B.C. pedophile, homeward bound after Thai prison term, arrested at Vancouver airport

PoliticalNick

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Probably better is he was just dropped down an old mine shaft!

If that is the judges sentence after a fair trial for a crime committed in Canada I would support it.

This pedophile is a teacher, even with no actual criminal record in Canada, he would have access to children. The RCMP Intregation Child Exploitation unit arrested this man to get conditions put in place to try to help protect the CHILDREN. Anyone with a history of being a pedophile isnt about to stop. IMHO they were right to arrest him immediately.

Teacher convicted of sex crimes in Asia in B.C. custody - British Columbia - CBC News

The question is not whether it is correct for them to seek conditions imposed by a court order, they should. The question is did they have a legitimate charge to arrest him. They could still use a civil court to get the conditions using say a class action protection order from the ministry of children. Might not be a newsworthy as an arrest but would get the job done without an illegal arrest.
 

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The link I posted with my comments state : The RCMP's Integrated Child Exploitation unit obtained a warrant for Neil's arrest under a rarely used section of the Criminal Code that allows arrest if someone's action causes fear of sexual offences to anyone under the age of 16.

Knowing that a pedophile may be coming into your area, near your children - does that not cause fear for that childs protection? Illegal arrest....sorry, I dont think so
 

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Could they have found a better pic to make this guy look deranged and dangerous? :lol:

Actually, this creep pretty much smiles like that all the time. It's quite disturbing.

I would bring to your attention a thing called double jeopardy which is part of these laws. I also have a problem with people being charged with a crime that takes place in another jurisdiction. It is not Canada's place to make laws outside of our borders or attempt to bring justice in place of a foreign sovereign state.

This doesn't mean I wouldn't introduce the bast*rd to the business end of a .44 if he came near my kids but untill he actually does something in Canada there is no resins to prosecute him here.

Isn't double jeopardy only in the US?
 

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The link I posted with my comments state : The RCMP's Integrated Child Exploitation unit obtained a warrant for Neil's arrest under a rarely used section of the Criminal Code that allows arrest if someone's action causes fear of sexual offences to anyone under the age of 16.

Criminal Code Section 810

I was reading somewhere earlier that a few BC Judges have made use of it. But I can't remember where I saw it right now.

Isn't double jeopardy only in the US?

No I believe we have provisions covering it in the Charter of Rights.
 

PoliticalNick

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Criminal Code Section 810

I was reading somewhere earlier that a few BC Judges have made use of it. But I can't remember where I saw it right now.



No I believe we have provisions covering it in the Charter of Rights.

Thanks. So we have a legitimate cause for arrest and to keep tabs for 12 months. I'm cool with that. Let him know he's being watched closely and as soon as he does something wrong nail him to the wall. That is far more legitimate than crossing the boundaries of national sovereignty.
 

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Canada charging a citizen for a crime committed in another jurisdiction just doesn't seem right, especially considering he was convicted and served time for those crimes in that other jurisdiction. Even when it comes to international law, ideally criminals are charged, convicted and sentenced in the countries in which the crimes were committed.

Perhaps laws against pedophile tourism can be extended into international jurisdiction. That would be a major step towards blurring the lines of national sovereignty, far more than current international law does.

But when it comes to the safety of children, maybe that should be an international law dealt with in an international court of law. That way he has a criminal record in all countries and whatever restraints the court places on him would also apply internationally.

I'm for limited sovereignty, but I'm also for abandoning soverignty in those specific cases that are for the greater good.

But again, that's different from an Ontarian 18 year old going to Quebec to get drunk and then being tried in an Ontario court for underage drinking. Again, if you wanted that, it would then have to be a federal law. As soon as it applies beyond a jurisdiction's boundaries, then it must be dealt with in a higher court covering a wider jurisdiction.

Of course we don't want them around, but we can't just go inventing laws that violate individual rights and international sovereignty to keep them away. Better we create and invest in a true international law and justice system to deal with it. What we are doing now is not the correct way to handle the problem.

If someone could answer my original question of what did they charge him with to arrest him? That was my original concern, did they have a valid charge to arrest the man on? If they did not have a valid charge then it is a civil rights violation whether you want to agree or not.

from what I'd read the RCMP is not planning on charging him with anything, but merely try to impose somre restrictions on him re: being near children and such. That I think is reasonable since it's not actually a punishment but merely protection of children based on proven behaviour of the person in question. That is not the same as sentencing him though.

Now if he violates the restrictions imposed on him, then they'd be charging him for a crime committed in Canada.

