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[Cannuck]

And in Quebec city they think the NHL is coming back there too.

FYI-it isn't/it never will and someone has been inhaling their own farts for far too long.

The richest man in Canada said he wants to buy a team and can make money in Winnipeg. Do you doubt him?

The NHL BOG say they are not willing to drop another 30 million into the Yotes. Do you doubt them?

The new prospective owner of the Yotes wants 100 million from Glendale immediately and 97 million over the next few years for a team that he is only buying for 170 million. There are only four possible outcomes.

1 - The team folds and the NHL loses its 170 million investment - will never happen as long as True North is there and willing to write a cheque.

2 - The prospective owner closes this deal and the team stays in Phoenix - this is looking more and more unlikely considering the bond issue and The Goldwater Institute.

3 - The team is sold to the Winnipeg group.

4 - The team is sold to another group and moved to another city - Current;y, there are no buyers lined up so that option would have to be delayed another year. Given the BOG's reluctance to drop another 30 million into the team, this option is not likely.

Given the time required to move a team, I don't see the NHL waiting much longer. The economics of the game have changed since the mid nineties. Given that half the teams in the NHL are losing money, teams in Canada make a lot of sense.

Which of the four options do you think is most likely.

 

[bill barilko]

Which of the four options do you think is most likely.

Inhaling.....farts......

 

[talloola]

yeah, returning to winnipeg makes sense, they have the building, just need a few changes, nothing
major.
If the NHL had of helped winnipeg to begin with, as they have done for phoenix, maybe they would
not have had to move anywhere, when they did.

Why would they put so many millions into phoenix, but nothing into winnipeg when they were floundering.
They actually own phoenix coyotes now, and lose money each and every day, which means that the money
they are losing belongs to the rest of the teams who pay pay pay for a team no one in 'glendale' give
a hoot about.

Bettman would continue making stupid decisions, by putting teams in kansas city and las vegas, wonder
what is going on(that none of us know about,) in those cities.

 

[Cannuck]

Inhaling.....farts......

I thought there was an age limit on this site.

Bettman would continue making stupid decisions, by putting teams in kansas city and las vegas, wonder
what is going on(that none of us know about,) in those cities.

The problem is that it takes time to make a deal like that. If you are the BOG and you have a guy in Winnipeg with his check book out willing to pay the asking price, are you wiling to gamble and throw another 30 million at the Yotes in hopes that another buyer pops up elsewhere. I have my doubts that there is already another buyer waiting in the wings. It didn't take any time at all for the True north interest to become public

Coyotes saga has governors demanding answers - Winnipeg Free Press

 

[wulfie68]

Bettman would continue making stupid decisions, by putting teams in kansas city and las vegas, wonder
what is going on(that none of us know about,) in those cities.

Talloola. Stop.

Bettman doesn't make the calls, he just funnels ideas to the owners/BOG. He gets a lot of crap, especially here in Cannuckistan, but he's more a figurehead than anything else. Everyone wants to hate on the dwarf lawyer, and he does get paid millions to take the shots, but most of what he gets blamed for isn't on him.

I would LOVE to see more NHL teams in Canada: I think it would be great for Canadians, but I am scepitcal of moving back to places that have lost them. If billionaires think they can make things work then great! But there's also a billionaire in Edmonton, with a larger fanbase and area than the 'Peg and QC combined, involved in a lot of negotiations right now. Yes, its about a building, which Winnipeg has (although I do want to find out more...) but the fact remains that smaller markets in Canada aren't a guarantee and they usually require concessions from municipal and provincial gov'ts.

 

[talloola]

Talloola. Stop.

Bettman doesn't make the calls, he just funnels ideas to the owners/BOG. He gets a lot of crap, especially here in Cannuckistan, but he's more a figurehead than anything else. Everyone wants to hate on the dwarf lawyer, and he does get paid millions to take the shots, but most of what he gets blamed for isn't on him.

