AUTO WORKERS - What am I missing?

[petros]

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

Every other industrial nation has an independent auto company making a line of autos except Canada.

A 100% Canadian made vehicle wouldn't get caught up in sh*tty trade deals where Canadian taxpayers don't have to subsidize foreign companies.

 

[JLM]

"They are still useful, but I would say they lost perspective and direction, among other things. A large company with many employees almost needs a union to ensure all employees are treated fairly and equally."- I was Union member in a big organization for close to 30 years and employees being treated fairly and equally is what DIDN'T happen, the parasites, drones and sh*t disturbers got extra protection.

 

[TenPenny]

Every other industrial nation has an independent auto company making a line of autos except Canada.

Can you please list them?

 

[petros]

Mercedes Benz - Official Website of the Mercedes Benz and DaimlerChrysler automotive company. Information on Mercedes-Benz products and services.
http://www.mercedes-benz.com
more info...


Volvo Cars - The website of Volvo cars company, website includes information on new volvo car brands and European country selector.
http://volvocars.com/
more info...

Alfa Romeo - Official site for the Fiat division featuring new model and racing information.
http://www.alfaromeo.com/
more info...

Aston Marton - The website of Aston Martin offering information on Aston Martin cars includes DBS, V8 series DB9 and DBR9 cars.
http://www.astonmartin.com/
more info...

Audi Motors - Official site for Audi, with pictures and specs for new models, a new and used vehicle and car accessory search.
http://www.audi.com
more info...

BMW (Official Website) - The international BMW website, with information on products, services and activities.
http://www.bmw.com/
more info...

BMW Group - BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce Motor Cars. Information on all products and services of the brands of the BMW Group.
http://www.bmwgroup.com
more info...

Ceccato - Specialized in the production, trading and service of vehicle wash units. Manufacturing equipment to wash all kind of vehicles.
http://www.ceccato.it/eng/default.htm
more info...

Cimos Group - Creating a new path in the field of development and production of automotive components. Based in Slovenia.
http://www.cimos.si/
more info...

Citroën - The official website of Citroen cars, offers information about the car and the manufacturers.
http://www.citroen.co.uk/
more info...

CreSystem - Founded in 1993, the CreSystem Company is specialized firstly in the electric motorization of aircraft seats.
http://www.cresystem.fr/societe/index.html
more info...

Dodge - For a wide range of Dodge cars, including the Viper, Charger, Caliber, SR-10 and RAM visit the official UK website.
http://www.dodge.co.uk
more info...

Dovaina - Major activities: production of brake linings and brake pads for lorries and buses, and air bags. Also makes heat exchanger.
http://www.dovaina.lt/
more info...

Equicruiser - Equicruiser UK Ltd are equine coachbuilders of lasting quality, specialising in the manufacture and sale of new & used horseboxs.
http://www.equicruiser.co.uk
more info...

Ferrari Auto Company - For over fifty years, Ferrari has been building cars that combine passion, design and technological perfection.
http://www.ferrari.com
more info...

Fiat Motors - Official website of Fiat Auto company, manufacturing the Fiat car brand.
http://www.fiat.com/
more info...

HTM srl - HTM s.r.l. company is in design and manufacturing of electrical vehicle.
http://www.htmworld.com/en/index.html
more info...

Hyundai Motor Europe - Information for car manufacturer that manufactures Hyundai automobile brands, includes Accent, Elantra, Getz, Sonata and others.
http://www.hyundai-europe.com/
more info...

Icotek GmbH - Cable Gland Entry Systems Integrators - Control panel builders - Automotive industry - Machine builders -Electrical installations.
http://www.icotek-gmbh.de/default_en.htm
more info...

Jaguar - The website of Aston Martin offering information on Jaguar cars includes XK, XJ, XF, S-Type, X-Type new series.
http://www.jaguar.co.uk
more info...

Lamborghini UK - Find out about Lamborghini models, current and historic. Browse pre-owned Lamborghini cars for sale, and find out about service, parts and useful links and contact addresses.
http://www.lamborghini.co.uk
more info...

