Bashir on rape of women in Darfur
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Darfur who?
Yes, I know, and that's the attitude our government is taking too.
This has been ongoing since 1983!!!!:angryfire:
NINETEEN FREAKING EIGHTY THREE, and nothing is done!
...............well, more people are raped and slaughtered, but, you know what I mean.
At least the world is now free of genocide:roll:
Yes, I know, and that's the attitude our government is taking too.
This has been ongoing since 1983!!!!:angryfire:
NINETEEN FREAKING EIGHTY THREE, and nothing is done!
...............well, more people are raped and slaughtered, but, you know what I mean.
At least the world is now free of genocide:roll:
Geezus Nugg!!!
Until today, I knew that there was genocide in Sudan, but what I've read just today, has made my skin crawl.
Rape, massacres, human enslavement? WTF is wrong with these people? Why haven't the self anointed "humanists" and "humanitarians" been focusing the same energy on the Islamic extremists that run the Sudan, as they have on the Israeli's?
I for one, am appalled at the lack of action by both our gov't and the so called activists that condemn Israel, while this truly barbaric act is allowed to be committed almost unchecked!!!
Absolutely appalling.
Even now with a supposed peace agreement in place, there are new waves of attack on Jebel Marra. Which have had and will continue to have the same outcome. Rape, mass murder and enslavement, on a genocidal scale.
While nary a peep from the supposed humanitarians.
How many other places on the planet are experiencing similar atrocities that we don't even hear about? It is easy (for me) to lose hope in humanity when the world is so full of such sick and demented behaviour. I spent most of my life railing against it but when I had two heart attacks in 6 weeks of each other, I had to adapt a different attitude.
You and me both Cliffy.
I was once an active activist for the Native community. Not in the same cpacity as the ones you see blockading roads, although I was once of that mindset years ago. But more a thorn in the side of our corrupt leadership.
Now, I take a much more passive role, I tutor and guide those that came after me. With the assistance of other leaders of Native communities, who at one point, enlisted me.
Activism need not end with a weakening of your health. You just have to focus your energy in whatever manner suits your abilities. I too have had a heart attack, went nearly bankrupt and am in the process of building a new business, and I teeter on the verge of loosing everything. But I still have time to guide, advise and assist young Native people, who have taken up where I left off.
But here is where I take issue. Groups like the MWS, although near defunct, have an agenda. Their collective agenda has long since been manipulated to protect a criminal element. Long gone are the days when they railed against the tyranny of the "Man", so to speak.
They show up at land dispute protests and the proverbial shyte hits the fan. Their brand of activism is a lie. They're self serving and they hide their actual intent of anarchism and criminality, behind the vale of human (read Native) rights defenders. When in fact they only care about what it puts in their personal pockets.
The MWS, though they claim to be the Warrior of the people, engage in criminal activity the endangers the lives, security and freedom of their Native brethren. There militant behavior is counter productive to free and open negotiations. They completely ignore (If not support) corruption, that is far more insidious then land claims issues, and far more acutely detrimental to the people, they claim to protect.
In short, they are not what they claim to be.
This is very much the same thing we see coming from the supposed "humanitarians" and their crusade against Israel. In almost every case of it, they are one in the same as the trouble makers in the MWS. Only their agenda isn't about lining their pockets, it's about fulfilling their ideological goals. Same methods, different rewards.
They stand behind rhetoric, half truths, lies, misconceptions and myths. They use whatever weaponized piece of propaganda they can get their hands on. No matter how distasteful it may be. When ever confronted, they throw up the same shield, human rights and humanitarianism.
This is a fallacious defense.
For if they were what they self describe as. They would rail against the greater evils that plague mankind. Very much like the first responders do at an accident scene, they asses and triage the scene. Those in the most dire straits and the most need of care, get first attention.
Yet they don't do that. They selectively pick the people they wish to attack, and attack it is. In so doing allowing far greater evils to manifest and grow unchecked. There is an underlying agenda there. An insidious one at that. Ripe with contempt, hate and a form of ideological enslavement that boggles the mind.
They all purport to be defenders of the weak, seekers of peace, and champions of humanitarianism, but in fact, that is an absolute fallacy. Which is easily exposed when you look at the true and actual cases of evil, abuse, genocide, apartheid, and human rights violation, they turn a blind eye to.
I find these people repugnant and of the lowest form of ignorant thinking. They're simple minded and insult all those they try to sway with their insipid, ageda fueled hate.
Well ES, lets do the math, shall we?
Refugees...
Palestinian/Israeli conflict.
