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elevennevele

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Colpy said:
I'll not have you talking down to me......I've FORGOTTEN more about these subjects than you will ever know.......

Well, he does appear to know a lot about the subject/history. How much have you forgotten? Ok, that was just a little jest.

Colpy said:
BTW, I've spent 35 years interested in international politics, and during that time got degrees with emphasis on history and political science.

Nobody gets to qualify themselves this way. I have had people use the ‘expert’ argument on me in other areas of profession while not knowing that I was more studied in the field. For all you know, this other person could have wrote history books on the subject.

We only prove ourselves through the value of our postings.

But in defense of you Colpy neither can a person claim you must get you news from the idiot box.
 

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Colpy said:
But Israel , if she ever was, CEASED being the agressor in this area (I mean the entire ME) many, many years ago. Israel treats her minority Arab population with respect. Israel would gladly abandon 97% of the West Bank and Gaza for peace, and offered to do so, only to be attacked once again.

Israel is extremely ruthless in her own defense, but it is in her DEFENSE, unlike her enemies.


I would refute the statement that Israel “CEASED being the aggressor in this area”. In claims of ‘self-defense’, they have been an aggressor in claiming lands, destroying property, and killing civilians.

Of course they would use the argument of ‘self-defense’. It can be a very convenient excuse. They can take away someone's olive tree orchard, put it behind a big wall on their side and then say that the trees could have hid militants had the farmer still owned it.

They’ve taken peoples homes/land much the same way. Even if no such actions had been committed on that property to warrant the stealing of the property.

The innocent people on the Israelis side are simply the Israelis who’s only want to live peacefully, and are not really responsible for what their government, or hard-liners in their community have done.


Amnesty slams Israel 'war crimes'

http://www.amnestyusa.org/

http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/isr-summary-eng

Israel and the Occupied Territories

Israel and the Occupied Territories and the Palestinian Authority: Act now to stop the killing of children!
(AI Index: MDE 02/002/2004)

Covering events from January - December 2004
The Israeli army killed more than 700 Palestinians, including some 150 children. Most were killed unlawfully — in reckless shooting, shelling and air strikes in civilian residential areas; in extrajudicial executions; and as a result of excessive use of force. Palestinian armed groups killed 109 Israelis — 67 of them civilians and including eight children — in suicide bombings, shootings and mortar attacks. Stringent restrictions imposed by the Israeli army on the movement of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories caused widespread poverty and unemployment and hindered access to health and education facilities. The Israeli army destroyed several hundred Palestinian homes, large areas of agricultural land, and infrastructure networks. Israel continued to expand illegal settlements and to build a fence/wall through the West Bank, confining Palestinians in isolated enclaves cut off from their land and essential services in nearby towns and villages. Israeli settlers increased their attacks against Palestinians and their property and against international human rights workers. Certain abuses committed by the Israeli army constituted crimes against humanity and war crimes, including unlawful killings; extensive and wanton destruction of property; obstruction of medical assistance and targeting of medical personnel; torture; and the use of Palestinians as “human shields”. The deliberate targeting of civilians by Palestinian armed groups constituted crimes against humanity.

Background

In February Prime Minister Ariel Sharon announced the “disengagement plan”, to evacuate all Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip and four in the West Bank, while maintaining military control of all land and sea access to the Gaza Strip, and of its airspace. In October Prime Minister Sharon’s bureau chief publicly stated that the evacuation of Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip was intended to strengthen Israeli control of much of the West Bank, where more than 100 Israeli settlements are located. Israel started to build a network of secondary roads and tunnels in the West Bank intended to keep existing main roads for the sole use of Israeli settlers. No steps were taken to implement the “road map” peace plan, agreed the previous year by Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA) and sponsored by the USA, the UN, the European Union and Russia. After the death of PA President Yasser Arafat in November, the “road map” sponsors expressed renewed interest in its implementation and urged Israel and the PA to resume peace negotiations within its framework.

Killings and attacks by the Israeli army

The Israeli army killed around 700 Palestinians, including some 150 children, in the Occupied
Territories, most of them unlawfully. Many were killed in deliberate as well as reckless shooting, shelling and bombardment of densely populated residential areas or as a result of excessive use of force. Some 120 Palestinians were killed in extrajudicial executions, including more than 30 bystanders, of whom four were children. Others were killed in armed clashes with Israeli soldiers. Thousands of others were injured.

* Four Palestinian schoolgirls were shot dead by the Israeli army in their classrooms or walking to school in the Gaza Strip in September and October. Raghda Adnan al-Assar and Ghadeer Jaber Mukhaymar, aged 10 and nine, were shot dead by Israeli soldiers while sitting at their desks in UN schools in Khan Yunis refugee camp. Eight-year-old Rania Iyad Aram was shot dead by Israeli soldiers as she was walking to school. On 5 October Israeli soldiers shot dead 13-year-old Iman al-Hams near her school in Rafah. According to an army communication recording of the incident and testimonies of soldiers, a commander repeatedly shot the child at close range even though soldiers had identified her as “a little girl... scared to death”. The commander was charged with illegal use of his weapon, obstructing justice, improper use of authority and unbecoming conduct. He was not charged with murder or manslaughter.
* On 22 March, Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmad Yassin, a 66-year-old wheelchair-bound paraplegic, was assassinated in an Israeli air-strike as he was leaving a mosque in Gaza City after dawn prayers. Seven other Palestinians were killed in the attack and at least 17 were injured. His successor, ‘Abd al-’Aziz al-Rantisi, was likewise assassinated by the Israeli army on 17 April.
* Ten-year-old Walid Naji Abu Qamar, 11-year-old Mubarak Salim al-Hashash, 13-year-old Mahmoud Tariq Mansour and five others were killed on 19 May in Rafah in the Gaza Strip when the Israeli army opened fire with tank shells and a helicopter-launched missile on a non-violent demonstration. Dozens of other unarmed demonstrators were also wounded in the attack.


‘Human shields’

Israeli soldiers continued to use Palestinians as “human shields” during military operations, forcing them to carry out tasks that endangered their lives, despite an injunction by the Israeli High Court banning the practice. A petition against the use of “human shields” submitted by Israeli and Palestinian human rights organizations to the Supreme Court in May 2002 was still pending at the end of 2004.