Land Rover - Information about Land Rover vehicles and services around the World.
http://www.landrover.com
more info...

Maserati Car Company - Official website of Maserati sports cars with class and elegance, manufactured in the City of Modena, Italy.
http://www.maserati.com/jsp/index.jsp

MIROFRET - Company manufactures different types of vehicles for transport of perishable goods.
http://www.mirofret.com/ingles/index.htm
Opel Motors - Opel Cars is a car manufacturer that sells Vectra, Corsa, Astra, Tigra, Meriva, Zafira, Signum, Combo, Vivaro, Movano brands.
http://www.opel.com
more info...

Peugeot - The official site for makers of Peugeot cars, vans and motorcycles.
http://www.peugeot.com
more info...

Porsche - Official site for Porsche cars. Includes details on the latest models, a pre-owned vehicle search and financing information.
http://www.porsche.com/
more info...

Remorque Mandinoise - We have a large selection of trailers and transporters to offer you that have laden weight capacities ranging from 500 kg to 6 tons.
http://www.remorques-mandrinoises.fr/hten/Page1.html
more info...

Renault Cars - The official site of Renault Cars, the car manufacturers that produce Renault cars.
http://www.renault.com/
more info...

Rolls Royce - official website of Rolls Royce. Rolls-Royce operates in four global markets - civil aerospace, defence aerospace, marine and energy.
http://www.rolls-royce.com
more info...

Saab Auto Company - The website of Saab cars company, website includes information on new Saab car brands and European country selector.
http://www.saab.com/

You should know the Jap ones by now but Hindustan motors and Tata are from India I'd I'd wager you've problably never seen Chinese Geely dealership have you?

 

[petros]

www.chinacarforums.com

 

[TenPenny]

Please list for me what national car manufacturer is in Sweden, for example.
Or, for an easier target, Great Britain.

 

[TenPenny]

You should know the Jap ones by now but Hindustan motors and Tata are from India I'd I'd wager you've problably never seen Chinese Geely dealership have you?

I've ridden in a Geely taxi.

 

[petros]

The table below shows the world's largest motor vehicle manufacturing groups, along with the marques produced by each one. The table is ranked by the latest production figures from OICA 2007[19] for the parent group, and then alphabetically by marque.
MarqueCountry of originOwnershipMarkets1. Toyota Motor Corporation ( Japan)Daihatsu* SubsidiaryGlobal, except North America and AustraliaHino* SubsidiaryAsia Pacific, Canada and South AmericaLexus DivisionGlobalScion DivisionNorth AmericaToyota DivisionGlobal2. General Motors Corporation ( United States)Buick DivisionNorth America, China, Israel, TaiwanCadillac DivisionGlobalChevrolet DivisionGlobalDaewoo SubsidiaryAsia, South America, South AfricaGMC DivisionNorth America, Middle EastHolden SubsidiaryAustralia, New Zealand, Middle EastHummer** DivisionGlobalOpel** DivisionEurope (except UK), South AfricaPontiac*** DivisionNorth AmericaSaab** SubsidiaryGlobalSaturn*** DivisionNorth America, Japan, TaiwanVauxhall** SubsidiaryUnited Kingdom3. Porsche Automobil Holding SE ( Germany)Audi SubsidiaryGlobalBentley SubsidiaryGlobalBugatti SubsidiaryGlobalLamborghini SubsidiaryGlobalPorsche SubsidiaryGlobalScania SubsidiaryGlobalSEAT SubsidiaryEurope, Latin AmericaŠkoda SubsidiaryGlobal, except North AmericaVolkswagen SubsidiaryGlobal4. Ford Motor Company ( United States)Ford DivisionGlobalLincoln DivisionNorth America, Middle EastMercury DivisionNorth America, Middle EastTroller SubsidiarySouth America and AfricaVolvo SubsidiaryGlobal5. Hyundai Kia Automotive Group ( South Korea)Hyundai DivisionGlobalKia SubsidiaryGlobal, except Middle East and Africa (except South Africa)6. Honda Motor Company ( Japan)Acura DivisionNorth America, China, RussiaHonda DivisionGlobal7. PSA Peugeot Citroën S.A. ( France)Citroën SubsidiaryGlobal, except North AmericaPeugeot SubsidiaryGlobal, except North America8. Nissan Motor Company ( Japan)Infiniti DivisionNorth America, Middle East, Taiwan, South Korea, Russia, Caucasus, EuropeNissan DivisionGlobal9. Fiat S.p.A. ( Italy)Abarth SubsidiaryGlobal, except North AmericaAlfa Romeo SubsidiaryGlobalFerrari SubsidiaryGlobalFiat SubsidiaryGlobal, except North AmericaIveco SubsidiaryGlobal, except North AmericaLancia SubsidiaryGlobal, except North AmericaMaserati SubsidiaryGlobal10. Renault S.A. ( France)Dacia SubsidiaryEurope, Latin America, Asia, AfricaRenault (cars) DivisionGlobal, except North AmericaRenault Samsung SubsidiaryAsia, South America11. Suzuki Motor Corporation ( Japan)Maruti Suzuki SubsidiaryIndia, Middle East, South AmericaSuzuki DivisionGlobal12. Chrysler LLC ( United States)Chrysler DivisionGlobalDodge DivisionGlobalJeep DivisionGlobal13. Daimler AG ( Germany)AMG DivisionGlobalFreightliner SubsidiaryNorth America, South AfricaMaybach DivisionGlobalMercedes-Benz DivisionGlobalMitsubishi Fuso

