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Jim Balsillie didn't get it. The NHL is a club and he didn't want to be a member. You have to play nice if you want them to let you in. Thomson and Chipman have done that.
 

talloola

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Jim Balsillie didn't get it. The NHL is a club and he didn't want to be a member. You have to play nice if you want them to let you in. Thomson and Chipman have done that.

if he had wanted to move the phoenix team to winnipeg, quebec or some other city other than hamilton,
or anywhere else in southern ontario, they would have welcomed him with open arms, he only wanted
hamilton, and that is what did him in.
 

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Hulsizer moving on? | Hockey | Sports | Toronto Sun

if he had wanted to move the phoenix team to winnipeg, quebec or some other city other than hamilton,
or anywhere else in southern ontario, they would have welcomed him with open arms, he only wanted
hamilton, and that is what did him in.

Because he tried to do an end run around the league, he is now persona no grata and will never get an NHL franchise.
 

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I like hockey but not enough to drop $400 twice a week for 2 nosebleed tix. I doubt there are enough people in Wpg who can or will drop that kind of cash on a game.


Peope are overworked,
we wouldn't need a NHL if the work week was 20 hours a week.
 

Cannuck

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More trouble for Coyotes sale, as interest rates and legal issues might force a move to Winnipeg | ProHockeyTalk

It’s unclear if the NHL’s patience for the Phoenix Coyotes will remain as constant – and stubborn – as it has been so far, but potential owner Matt Hulsizer might just need to look elsewhere soon.
In fact, one report by Mike Sunnucks of the Phoenix Business Journal indicates that it could be a matter of days before the clock strikes midnight on the deal Hulsizer agreed upon (in principle) with the City of Glendale.....
 

talloola

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if phoenix moves to winnipeg, I wonder if they will leave divisions as they are, seems a move would
be in order.

they could move colorado into phoenix spot and put winnipeg in n. w. division with
canucks
 

Cannuck

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I doubt Winnipeg would want that. I know they weren't happy in 82 when they got moved to the Smythe Division (when the Rockies went to NJ). It meant 8:30 and 9:30 starts for the prime TV games. That ain't gonna happen though unless you revamp the entire alignment. I think they would much rather have the Nucks move to the Pacific
 

talloola

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I doubt Winnipeg would want that. I know they weren't happy in 82 when they got moved to the Smythe Division (when the Rockies went to NJ). It meant 8:30 and 9:30 starts for the prime TV games. That ain't gonna happen though unless you revamp the entire alignment. I think they would much rather have the Nucks move to the Pacific

I remember when toronto was in our division, thankfully they left.

I don't think canucks would be changed, they are clustered with calgary and edmonton, and winnipeg
isn't much farther, and maybe winnipeg won't have a choice, as they will be new, maybe they just
have to go where they are told. Will be interesting to see.

Maybe there will be a bigger juggling of teams, I know detroit has wanted to be in the east for
a long time, (at least that's what is said, doesn't mean it is so), there could be a bigger
change than we think.
I don't want to lose detroit out of the western conference.
 

Cannuck

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I don't think canucks would be changed, they are clustered with calgary and edmonton, and winnipeg
isn't much farther, and maybe winnipeg won't have a choice

Distance has little to do with it. Time zones do. Since inter-divisional away games are the best in terms of TV, it's nice to have them on at a decent time. I'm sure the people of Winnipeg would rather watch a Wild, Hawk or Blues game that runs from 7:30 - 10:30 than a Nucks game that runs from 9:30 to 12:30 AM. I know most parents won't let their kids stay up past midnight unless it's playoff hockey. I'm sure the Nucks would rather have more games that start at 7:30 than at 6 or 5. Higher ratings = higher revenue.


Glendale mayor urges watchdog to stop stalling Coyotes sale

Is it desperation time?