* In April, Israeli soldiers used 13-year-old Muhammed Badwan as a “human shield” during a demonstration in the West Bank village of Biddu. The soldiers placed the boy on the hood of their jeep and tied him to the front windscreen to discourage Palestinian demonstrators from throwing stones in their direction.
 

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well, it seems I've rubbed a number of people the wrong way. On reflection, that "I've FORGOTTEN..." crack was just a little arrogant.

Sorry.

From now on I'll leave the intellectual arrogance to others.

:)
 

elevennevele

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Neither am I excusing militant actions on the other side. Some actions taken are very much a crime as well. I simply find that when you lay ‘every’ piece of evidence on the table, there is quite a picture to be seen.

It should all be viewed in fairness.
 

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With contribution to the topic of this forum, this bit of news makes no sense to me. It’s not like the Israelis are losing, or appear short of bombs. This is completely shameful and dangerously antithetical towards a cessation of the violence. Who would want to be an accessory to what is happening.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/world/middleeast/22military.html?th&emc=th

U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis
By DAVID S. CLOUD and HELENE COOPER

The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of
precision-guided bombs to Israel, which some military
officers see as a sign of a longer campaign ahead.

...

The decision to quickly ship the weapons to Israel was made with relatively little debate within the Bush administration, the officials said. Its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others because of the appearance that the United States is actively aiding the Israeli bombing campaign in a way that could be compared to Iran’s efforts to arm and resupply Hezbollah.
 

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elevennevele said:
With contribution to the topic of this forum, this bit of news makes no sense to me. It’s not like the Israelis are losing, or appear short of bombs. This is completely shameful and dangerously antithetical towards a cessation of the violence. Who would want to be an accessory to what is happening.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/world/middleeast/22military.html?th&emc=th

U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis
By DAVID S. CLOUD and HELENE COOPER

The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of
precision-guided bombs to Israel, which some military
officers see as a sign of a longer campaign ahead.

...

The decision to quickly ship the weapons to Israel was made with relatively little debate within the Bush administration, the officials said. Its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others because of the appearance that the United States is actively aiding the Israeli bombing campaign in a way that could be compared to Iran’s efforts to arm and resupply Hezbollah.

This, from the Al Qaeda Times...no surprise there...those traitors wouldnt want the Hezbolassholes not to know about an incoming bomb shipment...
 

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I would refute the statement that Israel “CEASED being the aggressor in this area”.


After shelling Beirut in 1982 and killing over 18,000 civilians and injuring at least 30,000, Ariel Sharon proceeded to kill another 3,500 at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. This latter event was not an act of war but an act of barbarism. NATO intervened in Yugoslavia when similar atrocities occurred there. But the world stood by and did nothing in Lebanon. And it's still doing nothing to stop the Zionist aggression today.
 

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Freethinker and others:

How can someone have a balanced viewpoint if they only listen to one side? That's why its important to visit this website:

If Americans knew

I admit sources like "If Americans knew" are a form of selective truth propaganda, but they often contain truths missing from our news which is also guilty of selective truth propaganda. By listening to both sides selective truth propaganda, you can get all the information you won't get from one source.

Not visiting that site and considering their viewpoint tells me you have a closed mind and not a "Freethinker"

Sources like Amnesty International posted by elevennevele above are more objective than our news or sources like "If Americans Knew".

Another objective source is Human Rights Watch:

Questions and Answers on Hostilities Between Israel and Hezbollah

Notice that Israel began targeting civilians first. That's an important distinction not clearly pointed out by our news.

Hezbollah's commando raid was legal under international law. Using these soldiers to bargain for the release of Lebanese POWs is as legal as Israel holding Lebanese POWs for bargaining purposes in the first place.

Israel's bombing of civilians targets in response to Hezbollah's legal military action was illegal. Hezbollah's bombing of Israeli citizens in response was also illegal.

But its important to point out that Israel crossed the line first.

I think its also important to point out that Israel has killed far more innocent civilians than Hezbollah. Another important point is that Hezbollah has a much higher ratio of soldiers/civilian deaths than Israels.

C:

Would you rather be an Arab living in Israel, or a Jew living in one of the Arab states?

The answer should tell you who is OVERWHELMINGLY correct in these conflicts.......

I agree that the answer should tell you who is OVERWHELMINGLY correct in these conflicts:

I'd rather be a Jew living in Iran than an Arab or Muslim living in Gaza or the West Bank.

I challenge you to find evidence of Jewish concentration camps in any Arab/Muslim country.

British Ambassador to Israel: West Bank is Largest Concentration Camp in the World

...(British Ambassador) Sherard Cowper-Coles accused soldiers of humiliating and harassing civilians...

...American ambassador, Dan Kurtzer, delivered a letter to Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, calling for more freedom of movement for the Palestinians and an end to the killing of civilians by the army...

Can you find evidence of Arab and Muslim countries rounding up Jews, putting them in concentration camps, controlling their access to food, water, electricity and randomly killing them?

I can find plenty of evidence that this is the way Israel treats Arabs and Muslims.

RAFAH TODAY

and

Palestine Diaries

also

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL

14 July 2006

Amnesty International today urged the Israeli government to immediately cease attacks against Palestinian civilians and civilian property and infrastructure, and to take action to address the growing humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip.

The organization condemned attacks such as those carried out by Israeli forces on the night of 11-12 July 2006, when an entire family -- Nabil and Salwa Abu Salmiya and their seven children aged between seven and 17 -- were killed when the Israeli Air Force targeted their home in a densely populated residential district in Jabaliya, north of Gaza City. More than 30 other residents were injured in the attack.

Israeli officials stated that the air strike had targeted Muhammad Deif, a leader of Hamas’s armed wing, who was reported to have been in the building at the time and to have been injured in the attack. However, the Israeli government and military officials who ordered and carried out the air attack on the house at about 02:30 am must have known that Nabil Abu Salmiya, a university lecturer and a Hamas member, and his wife and children, would be present at their home and that they and residents of neighbouring houses would be killed and injured.

Such attacks against civilians are prohibited by international law and Amnesty International called for them to cease immediately.