 

[petros]

SubsidiaryGlobalOrion SubsidiaryNorth AmericaSetra SubsidiaryEuropeSmart DivisionNorth America, Western Europe, Southeast Asia, South AfricaThomas SubsidiaryNorth AmericaWestern Star SubsidiaryNorth America14. BMW AG ( Germany)BMW DivisionGlobalMINI DivisionGlobalRolls-Royce SubsidiaryGlobal15. Mitsubishi Motors Corporation ( Japan)Mitsubishi DivisionGlobalNedCar SubsidiaryGlobal16. Mazda Motor Corporation ( Japan)Mazda DivisionGlobal17. AvtoVAZ ( Russia)Lada DivisionRussia, EuropeVAZ DivisionRussia, Eastern Europe18. FAW Group ( People's Republic of China)Besturn DivisionChinaHaima SubsidiaryChinaHongqi DivisionChina19. Tata Motors Limited ( India)Hispano SubsidiaryEuropeJaguar SubsidiaryGlobalLand Rover SubsidiaryGlobalTata DivisionIndia, South AfricaTata Daewoo SubsidiarySouth Korea20. Fuji Heavy Industries ( Japan)Subaru DivisionGlobal21. Chang'an Automobile Company ( People's Republic of China)Chang'an DivisionChina, South Africa22. Isuzu Motors ( Japan)Isuzu DivisionGlobal, except North America23. Beijing Automobile Works ( People's Republic of China)BAW DivisionChinaBeijing Jeep SubsidiaryChinaFoton SubsidiaryChinaHaice SubsidiaryChina24. Dongfeng Motor Corporation ( People's Republic of China)Dongfeng DivisionChina25. Chery Automobile ( People's Republic of China)Chery DivisionChina, South Africa, Southeast Asia26. Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation ( People's Republic of China)MG SubsidiaryUKRoewe DivisionChinaSoyat DivisionChinaSsangYong SubsidiarySouth Korea, South Africa, Europe, AustraliaYuejin DivisionChina27. Brilliance China Automotive Holding ( People's Republic of China)Brilliance DivisionChinaJinbei SubsidiaryChina28. GAZ ( Russia)GAZ DivisionRussiaLDV SubsidiaryEuropeLiAZ SubsidiaryRussia29. Volvo Group ( Sweden)Mack SubsidiaryGlobalRenault (trucks) SubsidiaryGlobalNissan Diesel SubsidiaryGlobalNovaBus SubsidiaryNorth AmericaPrevost SubsidiaryNorth AmericaVolvo (trucks) DivisionGlobal30. Harbin Hafei Automobile Industry Group ( People's Republic of China)Hafei DivisionChina31. Geely Automobile ( People's Republic of China)Geely DivisionChinaMaple DivisionChina32. Anhui Jianghuai Automobile Company ( People's Republic of China)JAC DivisionChina33. Mahindra ( India)Mahindra DivisionIndia, South Africa34. Paccar Inc ( United States)DAF SubsidiaryGlobal, except North AmericaKenworth DivisionNorth AmericaLeyland SubsidiaryEuropePeterbilt DivisionNorth America35. Great Wall Motor Company ( People's Republic of China)Great Wall DivisionChina, South Africa36. Changhe ( People's Republic of China)Changhe DivisionChina37. BYD Auto ( People's Republic of China)BYD DivisionChina38. China National Heavy Duty Truck Group Company ( People's Republic of China)Huanghe DivisionChinaSinotruk DivisionChina39. MAN AG ( Germany)MAN DivisionEuropeNeoplan DivisionEurope and Middle EastVW Trucks DivisionSouth America40. Navistar International ( United States)IC SubsidiaryNorth AmericaInternational DivisionNorth America41. Fujian Motor Industry Group ( People's Republic of China)Fujian DivisionChina42. UAZ ( Russia)UAZ DivisionRussia43. Shaanxi Automobile Group ( People's Republic of China)Shaanxi DivisionChina44. Kaima ( People's Republic of China)Kaima DivisionChina

