BC Snap Election : Oct. 24-2020

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
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I am very happy about the election Ron and am voting NDP for the first time in my life. Hell I was a card carrying Reform Party member. The reality is that the Liberals haven't a hope in hell of getting a majority, the Conservatives are all but nonexistent and most of all I want the climate alarmist party and their new leader to be relegated to the back benches again. No more power sharing with them. I want a majority government and the only way to get that is by voting NDP so I will hold my nose and do it.
Ouch.
 

bill barilko

Senate Member
Mar 4, 2009
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If they give me the Lions Gate Bridge as well they've got my vote!
OK I heard back from the Lieberals they offered the Pitt River Bridge-which is newer & bigger but lacks the cachet of the LGB-I'm undecided.


 

Mowich

Hall of Fame Member
Dec 25, 2005
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Yeah...................I know.............probably gave more than a couple of members heart palpitations but it is what it is, pete. I want a majority government. After listening to Sonia Furstenau's - new leader of the green party in BC - acceptance speech, I made up my mind then and there. Frankly, she has all my antennae aquiver and my spidey senses on full alert.......if you get my meaning. Back benches for her. Wilkson - liberal party leader is a joke. I don't even know who the conservative leader is not that it would matter as we rarely have a candidate run in our district. Horgan has done a fair job during the pandemic. I especially like that he took a back seat to those who can speak to the pandemic and have even come to respect Adrian Dix - our Min of Health. And everyone knows our dear little Dr Henry.

Horgan is not a died-in-the wool socialist and he is intelligent. Had the election not left him having to rely on Weaver, I have always believed we would not have seen the same amount of turmoil over the pipeline that we did - if I remember correctly while in opposition at one point, he was in favor of the line. Weaver's inclusion in government decisions especially the pipeline ensured that the government stood in firm opposition to the line. Thus my dedication to shutting them out this time.


P.S.
Happy Fat Bear Week!
 

pgs

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 29, 2008
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News is a lot more than passing along a politician’s sound bite

In the Wild West of lore, news arrived by messenger on horseback. In the wild frontier of the 21st century, the horseback deliverers are gone, but the idea of news as mere messages lives on.

Every journalist keeps a constantly updated list of overused words and phrases. My submission in honour of World News Day 2020 is “messages” in all its various forms, and particularly the oft-asked media question: “what is your message?”

On many occasions, this is a question justifiably intended to get to the point, to get the interviewee to stop beating around the bush.

But my concern is how this whole news-as-message concept is feeding public cynicism — not just in the message, but in the medium too.

If we are only looking for messages, we may be missing the news, and if this year’s global pandemic has taught us anything, it is that we need news more than we have in a long time.

Messages are what we are sent; news helps us figure out what to do with that information.

“Wear a mask” is a message. “Masks have been found to stop the spread of COVID-19” is news. “People aren’t wearing masks enough to contain the virus” is bad news.

Messages don’t always contain all the facts we need; real news does. Messages sometimes gloss over the difficult details; news in its best form does not. Donald Trump and others have been trying to persuade citizens they can’t trust the news, but what’s certainly less trustworthy is “messaging” we see on the public stage.

It was Sonia Furstenau, the newly elected leader of the British Columbia Green Party, who first made me aware of how the scourge of “messaging” had infiltrated political conversation. She was speaking in late 2018 at a B.C. rally for democratic reform, and I was sent the video clip of her remarks because she made some references to political marketing.

Furstenau talked about how a fellow politician had recently complimented her on her “messaging” and she recoiled at the word.
“I’m sorry, it’s not messaging. It’s what I actually, truly believe,” Furstenau said.

Her point is that a “message” from a politician is not the same as a belief, a conviction or even a proper answer. Messages are what you get after you put your beliefs into a tidy package for public consumption; like an advertising slogan or a branding logo.

Once you hear a politician like Furstenau make this distinction, you can’t unhear it. Suddenly you realize how often we are using “messaging” as a synonym for actual, real answers from our political types. And you wonder whether you are helping seal the impression that all political dialogue is simply an empty, message-trading bazaar.

I am sure I’m guilty of it; I even caught myself asking a cabinet minister just the other day about messaging in a time of COVID. But I have been trying to correct myself when tempted to ask politicians about their messages, because it feels now like waving the white flag to the message-management industry. Too often the tell-me-your-message questions boil down to: “I know I’m never going to get a real answer from you, so let me ask you instead what you’ve packaged for me to take away from this conversation.”

News-gatherers, admittedly, can be exasperating to the purveyors of messages. Former prime minister Stephen Harper declared early in his tenure that he intended to bypass the media as much as possible and that he would look for other ways to “get the message out.” That declaration revealed a fundamental misunderstanding of journalism’s purpose. It’s not there just to “get out” messages, but to sort through the flood of them for information the public needs.

Politicians don’t really need the news to get their messages out, but they do need people to believe in the news, especially during a public-health crisis — when knowing what’s actually happening in your community or your country has real-life consequences. No one trying to decide whether to send their kids to school or how to preserve their livelihood in a pandemic is going to be satisfied with a mere message. They need news they can trust.

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If we were still living in the age of messengers on horseback, we would be in the midst of a stampede. Everyone has tools now to transmit messages, on social media, on the streets, or on their phones. The answer to that ubiquitous question — what is your message? — is everywhere.

News is exactly what’s needed to punch through that galloping rampage of “messaging.” News is what happens when we get off the message track.


www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2020/09/27/news-is-a-lot-more-than-passing-along-a-politicians-sound-bite.html
Head for the hills .
 

taxslave

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 25, 2008
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I am very happy about the election Ron and am voting NDP for the first time in my life. Hell I was a card carrying Reform Party member. The reality is that the Liberals haven't a hope in hell of getting a majority, the Conservatives are all but nonexistent and most of all I want the climate alarmist party and their new leader to be relegated to the back benches again. No more power sharing with them. I want a majority government and the only way to get that is by voting NDP so I will hold my nose and do it.
Traitor.
 

Hoid

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 15, 2017
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So far I have received one mailing (BC Lib) one rotocall to attend some online BCLibfest and last night the NDP sent me a text message on my phone. How they got that number? Well I watch videos on my phone and youtube sells them my number. Every time I watched youtube video I got Horgan's speal about the opportunity that came up for an election.
 

Hoid

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Oct 15, 2017
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On the Horgan video I had to "skip it" about 15 times before they stopped. If I had let it run its length the first time I would not have had to see it again.
 

Twin_Moose

Hall of Fame Member
Apr 17, 2017
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The next lock down is coming because we are starting to ignore the Lib. Gov. rules to stay scared and embrace the UN mandate being pushed on us