In recent weeks dozens of Palestinians women, children and other bystanders have been killed and hundreds have been injured by Israeli forces in air strikes and artillery shelling -- including in their homes.

In addition to the nine members of the Abu Salmiya family, some 15 other Palestinians were killed in the past two days, bringing the number of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces this year to some 240. The figure includes scores of members of Palestinian armed groups killed in armed clashes with Israeli troops as well as many uninvolved bystanders, including dozens of children...

If you want to see the pictures backing up the above statements:

Human Rights Watch: Patterns in the Rubble: Home Demolitions in Gaza

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES of death and destruction in Gaza

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES of Israeli soldiers executing a Palestinian and making it look like he was a suicide bomber

While Arabs and Muslims in Israel outside of the West Bank and Gaza are better off, they are clearly second class citizens in a state which bases rights and entitlements on race and religion.

This websites provides links which descibe how "equal" Muslims and Arabs are in the "free" part of Israel.

The 'democratic' state of Israel

Jews living in Iran are treated better than Israel treats Arabs or Muslims living in the "free" part of Israel.

Jews in Iran Describe a Life of Freedom Despite Anti-Israel Actions by Tehran

The Christian Science Monitor

TEHRAN, IRAN—One of the most striking of many murals in Iran's capital, Tehran, is a towering portrait of Fathi Shkaki, a leader of the militant Palestinian group, Islamic Jihad. He was assassinated by Israeli agents in 1995 after he masterminded a series of suicide bombings against Jewish civilians.

A slogan beneath his face hails him as a hero of the Islamic revolution in Palestine.

Yet, stroll a little farther along Palestine Street and you come to the Abrishami Synagogue, the biggest of 23 synagogues in Tehran. It is regularly attended by some 1,000 worshippers.

It comes as a surprise to many visitors to discover that Iran, a country so hostile to Israel and with a reputation for intolerance, is home to a small but vibrant Jewish community that is an officially recognized religious minority under Iran's 1979 Islamic Constitution.

"[Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini didn't mix up our community with Israel and Zionism - he saw us as Iranians," says Haroun Yashyaei, a film producer and chairman of the Central Jewish Community in Iran. Like Iran's Armenian Christians, Jews are tolerated as "people of the book" and allowed to practice their religion freely, provided they do not proselytize.

They elect their own deputy to the 270-seat Parliament and enjoy certain rights of self-administration...
 

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earth_as_one said:
Freethinker and others:

How can someone have a balanced viewpoint if they only listen to one side? That's why its important to visit this website:

If Americans knew

Again, posting only biased one sided propaganda gets you ignored in my book. There is no democracy of Ideas, this is much like the "Intelligent Design" folks who think that it should be taught in science class to represent all views. Well that is just BS, because "ID" is not science and deserves zero class time. Your propaganda likewise deserves zero of my time.

Further all you are doing is going for shock value of death. There have been plenty of mangled corpses on boths sides, but I have only ever seen the Islamist hold them up for display, hoping to get propaganda value out of them, much like when they decapitate innocent hostages on video.

You make no logical arguments and have not refuted my arguments made in the previous post, in any way, shape or form. You have only attemped to make this thread about why Israel is evil and deflect it from issues surrounding the current conflict that thinking people were trying to discuss.
 

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The Life of an American Jew
in Racist Marxist Israel

Written in 1985 by Jack Bernstein

A CHALLENGE

THE CONTENTS OF THIS BOOK ARE EXPECTED TO BRING A STRONG REACTION FROM THE ZIONIST JEWS.

I am well aware of the tactics of you, my Zionist brethren, use to quiet anyone who attempts to expose any of your subversive acts.

If the person is a Gentile, you cry, "You're anti-semitic" which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions.

But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, you resort to other tactics.

* First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
* If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
* If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.
* If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.

But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.

So, before you start your efforts to quiet me, I OFFER THIS CHALLENGE:

You Zionists assemble a number of Zionist Jews and witnesses to support your position; and I will assemble a like number of anti-Zionist, pro-American Jews and witnesses.

Then, the Zionists and the Anti-Zionists will state their position and debate the material in this book as well as related material -- the debate TO BE HELD ON PUBLIC TELEVISION.

Let's explore the information and let the American people decide for themselves if the information is true or false.

ISN'T THAT A FAIR CHALLENGE?

Certainly, you will willingly accept the challenge if what I have written is false.

But, if you resort to crying, "Lies, all lies ", and refuse to debate the material you will, in effect, be telling the American people that what I have written are the true facts.

Jack Bernstein

(This honest and courageous Jew was assassinated some years ago, by MOSSAD).


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My Farewell to Israel, Thorn of the Middle East

By Jack Bernstein

Before Israel became a state in 1948, Jews worldwide were filled with Zionist propaganda that Israel would be a homeland for all Jews, a refuge for persecuted Jews, a democratic country and the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

I am an Ashkenazi Jew who spent the first 25 years of my life in the United States, the country that has given ALL Jews freedom and the opportunity to prosper -- and prosper we Jews did, to the point that one portion of the Jews (the Zionists) have gained a position of political and economic dominance in the U.S.

To fully understand the story I am about to tell, it is important that you understand what Zionism really is. Zionist propaganda has led the American people to belive that Zionism and Judaism are one and the same and that they are religious in nature. This is a blatant lie.

Judaism is a religion; but Zionism is a political movement started mainly by East European (Ashkenazi) Jews who for centuries have been the main force behind communism/socialism. The ultimate goal of the Zionists is one ONE-WORLD GOVERMENT UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE ZIONISTS AND THE ZIONIST-ORIENTED JEWISH INTERNATIONAL BANKERS.

Communism/socialism are merely tools to help them accomplish their goal.


I was a Victim of Zionist Propaganda

After the 1967 War, we Jews were filled with pride that 'our homeland' had become so powerful and successfull. Then too, we had been filled with the false propaganda that Jews in America were being persecuted. So, between 1967 and 1970 approximately 50.000 American Jews fell for this Zionist propaganda and migrated to Israel. I was one of those suckers.