 

[petros]

Good enough of a list?

 

[TenPenny]

Good enough of a list?

That list doesn't say anything about independent car companies in different countries.

 

[petros]

Yes it does. When it says "global" that means HQ and origin country, subsidiary means no HQ and not origin country.

It's not that hard to figure out is it?

 

[TenPenny]

Well, you say that Canada is the only industrialized nation without our own car company.

List the car companies for Sweden, then.

 

[petros]

Ah yes. Volvo and SAAB were bought out. Give it two weeks and the Swedes will buy SAAB back from GM.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

"They are still useful, but I would say they lost perspective and direction, among other things. A large company with many employees almost needs a union to ensure all employees are treated fairly and equally."- I was Union member in a big organization for close to 30 years and employees being treated fairly and equally is what DIDN'T happen, the parasites, drones and sh*t disturbers got extra protection.

Unfortunately that is what happens, especially when the union, and company, achieve what Dr. Laurence J. Peter refers to as a high Maturity Quotient; the number of employees at their level of incompetence X 100 / Total number of employees in the hierarchy. As the maturity quotient gets higher the amount of useful work decreases. This is inevitable and predictable, as a company gets older it becomes inefficient and begins to founder, the unions end up with incompetent representatives spending massive resources advocating for the incompetent workers, leaving little left for the others more deserving of help.

I have also witnessed younger unions doing exemplary work successfully advocating for both competent and incompetent workers equally, which by law they must, while still keeping the company's health in mind.

 

[petros]

If unions were to go would we still need a minimum wage law?

 

[captain morgan]

In terms of this specific discussion, the issue of unions and min wage laws are not related...

.... Unless of course, you wish to suggest that the minimum wages (nationally) be no less than the combined direct wages and benefits amount previously enjoyed by the auto-workers union ($60 - $70 I believe).

 

[petros]

At 15hrs a week. No thnaks!

Of course minimum wage is relevent as is any labour law or union charter.

 

[captain morgan]

I'm somewhat confused about what you're asking. Every province already has a set min wage and the feds have specific guidelines for gvt employees.

That said, why wonder if one is needed?

 

[JLM]

If unions were to go would we still need a minimum wage law?

I think there is a valid use for Unions, keeping an eye on safety issues but on the other hand that doesn't require an entire bureaucracy, it could probably be accomplished by just hiring the spryest guy from the Union and deploying the rest of them.