to get custody. I don't believe the level would be zero, hopefully not far above that.

The child could write his DNA parents into his own will though.
 

Niflmir

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Why would you expect me to have an answer for that? (in that I'm not one, a parent in a same sex marriage) I raised my step-grandson from when he was an infant, since I don't have a 'natural grandson' I couldn't even answer that truthfully.
And as far as step-kids some I like better than others, same as with my own brothers and sisters, some I like better than others. You can't tell me there is a zero percent possibility that neither side would want to become a single parent to an adopted child that they didn't really bond with yet would move heaven and hell to get custody. I don't believe the level would be zero, hopefully not far above that.

The child could write his DNA parents into his own will though.

Why would I expect you to be able to answer why you inserted the words "same sex" into a question? Maybe because you were the one that asked the question. The issues you are bringing up are universal, they are not tied solely to same sex relationships. You might have been asking the questions rhetorically?
 

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Nancy Pelosi: My Catholic Faith ‘Compels’ Me to Support Same-Sex Marriage



House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday she supports same-sex marriage because her Catholic faith “compels” her to “be against discrimination of any kind.”

“My religion has, compels me–and I love it for it–to be against discrimination of any kind in our country, and I consider this a form of discrimination. I think it’s unconstitutional on top of that,” Pelosi said during her weekly Capitol press briefing.

Calling President Barack Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage “a great day for America,“ Pelosi said she hopes it will ”bring people together on the issue.”

“It’s a matter of time, it’s all a matter of time,” Pelosi said. “On these issues, what is inevitable to some of us is inconceivable to others. What we want to do is shorten the difference between the inevitable and the inconceivable and I think the president went a long way in doing that yesterday.

Nancy Pelosi: My Catholic Faith ‘Compels’ Me to Support Same-Sex Marriage | Video | TheBlaze.com
 

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Why would there be? Is there any law that requires people to bequeath things to all of their children?
I didn't say all, I'm meaning cutting a child out of a will completely, natural or not. I thought you had to leave them $1 or something like that a and then you better have a good reason of the will could be contested. No examples to show..

In a hetro family there is a clear-cut mother and father who would be in the normal roles where the woman would be the primary care-giver and the father is out working in the typical marriage. That is the difference I was trying to show.

Why is the OP deemed to be a mistake anyway? This way their personal feelings are out and the 'official stance' will be Government ruled rather than by an individual ruled.
 

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The supreme court of BC decided on that. They claimed that criminalizing polyamory was unconstitutional but that the government had a legitimate democratic/social reason for banning it: the reason being the protection of women. I think most women's rights groups recommend simply having it not be legal, as opposed to criminalizing it.

I have no problems with polyamory between unsheltered consenting individuals. I think the courts probably made the right decision, given the current culture.

Looks like people need to evolve more. Who are they to decide (government, women's rights groups) what is right for other people? What if 3 men wanted to get married?
 

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In a hetro family there is a clear-cut mother and father who would be in the normal roles where the woman would be the primary care-giver and the father is out working in the typical marriage. That is the difference I was trying to show.

In 1955 maybe, which would be the last time that was the 'norm'.

Looks like people need to evolve more. Who are they to decide (government, women's rights groups) what is right for other people? What if 3 men wanted to get married?

Then let them. I don't get why people are so concerned with what other people do. Particularly when it doesn't affect them in the slightest.
 

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1955 is when I was knee-high. The place I grew up in was always 1947, almost to the 1970's, that is when the automobile was discovered and the rest is a dusty history, so to speak. Even (insert impoverished name here) was a step up as they had a history to lean on.
 

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Biden Apologizes to Obama for Same-Sex Marriage Comments



Vice President Joe Biden apologized to President Obama on Wednesday for getting ahead of his boss by coming out publicly in favor of same-sex marriages, sources familiar with the exchange told ABC News.

The conversation took place in the Oval Office before Obama sat down with ABC News’ Robin Roberts for an interview during which he announced support for the unions, the sources said.

Biden set into motion frenzy over Obama’s position on same-sex marriage after saying Sunday on “Meet the Press” that he was “absolutely comfortable” with the unions.

Obama told Roberts yesterday that Biden “probably got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity of spirit.”


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Biden Apologizes to Obama for Same-Sex Marriage Comments



Vice President Joe Biden apologized to President Obama on Wednesday for getting ahead of his boss by coming out publicly in favor of same-sex marriages, sources familiar with the exchange told ABC News.