After being filled with all this false Zionist propaganda, I felt that I would have a better chance to succeed in the new Jewish state. There was an added enticement, the spirit and challenge of pioneering and of helping my fellow Jews.


Dual Citizenship

I had no emotional conflict with leaving the U.S. because I was still able to keep my U.S. citizenship and could return to the U.S. at any time. You see, Jews are allowed to be citizens of both Israel and some countries -- U.S. is one of those countries. The U.S. goverment allows a Jew to be a citizen of both U.S. and Israel.

German Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Germany. Italian Americans cannot be citizen of both U.S. and Italy. Egyptian-Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Egypt . . . BUT, a Jewish American can be a citizen of both Israel and the U.S. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE POWER THE ZIONIST JEWS HAVE OVER THE U.S. GOVERMENT.


I Arrive in the "Jewish Paradise"

Before leaving for Israel, a Jewish friend of mine had made arrangements for me to stay a few days with her sister, Fawzia Daboul and her spinster aunt. After arriving at Lod Airport just outside of Tel Aviv, I took a bus to the home of Miss Daboul and her aunt. When I saw Fawzia, it was love at first sigth. I started calling her 'Ziva' her Hebrew name. Ziva is a Sephardic Jewess from Iraq who, like myself, had fallen for the Zionist propaganda and had migrated to Israel. She was employed as a hairdresser.


The Kibbutz

After visiting with Ziva and her her aunt for two days, I left to spend 6 months at Kibbutz 'Ein Hashofet' one of the well over 150 such communes then operating in Israel. Since then, many more have been started -- especially in the territory taken from the Palestinian Arabs. A kibbutz is a farming and sometimes industrial venture. It is important to explain that Israel's Kibbutz system is a Marxist idea brought to Israel by the Ashkenazi Jews who migrated to Israel mainly from Poland and Russia. These Jews are part of that bunch of Jews know as the BOLSHEVIKS. Before 1917, they were the force that laid the foundation for the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 in Russia and the start of Communism.

Again, I want to point out, even emphasize, that it is some of that same bunch of Ashkenazi, Communist/Socialist Jews who migrated to Israel, gained control of the Zionist Movement and have dominated the goverment of Israel since its beginning in 1948.

Now, back to the kibbutz -

Prior to 1967, most of the work on the Kibbutz was done by Jews. But, since the 1967 War, the work has been done by Arabs who are paid a very low wage, and by volunteers from overseas. Members of the Kibbutz (all Jews) share all things equally. They receive clothing, food and a small allowance. All profits from the venture go into the Kibbutz account for future use. EACH OF THESE KIBBUTZ ARE AFFILIATED WITH ONE OF ISRAEL'S MARXIST PARTIES ranging from SOCIALIST TO HARD-CORE COMMUNIST.

The Kibbutz I was in was not hardcore communist. Yet, I was happy to leave after 4 months -- two months earlier than originally planned. During the time I was working in the Kibbutz, I carried on courtship with Ziva. She was one of the reasons I left the Kibbutz after only 4 months -- we were to be married.


Our Marriage Created Problems

The marriage ceremony was held in the Sephardic Synagogue. The ceremony was simple but beautiful. Ziva and I were happy, but our marriage created serious problems. You see, Ziva is a Sephardic Jewess and I am an Ashkenazi Jew. For an Ashkenazi Jew to marry a Sephardic Jew is frowned upon in Israel by the ruling Ashkenazis. To understand why this is the case, you must realize the difference between the Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews.

The powerful Zionist propaganda machine has led the American people to believe that a Jew is a Jew -- one race of people and that they are "God's Chosen People". I will deal with the "God's Chosen People" LIE later. First, it is important for you to understand that Jews are NOT one race of people.

There are two distinct groups of Jews in the world and they come from two different areas of the world -- the Sephardic Jews from the Middle East and North Africa and the Ashkenazi Jews come from Eastern Europe. The Sephardic is the oldest group and it is they, if any, who are the Jews described in the Bible because they lived in the area described in the Bible. They are blood relatives to the Arabs -- the only difference between them is the religion.

The Ashkenazi Jews, who now compromise 90% of the Jews in the world, had a rather strange beginning. According to historians, many of them Jewish, the Ashkenazi Jews came into existence about 1200 years ago. It happened this way:

At the eastern edge of Europe, there lived a tribe of people know as the Khazars. About the year 740 A.D., the Khazar king and his court decided they should adopt a religion for their people. So, representatives of the three major religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism, were invited to present their religious doctrines. The Khazars chose Judaism, but it wasn't for religious reasons. If the Khazars had chosen Islam, they would have angered the strong Christian world. If they had chosen Christianity, they would have angered the strong Islamic world. So, they played it safe -- they chose Judaism. It wasn't for religious reasons the Khazars chose Judaism; it was for political reasons.

Sometime during the 13th century, the Khazars were driven from their land and they migrated westward with most of them settling in Poland and Russia. These Khazars are now known as Ashkenazi Jews. Because these Khazar Ashkenazi Jews merely chose Judaism, they are not really Jews -- at least not blood Jews.

Throughout their history, these Polish and Russian Ashkenazi Jews practiced communism/socialism and worked to have their ideas implemented in these countries.

By the late 1800s significant numbers of these communist/socialist Jews were found in Gemany, the Balkans and eventually all over Europe. Because of their interference in the social and governmental affairs of Russia, they became the target of persecution by the Czars. Because of this, migration of these communist/socislist oriented Jews began. Some went to Palestine; some to Central and South America; and a large number of them came to the U.S.


Political Zionism is Born

In 1897, the First Zionist Congress was held in Basle, Switzerland. At this Congress, it was decided to work toward the establishment of a Jewish state and a search for land on which to build this Jewish state began. Great Britain offered the Zionists land in Africa. This the Zionists rejected: they wanted Palestine!

At the time, Palestine was inhabitated by a half a million Palestinian Arabs and a few Palestinian Jews who are blood related and who had lived together in peace for centuries. With Palestine as their choice for a homeland, European Ashkenazi Jews began migrating to Palestine. As I explained earlier, most were communist/socialist oriented with some of them being radical Bolshevik communists whose aim is world domination.