I would LOVE to see more NHL teams in Canada: I think it would be great for Canadians, but I am scepitcal of moving back to places that have lost them. If billionaires think they can make things work then great! But there's also a billionaire in Edmonton, with a larger fanbase and area than the 'Peg and QC combined, involved in a lot of negotiations right now. Yes, its about a building, which Winnipeg has (although I do want to find out more...) but the fact remains that smaller markets in Canada aren't a guarantee and they usually require concessions from municipal and provincial gov'ts.

there is no one else but bettman to complain to. he gets paid well, and that is part of his job, he
is out there, it is his responsibility to hear the complaints, and if he can't do anything about it, then
he can pass along the message.

the building will be filled in winnipeg, canadians care, and if they do have any
financial problems, at least it won't be from empty buildings, as it is in those
parts o the u.s., where they should never have thought to have hockey to begin with.

 

[bill barilko]

It must be the dead of winter where you all live.

This has been beaten to death-US team owners don't want anymore Canadian teams and that's that.

 

[talloola]

It must be the dead of winter where you all live.

This has been beaten to death-US team owners don't want anymore Canadian teams and that's that.

wish the u.s. team owners had 'thought' to say that to bettman long ago.

 

[bill barilko]

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said he's "aware of what's going on" in the contentious Quebec City arena debate and repeated the league's stance that it has no current plans to expand or relocate.

 

[talloola]

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said he's "aware of what's going on" in the contentious Quebec City arena debate and repeated the league's stance that it has no current plans to expand or relocate.

that doesn't mean a thing, just keeps people waiting a little longer to see just what is around the
next corner.

hopefully this phoenix thing will finally come to an end, it has been an embarassing journey for
the NHL, and we'll see if they can finally do the 'right' thing, or at least something that makes
a bit of sense.

 

[Cannuck]

It’s shameful to blame fans if Thrashers move to Winnipeg | Jeff Schultz

 

[Cannuck]

Proposed sale of Coyotes drags on - Winnipeg Free Press

THE clock on the sale of the Phoenix Coyotes continues to tick with the whiff of a lawsuit jamming up the needed bond purchase to facilitate a close.
Prospective Coyotes buyer Matthew Hulsizer awaits the $100 million he needs to buy the franchise from the NHL but the City of Glendale is having trouble raising the money.
The bonds were issued more than two weeks ago but pre-sale attempts have failed to gain much traction and Glendale to date has been unable to come up with the money Hulsizer needs fronted in order to close the deal with the NHL.
Numerous reports have had the Coyotes deal on the verge of finalizing but NHL commissioner Gary Bettman was less than certain during an interview on Thursday with the Fan 590 radio show in Toronto.

 

[Unforgiven]

I just don't understand why it is that a city that couldn't support a team loses the team, isn't it twice now, and while a city who could easily support a team goes begging with none? Since Bateman, the NHL has droppped a lot in quality of the game. Too much corporate, not enough fan driven planning.

 

[Cannuck]

No one wants to pay for the Phoenix Coyotes - Winnipeg Free Press

Point the finger anyway you like — at the City of Glendale, the NHL, Matthew Hulsizer or the Goldwater Institute — but the bottom line is no one wants the Phoenix Coyotes. Or more to the point, no one wants to pay for them.

 

[talloola]

I just don't understand why it is that a city that couldn't support a team loses the team, isn't it twice now, and while a city who could easily support a team goes begging with none? Since Bateman, the NHL has droppped a lot in quality of the game. Too much corporate, not enough fan driven planning.

the bottom line is 'corporate money', fans do not have the money to purchase and set up any team.
the cost is high, the purchase has to be made, and private corporations must come forward to do that.
the fans can support that by filling the building every game.

it seems winnipeg lost the team in the first place because they lost the support of corporate money.
teams are not set up by government or any public money at all.
if winnipeg is to get the team back, they must be sure that corporate co operation is there for the
long haul, not just till the novelty wears off.
I hope this happens, we need that team back in canada.

 

[petros]

I like hockey but not enough to drop $400 twice a week for 2 nosebleed tix. I doubt there are enough people in Wpg who can or will drop that kind of cash on a game.