The conversation took place in the Oval Office before Obama sat down with ABC News’ Robin Roberts for an interview during which he announced support for the unions, the sources said.

Biden set into motion frenzy over Obama’s position on same-sex marriage after saying Sunday on “Meet the Press” that he was “absolutely comfortable” with the unions.

Obama told Roberts yesterday that Biden “probably got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity of spirit.”


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Biden Apologizes to Obama for Same-Sex Marriage Comments - ABC News
Considering the source, ABC, I don't believe it for a minute. This whole thing was planned so that another strawman would distract from the Bamster's record.
 

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Nancy Pelosi: My Catholic Faith ‘Compels’ Me to Support Same-Sex Marriage



House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday she supports same-sex marriage because her Catholic faith “compels” her to “be against discrimination of any kind.”

“My religion has, compels me–and I love it for it–to be against discrimination of any kind in our country, and I consider this a form of discrimination. I think it’s unconstitutional on top of that,” Pelosi said during her weekly Capitol press briefing.

Calling President Barack Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage “a great day for America,“ Pelosi said she hopes it will ”bring people together on the issue.”

“It’s a matter of time, it’s all a matter of time,” Pelosi said. “On these issues, what is inevitable to some of us is inconceivable to others. What we want to do is shorten the difference between the inevitable and the inconceivable and I think the president went a long way in doing that yesterday.

Nancy Pelosi: My Catholic Faith ‘Compels’ Me to Support Same-Sex Marriage | Video | TheBlaze.com

Right, Nancy. I suggest she read the Vatican letter On the Pastoral Care of Homosexuals. It's on its website and clearly defines homosexuality as an intrinsic evil.. alien to the human condition , to the natural order of human relationships, and deeply corrosive to the human identity.

Pelosi has used her 'Catholicism' in the past to condone her support of abortion, for forcing Catholic institutions to provide contraception in contravention of their moral beliefs, of support of euthenasia.


I'm pretty sure she doesn't believe in God, which by its definition imposes an objective moral architecture and obligation, rather than a subjective, insubstantial relativism (which is always a product of atheism)... although she has no problem as defining herself as more Catholic than the Pope.. with special insights into what Catholics ought to believe. :roll:
 
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Joe doesn't care. It won him the date with Barney Frank he has longed for. When the date is done we''l have to wait and see who speaks in the higher octave. Then we'll really know about good old Joe.
 

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Looks like people need to evolve more. Who are they to decide (government, women's rights groups) what is right for other people? What if 3 men wanted to get married?
How would that affect you?

I support the right of consenting adults to freely define their own relationships without interference by the state or self appointed morality police.
 

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I support the right of consenting adults to freely define their own relationships without interference by the state or self appointed morality police.
I agree; the guvmint shouldn't force them, and they shouldn't force the guvmint, to call it a marriage.
 

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Right, Nancy. I suggest she read the Vatican letter On the Pastoral Care of Homosexuals. It's on its website and clearly defines homosexuality as an intrinsic evil.. alien to the human condition , to the natural order of human relationships, and deeply corrosive to the human identity.

Pelosi has used her 'Catholicism' in the past to condone her support of abortion, for forcing Catholic institutions to provide contraception in contravention of their moral beliefs, of support of euthenasia.


I'm pretty sure she doesn't believe in God, which by its definition imposes an objective moral architecture and obligation, rather than a subjective, insubstantial relativism (which is always a product of atheism)... although she has no problem as defining herself as more Catholic than the Pope.. with special insights into what Catholics ought to believe. :roll:

Are you saying that catholics can not think for themselves but must profess blind obedience to what a group of evil old men in a foreign country dictate?
 

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Are you saying that catholics can not think for themselves but must profess blind obedience to what a group of evil old men in a foreign country dictate?


The Catholic faith is governed by reason and free will. All its members are obliged to use this in making informed life decisions.

The Church, with 2000 years of moral development.. provides a guide for those personal choices, vetted by the intense introspection, revelation, experience and apologetics of any number of saints and geniuses that have written the canons, catechism and theology of the Catholic Church.

The Church does not demand 'blind profession'.. merely a statement of belief in the Apostles Creed.. which implicitly accepts the reality of absolute Good and Evil in the world. Beyond that the choices.. and the consequences.. are up to you. :)
 

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How would that affect you?

I support the right of consenting adults to freely define their own relationships without interference by the state or self appointed morality police.

It wouldn't affect me at all. Where does the government and certain Women's Rights groups get off telling men they can't have more than one wife? Visa versa... or multiple spouses of the same sex. They need to evolve one would think.