So when you think of Jews, especially as related to Israel, keep in mind that there is a great difference between Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews. They are not one united people. They are divided socially, politically and especially racially. Now, back to Ziva, a Sephardic Jewess and I an Ashkenazi Jew, and our lives in the so-called democratic country of Israel.


Sephardic Jews -- Second Class Citizens

For the first three years of our marriage, it was necessary for us to live with Ziva's aunt. This was because of the critical housing shortage in Israel and because of racism. Housing is allotted as follows:

* Ashkenazi Jews who have lived in Israel for many years are given first choice.
* Second in line are Ashkenazi Jews from Europe -- especially if they are married or marry an Israel-born Ashkenazi Jew.
* The next favored are Ashkenazi Jews from the U.S. -- especially if they marry an Israeli bom Ashkenazi.
* Sephardic Jews have the next choice of whatever housing is left.
* At the bottom of the list are Moslems, Druze and Christians.

Opportunities for employment follow the same pattern: Ashkenazi Jews get the choicest jobs, Sephardic Jews next, and Moslem, Druze and Christians fill the menial jobs with a great many left unemployed. Even through I was an Ashkenazi Jew from the U.S., I was placed lower on the list for housing because I married a Sephardic Jewess.

Being denied housing was my second experience of the intense racism that exists in Israel. From the very beginning of my arrival in Israel, many slurs were yelled at me. We American Jews were merely being tolerated. Because Israel, to survive, must depend on gifts of American Jews and the sale of worthless Israeli Bonds in America, there is jealousy among the elite Israeli Ashkenazi Jews toward American Jews, even if the American Jews are also Ashkenazi. Many times I was told, "Go Home!" and, "We want your money, but not you."

However, there was a portion of the American Jews who were welcome and given favored treatment. They were the card-carrying communist Jews.

Of the 50.000 American Jews who, like myself, had migrated to Israel between 1967 and 1970 about 20% (10.000) of them were Marxist oriented with a great number of them actual card-carrying communists. They were welcomed by the Israeli authorities and local Ashkenazi and were given favored treatment -- housing, jobs and social life. It must be noted besides coming from the U.S., a great number of communist Jews were migrating to Israel from Chile, Argentina and South Africa.

Of the 50.000 who had migrated to Israel during that time, 80% of us eventually returned to the U.S. The 20% who remained were those who were card-carrying communist or sympathetic to Marxism.


Three Faces of Israel

From what I have told you so far, you must have the idea that Israel is a Marxist (socialist/communist) country. This would be correct. But, Israel has three faces: Communism, Fascism and democracy. The Ashkenazi Jews who migrated to Israel from Russia brought with them the ideology of socialism/communism and have put into practice much of that ideology. The Ashkenazi Jews who migrated to Israel from Germany, while sympathetic to communism and support it, tend to favor the practices of Nazi-style fascism. During World War II, in Germany these elite Zionist Ashkenazi Jews worked closely with Hitler's Gestapo in persecuting the lower class German Jews and delivering them to concentration camps.

Now living in Israel, these elite Zionist Jews, who were well trained in Nazi-style fascism and favor it, have imposed many facets of fascism on Israel. To give the impression that Israel is a democracy, members of the Knesset (Israel Congress) are elected -- an odd type of election. This is where Israel's so-called democracy stops. It doesn't make any difference which party wins an election, the LIKUD or LABOR, the elite Zionist Jews rule in a dictatorial manner -- giving favors to the elite clique and brutally suppressing any dissent.

In the Zionist/communist scheme of world domination, it is Israel's role to continually stir up trouble in the Middle East. Since wars are a big part of this scheme of aggression, it is only natural that from early childhood on, Israeli youth are trained mentally and physically for war. For instance: Israel has its equivalent of Hitler's youth group. It is the Gadna; and all high school and junior high students are required to participate -- boys and girls. Like Hitler's youth group, the youth in Israel's Gadna are dressed in khaki uniforms. They take training and engage in para-military exercises.

Even at play, guns and thoughts of war are present. When on a picnic, instead of taking along baseball or soccer equipment, they take sub-machine guns and assault rifles and practice shooting and playing military games.

Once graduated from high school, all young boys are required to serve 3 years in the army (2 years for girls) or 4 years in the navy or air force (3 for girls). Ultraorthodox religious Jews are exempt from military service.

Once out of the service, a number of the ex-service people join the Shin Bet, the equivalent of Hitler's Gestapo. Like the Gestapo, they engage in repressing anyone who acts or speaks out against the Marxist/Fascist goverment of Zionist dominated Israel.

Like in Nazi Germany, all people in Israel are required to carry identity booklets called "Teudat Zehut" in Hebrew.

One day I changed jackets and forgot to take out my ID booklet when I went down town in Tel Aviv. A police officer approached me and asked for my "Teudat Zehut". I told him I had left it in my other jacket. Because I didn't have my ID booklet with me, I was taken to the police station. At the police station, the desk sergeant informed me that for not having my ID booklet with me, I could be jailed for up to 16 days without even being taken before a judge. All that was necessary is for the Police Lieutenant to sign a "Remand Order".

I asked permission to make a telephone call to my wife and tell her to bring my ID bookled to the station.

The sergeant allowed me two hours to have my "Teudat Zehut" produced. I called my wife and she brought my "Teudat Zehut" -- arriving just minutes before the 2 hour deadline expired. If she had been late in arriving, I would have been jailed for 16 days for not having my ID booklet with me. This is just one indication that Israel is a 'Police State' and not a democracy.

Concerning Nazism/Fascism, please let me clear a point. Germans are an admirable people -- I dare say even great. But in Germany, the general population were victims of the Nazis who through cunning and brutality gained power. In Germany, the average Jews were victims of the Zionist elite who worked hand in hand with the Nazis. Many of those same Zionist Jews who, in Germany, had worked with the Nazis, came to Israel and joined hands with the Zionist/Communist Jews from Poland and Russia. It is the two faces of communism and Nazi-style fascism that rule Israel. Democracy is merely an illusion.

Regarding the tie between the elite Ashkenazi Jew and the Nazis, take a look at the word 'Ashkenazi' -- look again 'Ashke-NAZI'.

Interesting isn't it?

