BC Liberals make gains, but BC NDP still lead polls in Lower Mainland

damngrumpy

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I still have a few friends in news room and a few crunched some numbers.
The NDP made some voter gains and the Greens picked up a lot of votes
The truth is a lot of Green votes came at the expense of the Liberal not NDP
I doubt Christie will survive this she lost four cabinet ministers and six seats
If it is a minority it will last abut 1 8 months
 

JLM

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That is absolute bull sh!t. Logging is still happening only they are shipping raw logs out of country. Also, when I came to this province in the 70s everybody could get a job. Then they mechanized everything and put half the people out of work. I laughed at people when Weldwood in Quesnel announced they were putting in 3 million in improvements at the mill. When I said they were going to mechanize and put most of them out of work they laughed. And when the improvements were done, over half of them were laid off. You can't blame that on tree huggers. It has always been about corporate greed and over logging. There really isn't much of easily accessed timber left. That is why most logging today is high lead on steep ground. Even the loggers in the Slocan realized they were logging themselves out of a job and that their children would not have jobs in the industry when they grew up.


Mechanism is a part of progress, Cliffy, and also part of a process necessary to get product out to the customer for the lowest price, other wise someone else will get the contract. Would you like to see us going back to logging the way it was done before the wheel was invented? :)

I still have a few friends in news room and a few crunched some numbers.
The NDP made some voter gains and the Greens picked up a lot of votes
The truth is a lot of Green votes came at the expense of the Liberal not NDP
I doubt Christie will survive this she lost four cabinet ministers and six seats
If it is a minority it will last abut 1 8 months


Dippers had almost identical share of the vote they did in the last election. Greenies got double at the expense of the Liberals. Christy will likely prevail as the Courtenay - Comox riding is largely made up of the absentee vote, mainly military who do not have a history of contributing to the Dipper vote. Actually the absentee vote in a number of ridings likely contain military votes.
 

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UPDATE: Christy Clark to continue governing as Premier, as parties jockey for minority position



Eh Cliffy wasup!? :lol:
 

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Cliffy

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Mechanism is a part of progress, Cliffy, and also part of a process necessary to get product out to the customer for the lowest price, other wise someone else will get the contract. Would you like to see us going back to logging the way it was done before the wheel was invented? :)
Don't be so obtuse. You said that jobs were lost because of tree huggers and in fact they were lost to automation, raw log exports and over logging.
 

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Don't be so obtuse. You said that jobs were lost because of tree huggers and in fact they were lost to automation, raw log exports and over logging.

Automation ??? Whatever happened to all this high tech jobs the NDP keeps babbling about??
 

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Don't be so obtuse. You said that jobs were lost because of tree huggers and in fact they were lost to automation, raw log exports and over logging.

Sure, think about how many mining and forestry jobs there were years ago... nothing to do with the gubmint making the regulatory requirements so ridiculous that it was cheaper to move operations away?
 

JLM

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Sure, think about how many mining and forestry jobs there were years ago... nothing to do with the gubmint making the regulatory requirements so ridiculous that it was cheaper to move operations away?


I can remember the day when towns like Port Alberni and Trail were a couple of the highest pay roll towns in the country and kids right out of high school were driving brand new Chev Impalas and then the Hippy generation arrived and it all went down the tube. They didn't want to work so they figured no one else should either.
 

JLM

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Don't be so obtuse. You said that jobs were lost because of tree huggers and in fact they were lost to automation, raw log exports and over logging.


I know everyone bad mouths "raw log" exports, but you have to look realistically at the countries who are buying the raw logs! Can they perhaps do the "finishing processing" cheaper than we can do it in Canada? Maybe it's a case of us selling something or selling nothing! :) There is just no practical way you can force someone to buy something they don't want.
 

JLM

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Don't be so obtuse. You said that jobs were lost because of tree huggers and in fact they were lost to automation, raw log exports and over logging.


How the hell do you think these contractors could make money to survive when their equipment was getting sabotaged and Assholes were blocking their operations. Read up on Meares Island or the Walbran Valley on Vancouver Island.
 

damngrumpy

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there is more than one riding in doubt and it cuts both ways this thing is not over at all
as for raw logs as mentioned all shipments of raw logs should end period and all soft
wood should be held back and rationed sparingly as the American Market struggles to
have enough product creating a problem we really need to find new customers and
slowly ween ourselves of dependence of a country operated by a nut case
 

JLM

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there is more than one riding in doubt and it cuts both ways this thing is not over at all
as for raw logs as mentioned all shipments of raw logs should end period and all soft
wood should be held back and rationed sparingly as the American Market struggles to
have enough product creating a problem we really need to find new customers and
slowly ween ourselves of dependence of a country operated by a nut case


I think you are right, as there are several ridings in doubt. Just heard on the news tonight the # of absentee ballots is up in the hundreds of thousands, a lot of which are military and military historically has supported the gov't. Trump may prove not to be the "nut case" many think- he's not a stupid man! Granted he's a little eccentric, but who isn't?
 

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The Greens are in talks with the Liberals and the NDP to work out a deal. If the Greens side with the Liberals, then it's business as usual with the Liberals agreeing to some Green policies. But the balance of power is so narrow that one rebel Green MLA could throw the whole thing off. If there is a Liberal/Green coalition and it breaks down over time, the result is likely another election.

If the Greens side with the NDP, there's still uncertainty. The Lieutenant Governor has given Christy Clark the go ahead to form a government, which means Clark is still in charge and the legislature has to vote out her government.

So an NDP/Green coalition could vote against the government and the Lt. Gov. appoints (presumably) Horgan as Premier or an NDP/Green coalition votes against the government and Christy Clark asks the Lt. Gov. to dissolve the legislature and we have another election.

If the NDP and the Greens form a government, it isn't guaranteed to last 4 years. We could end up with another election fairly soon. That would be the best case scenario if you're a Liberal supporter. As a Liberal supporter you'd assume that the NDP and the Greens would do a terrible job running the province, so a few years out of power and then an election would bring the Liberals back.