Arizona's Immigration Law
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Sounds good to me Y.J. However I do get the vague feeling that they don't like Mexico as much as the U.S. Baffles me, stuff is a lot cheaper down there.
"Sounds good to me Y.J. However I do get the vague feeling that they don't like Mexico as much as the U.S. Baffles me, stuff is a lot cheaper down there."
JLM, like or no like has nothing to do with it.
If I saw as many Americans illegally sneak into Mexico as there are Mexicans illegally sneak into the United States, I would be glad to give the two countries equal status.
Sadly, facts are facts.
Prices don't matter to me. Not because I am independently wealthy, but because I have principles - that is why I would never debase myself and support Communist Cuba by vacationing there - and the fact that I would like to be able to come home, rather than being murdered, which is the reason I would not want to visit Mexico.
JLM, like or no like has nothing to do with it.
If I saw as many Americans illegally sneak into Mexico as there are Mexicans illegally sneak into the United States, I would be glad to give the two countries equal status.
Sadly, facts are facts.
Prices don't matter to me. Not because I am independently wealthy, but because I have principles - that is why I would never debase myself and support Communist Cuba by vacationing there - and the fact that I would like to be able to come home, rather than being murdered, which is the reason I would not want to visit Mexico.
Those in this country on a temporary basis all are required to have their ID cards with them showing what their status is. It is the law of the land. Arizona is just allowing their police to help ICE in enforcing the law with more personal. Arizona cannot export or put anyone on trial for being a illegal alien. They can hold them for ICE though.
Here is an item that supports the recently enacted Arizona law
KTAR.com - Deputy shot; illegal immigrants suspected
KTAR.com - Deputy shot; illegal immigrants suspected
From One Hispanic to Others — Arizona, You’re Being Had By the Media
Whenever I’d watch old WWII movies and saw the occupying Nazi soldiers demand papers from French citizens I’d think how lucky we are that here in America we don’t have to be subjected to this treatment. Since the Arizona governor signed an immigration law, Democrats and their fellow alarmists in the MSM are desperately trying to equate it with Nazism and the civil rights abuse of Hispanics. President Obama hinted that the federal government may have to circumvent the law.
As a Hispanic I recognize this ploy for what it is- a desperate attempt to incite militant Hispanic groups into protesting Arizona and liberals into boycotting the state. Why, you may ask? Because if what Arizona did spreads to the entire country, the Democrats are toast. And their media pals know this.
http://bigjournalism.com/aliciacolon/2010/04/29/from-one-hispanic-to-others-re-arizona-youre-being-had-by-the-media/
Whenever I’d watch old WWII movies and saw the occupying Nazi soldiers demand papers from French citizens I’d think how lucky we are that here in America we don’t have to be subjected to this treatment. Since the Arizona governor signed an immigration law, Democrats and their fellow alarmists in the MSM are desperately trying to equate it with Nazism and the civil rights abuse of Hispanics. President Obama hinted that the federal government may have to circumvent the law.
As a Hispanic I recognize this ploy for what it is- a desperate attempt to incite militant Hispanic groups into protesting Arizona and liberals into boycotting the state. Why, you may ask? Because if what Arizona did spreads to the entire country, the Democrats are toast. And their media pals know this.
http://bigjournalism.com/aliciacolon/2010/04/29/from-one-hispanic-to-others-re-arizona-youre-being-had-by-the-media/
Really? How about those who are there legally? How about those who have been in USA for generations? How about other brown people, Indians, Pakistanis, South Americans etc.? Would you deport the lot of them?
"Really? How about those who are there legally? How about those who have been in USA for generations? How about other brown people, Indians, Pakistanis, South Americans etc.? Would you deport the lot of them"
Unless you can prove otherwise, those 'brown skinned people' who have been in the United States legally, or are the descendents of people who came to the United States legally, are againts ILLEGAL invasion. (Only a bleeding heart would say immigration).