There is a great confusion regarding the relationship of fascism to communism. Fascism is national socialism. Communism is international socialism.


Israel's Economy

Economically, Israel is bankrupt. Of course, this could have been predicted because Israel's economic structure is based on socialism.

Whenever a goverment of a state and its citizens spend more money than the value of the goods produced, economic bankruptcy will result. If it were not for aid from America, Israel's economy would have collapsed long ago. Israel is a 'welfare state' in every sense of the word -- it is America's most favored welfare recipient.

While America's farmers, small businessmen and laborers are struggling to survive, the U.S. Goverment, dominated by Zionist Jews, are draining the pockets and purses of American taxpayers to support Israel's socialist economy and war machine.

Since the Israeli goverment knows, and the favored Zionists know, that the Zionist pressure in America will ensure that America will keep sending them massive amounts of money, Israel's goverment and its favored citizens spend money like drunken sailors. This practice leads to infiation and eventually to an economic collapse.

Comparing Israel to drunken sailors is unfair to sailors. Sailors spend their OWN money -- Israel spends money it gets from America. Because Israel is a welfare state depending mainly on American aid for survival, it is on a down-hill slide. In 1982, Israel's inflation rate was 130%.

In 1983, it was 200%, and this year (1984) it is expected to exceed 400%. That means a hamburger that cost $1.00 last January will have risen to $5.00 by the end of December. History shows that no nation mired in economic problems as Israel has become, has ever avoided an economic collapse. Only with a massive increase in American financial aid can an economic collapse be averted -- even then, this solution would only be temporary.

Regarding the destructive tendencies of socialism, there are circumstances that allow a country to successfully provide social programs to help its people. It is possible in a country that has sufficient financial resource and where its citizens are deeply religious and considerate their fellowmen.

NONE of this exists in Israel. Even in countries where conditions are ideal there lingers a danger. Since the goverment of the country provides for the needs of its citizens, most of these citizens have a tedency to lose incentive to work hard; and a country with a complacent citizenry is easily conquered.

Visitors to Israel

Tourism is one of Israel's main sources of income. The largerst group of visitors are American Jews. But, there are also many American Christians who want to visit the holy shrines and to see the land of 'God's Chosen People'.

These Christians come away very impressed and filled with religious fervor.

While in Israel, Jews and Gentiles alike are carefully watched so that they do not stray and happen to see the sordid side of Israel -- the true Israel.

Like in Soviet Russia and other communist countries, visitors to Israel are taken on carefully planned guided tours. They are shown the religious sites, the universities, the lush orchards, the technical accomplishments, the arts, and to stir sympathy, they are taken to visit the Holocaust Museum. But, kept from the eyes of the tourists are the ghettos, the prisons where political prisoners, mostly Arabs and Sephardic Jews, are subjected to the most inhumane forms of torture. The tourists do not see the widespread crime activities and the corruption and cooperation between organized crime bosses and goverment and police officials.

The tourists do not learn of the true inner workings of Israel's Marxist/Fascist goverment; nor do they see Israel's Racism.

I met one American Tourist who couldn't help telling me about the wonderful religious feeling she had from being in Israel -- the Holy Land. I remarked to her, "Just try giving a Bible to a local Jew and you will see how much religion and religious freedom there is in Israel. If seen by the police, you will be arrested.

Regarding the Holocaust Museum, I cannot help but comment:
THE HOLOCAUST MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED -- IF --

1. If the Zionist leadership in Germany had not cooperated with the Nazis.
2. If the Zionists, world-wide, had not persuaded various countries to refuse to accept Jews from Germany. The Zionists in America persuaded President Roosevelt to shut the door and not allow Jewish refugees into America before the war when there was still a chance for Jews to leave Germany.

* It must be added that many people, including Jews, question whether the Holocaust happened as portrayed by the Zionist propagandists -- at least not to the extent the Zionist claim.


Religion

The land on which the present state of Israel has been built, formerly Palestine, was once walked upon by Moses, Jesus and Muhammed.

Since Palestine was the site of many religious events and has many religious sites, it is rightfully referred to as the HOLY LAND. So, one would think that Palestine, now Israel, would tend to have an air of holiness about it.

When Palestinian Moslems and Palestinian Jews occupied Palestine, there was a religious aura. But, Since the Zionists took over the area and set up the state of Israel, it is one of the most sinful nations in the world where only 5% of the Jews are religious. It is interesting to note that those who are strongly religious are Arab Moslems and Arab Christians who make up a small minority in Israel.

Israeli laws suppress all religion -- For instance, it is against the law to try and convert a Jew to another religion even if the Jew is an atheist or humanist.

A Christian is permitted to preach the gospel in a church building, but for the clergy or anyone to even tell one about teachings in the Bible outside the church building will bring a 5 years prison sentence.

For a Christian to give a Bible or religious article to a Jew will also bring a 5 years sentence. Even an act of kindness by a Christian toward a Jew, such as giving a gift of food, can be interpreted as trying to convert the Jew to Christianity and can bring a 5 year prison sentence.

This same law of religious suppression applies to those of the Islamic faith who in an act of kindness give a gift of any kind to a Jew. A 5 year prison sentence can result.

The treatment of religious Jews is touchy for the ruling Zionists. World-wide, Jews and non-Jews view Israel as a land where Jews may practice their religion without percecution. Therefore, the Zionists do not dare risk suppressing Judaism for fear of arousing world opinion against them. So, the ruling Zionists merely tolerate the religious practices of the small minority of religious Jews in Israel.


God's Chosen People

The American people have been led to belive that Jews are "God's Chosen People". This myth was started by a small group of Jews. A few Jewish leaders took exerpts from the Bible and interpreted them as "Chosen People". But, isn't it odd that it is not the religious Jews who claim to be "God's Chosen People". It is the atheistic non-believing Jews who claim that honor.

Leading the cry, "We are God's Chosen People" are the Zionist/Marxist (Ashkenazi) Jews who for political purposes chose Judaism and who don't have a drop of biblical Jewish blood in them.

One Israeli religious Jew said it well, "At one time we Jews were chosen by God to be his messengers. But, long ago we forfeited that right".