Goldwater calls Scruggs on Coyotes blame game - Winnipeg Free Press

Dear Mayor Scruggs:
Thank you for your interest in meeting with the Goldwater Institute.
We have discussed our concerns and met repeatedly and at length with Jordan Rose and the city of Glendale’s attorneys. Our concerns have not changed since these discussions and meetings were held, except when the City decided to pledge sales tax revenues to repay the bonds. That places the taxpayers in the position of having massive liability if the team fails again. We also shared this concern with the city.
As you know, the Gift Clause requires a tangible quid pro quo for payments made to a private company or individual. The crux of the deal is the City obtaining parking rights in exchange for giving a payment of $100 million to the purchaser. We believe the City already owns the parking rights. We have examined all of the documents the City contends prove the opposite, and those documents fortify our conclusion. If the City owns the parking rights, then there is no consideration and the deal is unquestionably invalid.
Even if the team owns the parking rights, they must be worth the $100 million the City is paying. We believe the revenues will be insufficient to repay the debt. If they are insufficient or if the team fails, the taxpayers, not the purchaser, is liable. That is where we believe the deal should be restructured to avoid an illegal gift. If the parking rights are as valuable as the City apparently believes, then the purchaser should borrow the money necessary to make the purchase, not the City.
We continue waiting on the City to provide us with the remaining documents that are relevant to this arrangement, per the Court order. Once we have those documents, we will review them. At that time, we would be glad to offer additional analysis. At this point, however, we have no new analysis to offer. If the City chooses to restructure the deal, we will also be pleased to review it.

Sincerely,
Darcy Olsen
 

talloola

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Distance has little to do with it. Time zones do. Since inter-divisional away games are the best in terms of TV, it's nice to have them on at a decent time. I'm sure the people of Winnipeg would rather watch a Wild, Hawk or Blues game that runs from 7:30 - 10:30 than a Nucks game that runs from 9:30 to 12:30 AM. I know most parents won't let their kids stay up past midnight unless it's playoff hockey. I'm sure the Nucks would rather have more games that start at 7:30 than at 6 or 5. Higher ratings = higher revenue.

canucks rarely have a game start at any other time other than 7:00 p.m., but of course there are a few, but
very few.

it would be nice if seattle had a team, then canucks, seattle, san jose, anaheim and los angeles could
all be one division.

teams can't have everything they want, they will take what is given to them, as it is difficult to
please all of them.

minnesota is in our division, how do you think they feel, even further than winnipeg.

as soon as they would totally please some, others would be screaming.
 

Cannuck

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canucks rarely have a game start at any other time other than 7:00 p.m., but of course there are a few, but
very few.

They have lots of games that start at different times. Most of their road games that are in different time zones don't start at 7:00.
 

talloola

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They have lots of games that start at different times. Most of their road games that are in different time zones don't start at 7:00.

i'm talking about home games only, of course away games start at different times, didn't
realize you were talking about travel. Doesn't matter when they start, the only games that
seem to upset the team a bit are early afternoon games in the east, very different to their
regular game day schedule, but that doesn't happen very often at all.

Fans don't care when they start, all of our game times are convenient,but i'm sure in the east the fans whine about having to
watch their own teams very late when they are out west.
 

talloola

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You seem to have a nasty habit of not reading what you are responding to

OK, thats it, I was enjoying back and forth with you about the hockey, but now you're sliding into
the personal stuff again, and I won't buy into that, yes, I misunderstood what you said, i'm
human, that happens, just as it does with most people, sorry about that.


Have a nice day.
 

petros

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Successful business people in Winnipeg disagree with you and are willing to shell out 170 million to back up their beliefs. Besides, there isn't enough people in Phoenix who are willing to drop $200 twice a week for good seats.

The reason Winnipeg will be successful is that True North owns the MTS Centre. Most owners would cut their left nut off to have that luxury.

Threat of litigation scaring off investors - Winnipeg Free Press
So it will take corporate hand outs and corporate season ticket sales to make it work? Who will they hand these tickets out too? I'd really like to see a team in Winnipeg again but on the other hand I'd hate to see it fail too.

Corporate support isn't a dad taking his kids to see a game without having to blow a week's pay to do it.
 

petros

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Like any other team, it will take ticket sales.
Disposable income in Winnipeg isn't the same as in AB, ON or even SK with it's insane growth rates.


WINNIPEG — Winnipeg had 19th highest median total family income among 33 Canadian cities in 2008, according to new data issued today.

Total family income includes employment income, investment income, government transfers, pension income and other income. The median is the point where half of the families’ incomes are higher and half are lower.

Statistics Canada said data derived from 2008 personal income tax returns show Winnipeg families had a median income of $70,510 for that year — the same as families in Windsor, Ont.
Calgary had the highest median family income at $91,570, with Edmonton ($88,190), Ottawa-Gatineau ($87,160), Oshawa ($83,220) and Guelph ($81,910) rounding out the Top 5.

Winnipeg also had the thirteenth biggest increase in median family income from 2007 to 2008, at 1.5 per cent. Saskatoon had the top gain, at 4.1 per cent, followed by St. John’s (4.0), Greater Sudbury (3.9), and Saint John and Edmonton at 3.3 per cent each.