Refugees, as of 1949 (descendants aren't refugees) 950,000 (The majority of which left after being advised to by the Arab states).
Sudan/Darfur conflict.
Refugees, as of "ongoing" (As hostilities have yet to end) 3,000,000, and increasing daily.
Death toll.
Palestinian/Israeli conflict.
Death toll 1948 to 2010, Approximately 68,000, total Palestian and Israeli.
Sudan/Darfur.
Death toll since the inception of the SUdans policy of ethnic cleansing.
700+ Combatants killed, 106 Gov't Troops killed, 300,000 civilians killed, 51 Peacekeepers.
The greater evil is still ignored by the anti Israeli clowns.
I was reading yesterday in Le Devoir that the UN has already approached Canada asking for Canadian Peace keepers to be sent to Darfur after 2011. Looks like the UN took note of our withdrawal from Afghanistan. The year seems to co-incidental otherwise.
I think I could support such a move.
I think I could support such a move.
So do I.
I have not always been a big supporter of the "Peacekeeper" label so loosely applied to the Canadian Forces. I feel it demeans the fighting stock of our men and women.
But I will say, we are well equipped and ever more well trained to do so, that in this case, given the very volatile nature of the crisis. We would be best suited to be the leaders of any Peacekeeping mission.
I think it has more to do with out-of-sight-out-of-mind than lack of concern here.
I've known about the various global atrocities against women for quite a while, but unless someone brings the topic up, I don't mention it often.
Some atrocities are based in unfathomable crulety: such as inserting objects into little girls in order to destroy any chance of them giving birth to a child who may grow up to be an enemy. Or cutting off the breasts of a woman with a boy child so the boy will starve.
Oh Anna, I know you are a true humanitarian, by your feelings on various topics.
Just because you don't voice copious amounts of outrage on them, doesn't mean I don't notice. Now if you voiced selective criticism, then I would question your intent and your proclamations of being a humanitarian, if you so chose to describe yourself as such.
I wasn't referring to me necessarily, I just gave myself as an example. I am sure that other humanitarians don't talk about it unless it comes up in the course of topics either.
Anyway, I don't care what religion, skin-color, geographical native, etc. one is from, if they pull acts like that they deserve appropriate retribution.
But what of those that use extremism, lies, deny fact and fight so vehemently about a lesser cause, while claiming is this great big giant genocidal issue. When in fact it isn't even remotely close to what we see in Darfur. Are they still truly humanitarians? Or are they something more insidious?
Pontificators. Posers. The ones you meant in your OP would be spurious, quasi, or specious humanitarians. (Pick a synonymous adjective. lol)
8O Asw someone said in Gone With The Wind, "You madame, are no lady". lol (Or something like that)
they are just bigot , they couldn't get the wisdom of Koran... they just use it for their profits making up Sheria-laws out of their asses. They are not real Muslims and they deserve to go to hell more than the others whom they despise for they are not Muslim, .
i always try to explain that Islam doesn't belong to Arabians or Iranians , but everybody insist on it because despising Islam is easier showing those so-called Muslims.
believe me they don't respect Koran as much as we do but they just interpret Koran as they wish, so you assume that Islam is like what they perform.
Islam was born in Arabia because they needed to mend their ways more than the others . it worked at that time but after some centuries, Islam seems to be the most irritating religion because of their actions.
if you mean the Islam Arabians and Iranians experience, yes i also hate it but Islam with its original doctrins and rules without Sheria, i find a lot of thing to believe in it.
Fair enough.
Again, fair enough.
I general yes, but I do recognize that not all of Islam is like that. Unfortunately, I had to pry your contempt for this version of Islam, out of you.
More Muslims like yourself, need to be more vocal, you need to scream from the highest mountains, so that all can not ignore you. Protest those that defame Islam, condemn them for what they are, and never say we should not speak of them. If you want people to see the Islam you practice, the Islam I also know exists. You as a righteous Muslim, need to be more vocal about atrocities committed by and in the name of Islam. We all should, but you should most of all. Then more and more people will begin to embrace the people of the real Islam.
Agreed. Would you believe, that in my research, I learned that when the Crusaders invaded the East, they were the barbarians, and Islam was at the height of its Renaissance. What they had achieved, what they attempted to do at and by that time was decades ahead of the west. They actually respected the artisans of differing religious sects, they were united and gave the world such beautiful treasures.
Sadly, very much like us Natives, they seemed to embrace the negative aspects of those that would concur them.
Again selin, I find that when you open up and let out that enlightened voice you poses, you are very sincere and I appreciate that.