Anyone who has read the Bible with an open mind knows that God gave Jews of that time special favors. But, it was in the form of covenants. In these covenants were conditions -- the conditions were that God demanded the Jews obey His Word. Time after time the Jews broke the covenants. They rejected God and turned to adoring mammon. It doesn't take a biblical scholar to realize that long ago even the real Jews lost the right of being God's chosen people.

In comparing the degree to which the followers of the 3 major religions practice their beliefs, I make this observation:

Judaism -- Few Jews, Sephardic or Ashkenazi, are religious. This is true in America, in Israel and world-wide.

Christianity -- The Christians' religion has felt the influence of Jewish meddling and infiltration (especially in America) resulting in confusion and bickering between the various Christian denominations. This has led to a 'luke-warm' attitude among most Christians toward their religion. There is evidence to prove that Jews, or one of their many fronts, have started many of the Christian denominations and thus dominate doctrine.

Islam -- Moslems, who follow the teachings of Islam, are by far the most fervent of the 3 major religions in following their religious beliefs.

The Judeo-Christian ethic we hear so much about in America is a big joke -- the result of an intense Zionist propaganda campaign.

I'll toss in one last thought about the "God's Chosen People" myth: God said, 'Beware of those who call themselves Jews and are not, for they lie'. Could it be the Ashkenazi Jews are the people to whom God was referring?


Israel Stirs Perpetual War

In the Holy land, it would seem that there would be peace. Instead, war and preparation for war is ever present. The Israeli military machine is recognized as the fourth most powerful in the world. From the standpoint of the amount of planes, tanks and other fighting equipment, plus the fact that it is of the latest design, does make the military machine of Israel very powerful. But, in the army, serious weaknesses have developed.

Before exploring the weaknesses of Israel's army, let's briefly review each of the wars in which Israel has been involved -- an average of one every 8 years since it became a state in 1948.

1948 War -- Just after Israel had declared itself a state, Palestinians and other Arabs attacked the Israeli Army which had been formed out of the terrorist groups, the Irgun and Stem Gang. The reason for the attack by Palestinians was to try and regain their homes which, through murder and terrorism, the Zionists had confiscated. The Palestinians had been a peaceful people and were not trained in the art of warfare, while the Ashkenazi Zionist Jews who had migrated from Soviet Russia, Poland and Germany had more knowledge of tactical warfare.

In addition, Zionists had built up a large amount of arms which they had purchased from the U.S. and communist countries and had illegally smuggled into the area. The Arabs were defeated and in the process, Israel conquered more Palestinian territory.

1956 -- Egypt owned the land through which the Suez Canal flows. Egypt's President Nasser declared his intention of taking over operation of the canal from England. This would have hurt England's colonial empire. So, England along with France and Israel conspired to attack Egypt.

With Egypt nearly subdued, America's President Eisenhower stepped in and ordered England, France and Israel to withdraw. At the time, the United States was still militarily strong enough to back Eisenhower's order, so England, France and Israel did withdraw. This was the only time during U.S.-Israeli relations that a U.S. president put the interests of America ahead of Israel's interest.

1967 War -- Tension was mounting between Egypt and Israel over territory located between the two countries -- the Sinai and Gaza Strip.

To help Israel get an unfair advantage, the Soviet Union resorted to trickery: Soviet diplomats in Egypt told President Nasser to threaten war but not attack. Then Soviet diplomats told Israel's leaders to threaten war and then go ahead and attack. This act of treachery enabled Israel to attack while Egypt was 'off-guard' and destroy Egypt's military capacity in 6 days.

It has been the goal of Israel's leaders to take over all the land between the Nile and Euphrates Rivers. Besides the Sinai and Gaza Strip which Israel intended to take from Egypt during the war, they desired the West Bank which was part of Jordan, and the Golan Heights which was part of Syria. So during the 1967 War, Israel resorted to trickery

Israel had the technical equipment to intercept radio messages and change these messages (boil them) and then send them on to their destination. During the war, Israel intercepted messages from Egypt to Jordan and Syria and changed the messages, tricking Jordan and Syria into entering the war. The Arab countries were defeated and Israel took a big step toward it's goal of conquest by occupying the Golan Heights and the West Bank as well as the Sinai and Gaza Strip.

Even though Israel's attack on Egypt is called the 1967 War and often referred to as the Six-day War, it can hardly be called a war. Egypt, the most powerful Arab nation at that time, didn't have a chance to fight. Trickery on the part of the Soviet Union and Israel as I have explained, rendered the so-called 1967 War nothing more than a treacherous act of terrorism for which the Soviets and Israel are famous.


Israel's Attack on the U.S.S. Liberty

During the 1967 War, one of the most daring acts of treachery was committed. It was the attack on an American ship, the USS Liberty, by America's so-called friend, Israel.

During Israel's treacherous attack on Egypt, the USS Liberty, an American surveillance ship, was cruising off the coast of Israel monitoring the progress of the attack.

Realizing the USS Liberty was learning and recording Israel's acts of treachery, Israeli leaders decided to 'get rid' of the evidence. Israeli planes and torpedo boats attacked Liberty with the obvious intent of sinking it. If the ship was sunk, thus destroying the evidence, Israel then could blame Egypt for the attack -- and the Zionist controlled news-media in America would have given the lie as fact with the intent of turning the American people against Egypt. But, fortunately -- bravery on the part of the Liberty crew kept the ship afloat. Israel failed in its act of treachery against America, its ally, but during the attack, Israel killed 34 crew members of the Liberty and wounded 171.

Israel claimed the attack on the Liberty was a case of mistaken identity. But, reports by the surviving crew and other evidance prove the attack by Israel was intentional.

Facts about the attack on the USS Liberty were conviently omitted by the Zionist controlled American news-media. All that the Zionists told the American people was that Israel had sunk an American ship, but that it was a case of mistaken identity.

An investigation by the U.S. Government was subdued and the matter quickly forgotten. This is a good example of the tremendous influence the Zionists have over the U.S. Goverment.

The coverup of the whole scandalous affair by the U.S. Goverment could not have succeded if the news-media had done its duty and reported the facts surrounding the attack. It is a good example of the power the Zionist controlled news-media in America to distort or withhold important news from the American people.