The link I posted with my comments state : The RCMP's Integrated Child Exploitation unit obtained a warrant for Neil's arrest under a rarely used section of the Criminal Code that allows arrest if someone's action causes fear of sexual offences to anyone under the age of 16.

Knowing that a pedophile may be coming into your area, near your children - does that not cause fear for that childs protection? Illegal arrest....sorry, I dont think so

That's reasonable, but it seems like they won't be charging him with anything, just imposing restrictions on him.

I can access my email on any computer in the world and send who knows what to who knows where! :smile:

But if I rob a bank in the US from Canada, then logically Canadian law ought to apply, unless you wanted to send it to the Hague. But no US should have any jurisdiciton there.

Same if I rob a bank in Canada from the US. Then that ought to be US jurisdiction and not Canadian.
 

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Thanks. So we have a legitimate cause for arrest and to keep tabs for 12 months. I'm cool with that. Let him know he's being watched closely and as soon as he does something wrong nail him to the wall. That is far more legitimate than crossing the boundaries of national sovereignty.

I get the point you're making regarding sovereignty and charging Canadian citizens for crimes committed in other jurisdictions and sure, maybe an international law would be the most ideal. But until all the nations in the world grow up enough commit to solidarity on this issue, it will be absolutely meaningless. For instance, are you aware that Japan is the only OECD nation that has not universally outlawed possession of child pornography? I read about that a little while back and I was shocked. Japan is a modern country, a first world nation. Yet possession of child pornography is still thought of, under law, as a victimless crime.

As far as child sex tourism and our government enacting legislation with which they can charge and prosecute our citizens, I see that as nothing more than filling in a gap in international law and crime prevention as it exists. This is not simply a matter of the RCMP sitting back and running a long distance investigation on our citizens who breaking laws in the nations in which they are a tourist in. This type of prosecution would involve heavy international cooperation. Foreign nations, embassies, Interpol, local law enforcement in affected areas as well as law enforcement here at home. The U.K, the US, Australia and I'm sure quite a few other nations also have similar legislation as well. Perhaps this is the first step towards that international law that you feel so strongly about.

But until the day comes when we have that international law, these sex tourism crime laws are the best we can come up with. Do they meet the test of the strictest letter of the law and it's principles? Maybe, maybe not, that would be for a SCC ruling to determine. But to do nothing when something can be done, that's just inhuman.
 

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As i understand it the Court is attempting to enforce some oversight on a convicted pedophile.. a condition that is notoriously prone to recidivism.. and has a low prospect of complete alleviation. Something on the order of demanding that he not be allowed in the presence of children without reliable supervision.. and not be allowed to prowl the internet. He's not being charged with a crime.. as i understand it.. the Court just wants voluntary.. or imposed restraint on someone who by all objective standards has a high probability of re-offending.. and is a danger to society.
 

wizard

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... the rcmp has the authority to execute christopher neil on the spot if they wish, in british columbia anyway. the dziekański murder proved it. so it's silly to suggest that neil, or anyone else for that matter, has any civil rights to speak of ...

... and why is the rcmp bringing all this repugnant activity -- the killing and kidnapping of innocent victims -- to this airport in richmond, bc? surely they can stalk their victims elsewhere. they're making the airport such an unsafe place to be ...
 

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... the rcmp has the authority to execute christopher neil on the spot if they wish, in british columbia anyway. the dziekański murder proved it. so it's silly to suggest that neil, or anyone else for that matter, has any civil rights to speak of ...

... and why is the rcmp bringing all this repugnant activity -- the killing and kidnapping of innocent victims -- to this airport in richmond, bc? surely they can stalk their victims elsewhere. they're making the airport such an unsafe place to be ...

Such Wizdom! or is that Wizdumb?
 

wizard

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... i'd like to think that once someone has served their sentence for any crime, domestically or elsewhere, they're free to go. this includes those found guilty of terrorism, murder, sex crimes even ...

... since he's not answering to an actual charge and there's no evidence that he's broken any laws, the bc government is telling us that christopher neil cannot challenge the proceedings that are being undertaken against him. shouldn't everyone at least have A SLIGHT CHANCE of successfully defending themselves in a courtroom, especially when not accused of a crime?
 

wizard

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... considering the rcmp's contempt for the law when it comes to accused pedophiles, it's my belief that they're probably responsible for the murder of the notorious pedophile robin sharpe. sharpe has been missing for years now. it's obvious that he was snuffed out by the crown ...

... considering the contempt the crown has shown for the rights of christopher neil, don't be surprised if christopher neil goes "missing" at some point in the future as well ...