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Goober

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I don't check my alerts because I like to see a really big number there, and I wonder if the site will break if it gets above 1000 or 10000.

Long story short: a red and a green are the same to me.

Color blind?
 

Cliffy

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I take it that he was of the "opinion" that God and Christ is "just a myth" and that my entire belief system is "just a myth". Correct?
Not "just a myth". His work explains the psychology and necessity of belief systems in the growth of the human psyche and in relation to human history and spiritual evolution. His work brings myth out of the dark ages and makes them relevant to the present, adding texture and richer meaning to old beliefs.
 

gerryh

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Not "just a myth". His work explains the psychology and necessity of belief systems in the growth of the human psyche and in relation to human history and spiritual evolution. His work brings myth out of the dark ages and makes them relevant to the present, adding texture and richer meaning to old beliefs.


well.... isn't that special....... bottom line is, his opinion is still that my belief system is a myth. Correct?
 

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I take it that he was of the "opinion" that God and Christ is "just a myth" and that my entire belief system is "just a myth". Correct?

Well...in my opinion...actually, yes! There is no proof of any higher power or God and no substantial evidence that Jesus was the son of any God so it is just a myth...an urban legend if you will...passed down for centuries and twisted by those who would control the minds of others. But don't worry too much Gerry, ALL religions fit that description, not just yours.
 

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well.... isn't that special....... bottom line is, his opinion is still that my belief system is a myth. Correct?
In actuality, if you don't persoanlly experience an event, it becomes a myth. What is not myth, is your personal experience and revelation within the context of your belief system. You were not there when Jesus walked the world, so the story is myth by definition. What makes it real to you (or anybody else) is what you experience.
 

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In actuality, if you don't persoanlly experience an event, it becomes a myth. What is not myth, is your personal experience and revelation within the context of your belief system. You were not there when Jesus walked the world, so the story is myth by definition. What makes it real to you (or anybody else) is what you experience.

Well I did not when my parents had sex. Am I a myth. WW2 - well before I was born, another myth?
 

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Well I did not when my parents had sex. Am I a myth. WW2 - well before I was born, another myth?
History in general is a myth. Your birth may be a myth but your present self is real. You are reborn every day, in every moment. You are never the same person you were yesterday.
 

Walter

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Walter, the notion of "virgin birth" is based on the belief that the woman is a passive receptacle. Perhaps you should review the notion of the woman's role in pregnancy as posited in the "Holy Land" millenia ago. Mind you, science has progressed if thought hasn't. You would benefit from a correspondence course in mythology.
So, you were unable to find a 'biblical scholar who said 'woman is simply a receptacle like good loam in which the male seed can grow.'

Is your statement just hyperbole or is it you spewing your hatred of Christianity?
 

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So if we ban contraception sales to singles they won't have sex, How silly is that
concept. If we ban alcohol people won't drink it, we all know how that turned out.
Ban cigarettes and people won't smoke, that too is nonsense and we know it.
What the hell is the matter with this feel good society, we can pass a law and all
the citizens will line up to obey it.
Has it occurred to some that singles, drinkers, young people and a thousand other
groups don't give a hoot about legislation or social laws enacted to have people
conform. We have an open society and people have some common thought on
what is in the social realm and what is criminal.
Sex, Pot, Booze, and other groupings may be illegal but people do them anyway
and sex is one of those.
When will the social conservatives understand they are relics from the past and
people ignore them and their simplistic ideas. Also the Biblical stuff, a lot of it is
common sense and some of it is myth. In any event, I think people who want to
believe can do so as they do not try to restrict the freedom of others. In short
single people are going to be sexual and if you restrict or prohibit contraception
for them society is going to pay a heavy price, sort of like what is already happening
in many areas.
 

Sal

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So if we ban contraception sales to singles they won't have sex, How silly is that
concept. If we ban alcohol people won't drink it, we all know how that turned out.
Ban cigarettes and people won't smoke, that too is nonsense and we know it.
What the hell is the matter with this feel good society, we can pass a law and all
the citizens will line up to obey it.
Has it occurred to some that singles, drinkers, young people and a thousand other
groups don't give a hoot about legislation or social laws enacted to have people
conform. We have an open society and people have some common thought on
what is in the social realm and what is criminal.
Sex, Pot, Booze, and other groupings may be illegal but people do them anyway
and sex is one of those.
But that is why you are supposed to shame them, humiliate them, make them afraid...ya know let them know that God won't love them any more and they will go straight to hell. Beat it out of them. What EVER it takes.
 

Spade

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Walter,
The fact that women contribute through the ovum to conception was discovered in 1827. You are such a grump - a benighted grump.

Quote from God's Web

"The Biblical notion of conception

The Psalmist, in fact, paints a vivid picture of the process: "Thou knowest me right well; my frame was not hidden from thee, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth. Thy eyes beheld my unformed substance; in thy book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them." (Psalm 139)

"In this account, conception does not even happen in the uterus; it happens in the "secret" place of God’s own mind beyond this world of time and space. Again, the basic biblical teaching about the beginning of life is that it happens at God’s initiative, by God’s command, in God’s mind.

"The Biblical writers did not even have the notion of conception that we have arrived at only recently through scientific investigation. They believed that the male sperm was the "seed" of life and that this seed is "planted" in the womb where it grows like any other seed. Clearly, in this, the biblical view, our notion of "conception" has no place. "​

By the way, I am not on this site 24/7. I come on from time to time for my amusement. The rest of the time I have a life. - at least until Woden takes me. Perhaps he'll take you first. It's 50-50.

As you are an americanophile, I will leave you with a quote from Jefferson, that great Republican and slaver.
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
 

Walter

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Still waiting for a 'biblical scholar' to validate your earlier post.
 

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So, you were unable to find a 'biblical scholar who said 'woman is simply a receptacle like good loam in which the male seed can grow.'

Is your statement just hyperbole or is it you spewing your hatred of Christianity?

Was that not taught that it was a women's role.
 

Cliffy

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Still waiting for a 'biblical scholar' to validate your earlier post.
Allan Watts; doctorate of divinity and masters degree in theology, could read both Latin and Greek. Studied comparative eastern and western religious philosophy. He had plenty to say about the bible.

Behold the Spirit: A Study in the Necessity of Mystical Religion,
Myth and Ritual in Christianity
Myth and Religion
 

Spade

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From womenpriests.org (Good enough for me!}
Quote:
"The Jewish concept of male predominance was supported by a mistaken idea of sexual functions. We know that the fetus in the womb is the product of a conjunction of a male sperm and a female ovum. The Jews did not know this. They identified the fetus with the sperm. For them 'seed' and 'off-spring' are synonymous (cf Gal 3, 16). While the mother fulfilled a useful function in providing the womb, it remained the father who generated life as the carrier of 'offspring'. "

Harpur mentions this as well.

And, here is a good read:
Cambridge Journals Online - Abstract

And another...
The Nature of Barrenness in the Hebrew Bible | Joel Baden - Academia.edu
 

damngrumpy

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To start with who the h*ll cares about a Bible quote? It is a book based on
faith not law. Sins are sins and laws are laws laws belong to government
Some people want the right to practice religion and that is fine except when
they want their rights yet they want to use the law to trample on other peoples
rights and that is not acceptable in an open democratic society.