 

[talloola]

I like hockey but not enough to drop $400 twice a week for 2 nosebleed tix. I doubt there are enough people in Wpg who can or will drop that kind of cash on a game.

well that is the key, corporate money and fill the building, so I hope they are doing their
homework in winnipeg, and don't try to jump into something they cannot support, it would be
a shame to drag that team all the way up from phoenix and put them through the same crap
they have had to go through allread.

 

[Unforgiven]

the bottom line is 'corporate money', fans do not have the money to purchase and set up any team.
the cost is high, the purchase has to be made, and private corporations must come forward to do that.
the fans can support that by filling the building every game.

Jim Balsillie

it seems winnipeg lost the team in the first place because they lost the support of corporate money.
teams are not set up by government or any public money at all.
if winnipeg is to get the team back, they must be sure that corporate co operation is there for the
long haul, not just till the novelty wears off.
I hope this happens, we need that team back in canada.

They had a home ready made in Hamilton that could support a team far more than Winnipeg ever will corporate and fan base taken into account. No deal. It's only a matter of time for any NHL team to fail again in Winnipeg because the support just isn't there.

Take Toronto for example, the Leafs will never fail here regardless of how many time they don't make the playoffs.
Most of the time the only way a lot of fans are ever going to see the Leafs live is when they hold a practice in an out door rink once or twice a year.

Now if Winnipeg had corporations that would buy up as many season tickets as were made available, write the seats off against earnings as a business expense in the years the government is falling over it self to cut business tax, then you have government subsidized hockey, funded by the public for the filthy rich. Good luck with that in Winnipeg but Hamilton is just an hour drive from El Toro, and for that matter, you can take Via rail business class and get a good head start on the drinking.

Will it ever happen? Hell no because Jim Balsillie isn't one of them.

 

[Cannuck]

I like hockey but not enough to drop $400 twice a week for 2 nosebleed tix. I doubt there are enough people in Wpg who can or will drop that kind of cash on a game.

Successful business people in Winnipeg disagree with you and are willing to shell out 170 million to back up their beliefs. Besides, there isn't enough people in Phoenix who are willing to drop $200 twice a week for good seats.

The reason Winnipeg will be successful is that True North owns the MTS Centre. Most owners would cut their left nut off to have that luxury.

Threat of litigation scaring off investors - Winnipeg Free Press

 

[talloola]

Jim Balsillie



They had a home ready made in Hamilton that could support a team far more than Winnipeg ever will corporate and fan base taken into account. No deal. It's only a matter of time for any NHL team to fail again in Winnipeg because the support just isn't there.

Take Toronto for example, the Leafs will never fail here regardless of how many time they don't make the playoffs.
Most of the time the only way a lot of fans are ever going to see the Leafs live is when they hold a practice in an out door rink once or twice a year.

Now if Winnipeg had corporations that would buy up as many season tickets as were made available, write the seats off against earnings as a business expense in the years the government is falling over it self to cut business tax, then you have government subsidized hockey, funded by the public for the filthy rich. Good luck with that in Winnipeg but Hamilton is just an hour drive from El Toro, and for that matter, you can take Via rail business class and get a good head start on the drinking.

Will it ever happen? Hell no because Jim Balsillie isn't one of them.

Toronto is the largest of the NHL franchises, has lots of power and say in decisions made within
the board of directors of the NHL, (owners), and in my opinion the NHL has their own plans for
'what' will happen in the southern ontario area re: NHL expansion. They want to make those decisions,
and they weren't about to allow 'him' to come in and purchase phoenix, move them to hamilton, set up
a very successful hockey franchise, and watch it triple in value, and give 'him' the profits, NO, they
want those profits, and with the input of toronto, along with the NHL, they will decide on the southern
ontario decisions, and 'they' will make the profits.

Too bad, but thats the way it goes, even 'he' with all of his billions, blackberries and all, can't
even get past this one, seems unbelievable, but we all saw it happen.