Unless you can prove otherwise, those 'brown skinned people' who have been in the United States legally, or are the descendents of people who came to the United States legally, are againts ILLEGAL invasion. (Only a bleeding heart would say immigration).
Will you and SPA quit moving the goal post...He has already lost the argument about the Law and is now trying to change it to something else just so he can continue arguing without admitting defeat on the original argument.....
The OP is about illegal mexicans....the others that he brings into it are irrelevant to the discussion
The OP is about illegal mexicans....the others that he brings into it are irrelevant to the discussion
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And how do you know that, do you have any polls to that effect? And anyway, even if they are against illegal immigration, they seem to be overwhelmingly against the Arizona law. The Arizona law is going to worsen the already hostile relationship between the Republicans and Hispanics.
"And how do you know that, do you have any polls to that effect?"
People with common sense, those who are legal, usually disagree with liberals.
"And anyway, even if they are against illegal immigration, they seem to be overwhelmingly against the Arizona law."
Back on you: How do you know that, do you have polls to that effect?
"The Arizona law is going to worsen the already hostile relationship between the Republicans and Hispanics."
Once again: And how do you know that?
People with common sense, those who are legal, usually disagree with liberals.
"And anyway, even if they are against illegal immigration, they seem to be overwhelmingly against the Arizona law."
Back on you: How do you know that, do you have polls to that effect?
"The Arizona law is going to worsen the already hostile relationship between the Republicans and Hispanics."
Once again: And how do you know that?
Sez you. Hispanics vote for Democrats, for liberals by a 2 to 1 margin. Voting record fo Hispanics indicates that they disagree with conservatives, not with liberals. How many Hispanic votes dad Obama get? How many dad McCain get? There was no comparison, there was a huge difference.
From the voting record of the Hispanics (they vote Democratic over Republican by a 2 to 1 margin).
All Legal immigrants are required by law to carry identification given to them at all times. If they don't, they are breaking the law. But if it went to court a judge probably would just give them a warning not to leave it at home.
Is that a law, really? Which law is that? I don't think we have such a law in Canada.
Just in case no on in this thread has posted it yet, I will.
"The crime rate in Arizona in 2008 was the lowest it has been in four decades. In the past decade, as the number of illegal immigrants in the state grew rapidly, the violent crime rate dropped by 23 percent, the property crime rate by 28 percent. (You can check out the DoJ figures here.)"
Misguided Fears of Crime Fuel Arizona Immigration Law | Cato @ Liberty
"The crime rate in Arizona in 2008 was the lowest it has been in four decades. In the past decade, as the number of illegal immigrants in the state grew rapidly, the violent crime rate dropped by 23 percent, the property crime rate by 28 percent. (You can check out the DoJ figures here.)"
Misguided Fears of Crime Fuel Arizona Immigration Law | Cato @ Liberty
That doesn’t surprise me the least bit, icarus. The crime rate is falling all over North America, so why not Arizona? It is just that Conservatives here in Canada and Republicans in USA keep up inflaming the hysteria about crime among the people to get votes (and their acolytes support them with glee). It is a great vote getter.
This article is posted by the Cato Institute, which is a conservative institute. As such one would expect it to be predisposed towards supporting the immigration law, to whipping up the hysteria about crime. The fact that such a conservative think tank posted such an article tells me that crime is definitely on the decrease.
But when it comes to racism, to xenophobia, any excuse will do. It is easy to rile people up about ‘increasing’ crime rate, no matter what the statistics tell us. Conservatives here in Canada do the same thing.
Well they do in the US ....See attached document....Page 9
http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/M-618.pdf
Because federal immigration was not doing their job.....That's what the Governor's new law does...get the regular police officers the right to do it....
Some may disagree with the law but it is still the enacted law of Arizona. :lol:
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The better way to avoid hassles if for police to apply the law on a uniform rather than racially selective basis.
Looks to me like law-abiding Arizonans should be in favour of even more immigration. A few hundred thousand more illegals should drop the crime rate to zero.