1973 War - The treachery on the part of Israel and the Soviets that led to the 1967 War embittered the Arab people and immediately they began arming with the intent of retaliating for this Israeli treachery and to try and take back the land that Israel had taken from them. By 1973 they were prepared.

Even though several Arab countries were preparing militarily, they were trying to peacefully work out a solution with Israel. But, Israel was assured that their Zionist brethren in America would use their power over the U.S. Goverment to make sure that the U.S. would support Israel. So, Israel's leaders continued to maintain a belligerant attitude.

Realizing the hopelessness of further negotiating with Israel's leaders, Egypt along with Jordan, Syria and Iraq attacked Israel -- and they were winning.

With Israel facing defeat, the powerful Zionists in America pulled the strings of their power over the U.S. Goverment and the U.S. Goverment officials obeyed their Zionist masters. Massive amounts of U.S. military equipment and arms were airlifted at taxpayer's expense to Israel to bolster the retreating Israeli forces.

This U.S. aid enabled Israel to turn the tide and emerge victorious. Yes, Israel was saved, but so much U.S. military equipment was airlifted to Israel at that time that the U.S. armed forces were feft in short supply and in a weakened position.

U.S. Goverment officials are so much under the influence of the Zionists that they had alerted the 82nd Airborne Division stationed at Ft. Bragg, N.C. and U.S. troops stationed in Germany for the purpose of being sent to aid Israel, if necessary.

It is pretty sad that to please the Zionist power in America, U.S. Goverment officials are willing to sacrifice the lives of American boys to save Zionist/Marxist Israel.

Young men already in the U.S. armed forces and their parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters should especially be concerned about Israeli precipitated wars and attempts to involve the U.S. in these wars, because if necessary, to save Israel in one of their acts of aggression, the U.S. Goverment will bow to the American Zionists and send American boys into combat -- the boys will have no choice but fight on the side of Zionist/Marxist Israel.

IF AMERICAN BOYS DIE IN A FUTURE MIDEAST WAR, YOU WILL KNOW THAT THOSE RESPONSIBLE WILL BE THE ZIONIST JEWS OF AMERICA and THE WEAKSPINED POLITICIAN IN WASHINGTON, D.C.WHO BOW TO THEIR ZIONIST LORDS.


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Now we get the favorite tactic of unthinking Islamist symathizers on CC. Post bombing. Massive cut n paste posts with zero original thought.

Pathetic. Have something to say. Use your own words and reference a quote. Don't plagiarize 10 000 words from someone else.

The netiquette on this board is pathetic and probably the reason it is falling apart. I would complain to the moderators but I have seen at least one do the same childish act of post bombing to bury people they don't agree with.

The forum equivalent of shouting louder when you have no ideas or thoughts of your own.

gopher said:
Nothing but filler
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Syria has been causing shit for a long time in Lebanon, attacking Israel from there so that when israel responded it would attack lebanon. Syria also goaded egypt into aggressive action against israel and when the fighting started syria was safely lobbing artillery onto the Israelis while Egyptian military was smashed to pieces. The PLO tried to overthrow the Jordanian king and caused all kinds of mayhem in Lebanon until Israel went there to rip them out of there. The Israelis have no one to depend on but themselves. The arabs have no one to depend on, even themselves.
 

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German Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Germany. Italian Americans cannot be citizen of both U.S. and Italy. Egyptian-Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Egypt . . . BUT, a Jewish American can be a citizen of both Israel and the U.S. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE POWER THE ZIONIST JEWS HAVE OVER THE U.S. GOVERMENT.

I guess Canada has the same power over the U.S Government. Wait until the Americans find out their government is owned by Canada. :D We're gonna have to teach them to say eh, eh!
 

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The netiquette on this board is pathetic and probably the reason it is falling apart.



You can believe whatever illusions you wish to believe. Your continued use of criticism and name calling when you have nothing of substance to refute the truth is what has brought trouble into this forum.

As you have been told already, dispense with the incessant name calling. If you cannot accept the forum's code of conduct you are free to leave it.
 

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What name calling gopher?

Dropping 10000 word quotes is a lame childish act. It shows a lack of any original thought. None of this is name calling by the way. If anyone wants to ban me for pointing out childish behavior, so be it.
 

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I'm not going to lower myself by answering that post. It is only too obvious that the contentious poster is looking for an argument and lacks the rationality and self control to engage in proper discourse.


As for the TRUTH about Zionist imperialism, the British and Dutch are a lot smarter than certain delusionals who cannot see the truth because of their willful blindness. This is why thousands marched in protest over the genocidal terrorist campaign engaged in by the Zionists:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/07/23/thousands_join_london_protests/
 

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As for the TRUTH about Zionist imperialism, the British and Dutch are a lot smarter than certain delusionals who cannot see the truth because of their willful blindness. This is why thousands marched in protest over the genocidal terrorist campaign engaged in by the Zionists:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/07/23/thousands_join_london_protests/

Your tilted take on the truth. There is no mention of "Genocidal terrorist campaign" as you term it, which has nothing to do with reality. This is nothing but strident rhetoric.

Israel is going after Hezbollah, they are being as restrained as possible under the circumstance of still getting the job done.
 

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gopher said:
and here's what they are doing -- destroying life such as that of this helpless 77 year old grandmother:


http://www.sfgate.com/n/pictures/2006/07/21/pray14.jpg

First of all, she looks pretty alive to me.

Secondly, perhaps you should ask why her society has tolerated murdering arseholes like Hezbollah in their midst, to say nothing of electing them to office.

Thirdly, you should ask Hezbollah why their missiles, training camps, etc are so nicely dispersed among the population.
 

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Colpy said:
gopher said:
and here's what they are doing -- destroying life such as that of this helpless 77 year old grandmother:


http://www.sfgate.com/n/pictures/2006/07/21/pray14.jpg

First of all, she looks pretty alive to me.

Secondly, perhaps you should ask why her society has tolerated murdering arseholes like Hezbollah in their midst, to say nothing of electing them to office.

Thirdly, you should ask Hezbollah why their missiles, training camps, etc are so nicely dispersed among the population.

And fourth, the Photoshop editing wasn't professional
 
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