Are we a more tolerant society today?

[JLM]

the thought of my dad having a gun in his hand is terrifying, as he was usually tipsy, and didn't have
a clue about hunting, so that would not have turned out too well.
The local butcher was very helpful to my mom, knew what she liked, and she would always have something
nice and fresh. She did amazing things with stewing beef, pot roast, and we had liver quite often.

Ummmmmmmmm liver and onions and spuds smothered in gravy. Then some idiot decided liver was bad for us due to the cholesterol which put me off eating it, but I think I'll start again, no use to quit living life over that kind of idiocy. You have to be careful with liver though, some of it can be bloody tough and dry.

 

[gerryh]

Are we a more tolerant society today?


Nope, and that's pretty damn obvious with what's happening in texas and the suggestions being made by some posters concerning legislating "morality".

 

[JLM]

Are we a more tolerant society today?


Nope, and that's pretty damn obvious with what's happening in texas and the suggestions being made by some posters concerning legislating "morality".

That just takes a few people Gerry.

 

[gerryh]

That just takes a few people Gerry.

That's right, that's all it takes, that and an apathetic public.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Are we a more tolerant society today?
Nope, and that's pretty damn obvious with what's happening in texas and the suggestions being made by some posters concerning legislating "morality".

Jeez, for the third time recently, I agree with gerryh and the world hasn't come to an end. I don't think society is more tolerant today than in the past, what we tolerate and don't tolerate has changed a bit, that's all, and some intolerance has gone underground, but it's still actively here. The anti-aboriginal racism where I live, for instance, is not nearly as overt as it was 20 years ago, but anybody who thinks it's really diminished much is deluded, if you're alert you'll see it every day.

 

[JLM]

Jeez, for the third time recently, I agree with gerryh and the world hasn't come to an end. I don't think society is more tolerant today than in the past, what we tolerate and don't tolerate has changed a bit, that's all, and some intolerance has gone underground, but it's still actively here. The anti-aboriginal racism where I live, for instance, is not nearly as overt as it was 20 years ago, but anybody who thinks it's really diminished much is deluded, if you're alert you'll see it every day.

That's just it, there's things today that weren't politically incorrect back in the 50s, so I think in areas where we are looking at more tolerance today, it's actually more political correctness. Tolerance comes from the heart, Political correctness comes from being a conformer - (following the Joneses) J.M.H.O.- don't get bent out of shape. :lol:

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Was it really that fashionable to eat fish, different kinds of vegetables etc. in old days? I doubt it.

You obviously never grew up on the east coast. We ate fish almost daily. And a lot of folks grew their own vegetables using caplin as fertilizer. So we got the benefits of fish in our vegetables as well.

 

[JLM]

You obviously never grew up on the east coast. We ate fish almost daily. And a lot of folks grew their own vegetables using caplin as fertilizer. So we got the benefits of fish in our vegetables as well.

Didn't Jesus feed a whole mob with a couple of fish? Or wouldn't that count as the old days. :smile:

 

[AnnaG]

Ummmmmmmmm liver and onions and spuds smothered in gravy. Then some idiot decided liver was bad for us due to the cholesterol which put me off eating it, but I think I'll start again, no use to quit living life over that kind of idiocy. You have to be careful with liver though, some of it can be bloody tough and dry.

I'd be more concerned about iron content than LDL content.

Are we a more tolerant society today?


Nope, and that's pretty damn obvious with what's happening in texas and the suggestions being made by some posters concerning legislating "morality".

Exactly.

Didn't Jesus feed a whole mob with a couple of fish? Or wouldn't that count as the old days. :smile:

Those dinosaur fish were huge. lol

Anyway, I don't think we're much more tolerant than before, just quieter about some issues.

 

[JLM]

I'd be more concerned about iron content than LDL content.

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Is there something the matter with iron now? I eat lots of raisins with my bran flakes. Don't you need iron to prevent anemia? :smile:

 

[AnnaG]

Is there something the matter with iron now? I eat lots of raisins with my bran flakes. Don't you need iron to prevent anemia? :smile:

It'll kill your liver and heart if you intake too much.

 

[JLM]

It'll kill your liver and heart if you intake too much.

Would a good feed of liver and onions once a month do that?

 

[AnnaG]

Would a good feed of liver and onions once a month do that?

Google

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Jeez, for the third time recently, I agree with gerryh and the world hasn't come to an end. I don't think society is more tolerant today than in the past, what we tolerate and don't tolerate has changed a bit, that's all, and some intolerance has gone underground, but it's still actively here. The anti-aboriginal racism where I live, for instance, is not nearly as overt as it was 20 years ago, but anybody who thinks it's really diminished much is deluded, if you're alert you'll see it every day.

That is a matter of perspective, Dexter. By any objective measure, we are a much more tolerant society today compared to 50 years ago. Racism, sexism, homophobia were the norm back then.

Even the anti-aboriginal racism (and I don’t have any firsthand experience with it, I don’t know any aboriginals) has gone underground, according to you. Surely the reason it has gone underground is because overt racism is not tolerated, racism against aboriginals is not considered OK? Otherwise why would it go underground?

If it has gone underground as you say, that is the first step towards getting rid of it. When any prejudice, bias is not considered acceptable, it goes underground, those who subscribe to that prejudice keep it to themselves. So there is progress even when it comes to racism towards aboriginals.

 

[JLM]

"Racism, sexism, homophobia were the norm back then."

Maybe in the ghettos of Philadelphia, but certainly nowhere in the civilized part of Canada, so that statement is basically patent bullsh*t.

 

[AnnaG]

That is a matter of perspective, Dexter. By any objective measure, we are a much more tolerant society today compared to 50 years ago. Racism, sexism, homophobia were the norm back then.

Wrong. Just more vocal about it. And we're talking about the entire world, not just your pissant little neighborhood.

Even the anti-aboriginal racism (and I don’t have any firsthand experience with it, I don’t know any aboriginals) has gone underground, according to you. Surely the reason it has gone underground is because overt racism is not tolerated, racism against aboriginals is not considered OK? Otherwise why would it go underground?

Something being ignored does not mean people tolerate it.

If it has gone underground as you say, that is the first step towards getting rid of it. When any prejudice, bias is not considered acceptable, it goes underground, those who subscribe to that prejudice keep it to themselves. So there is progress even when it comes to racism towards aboriginals.

So what about your intolerance towards people you heap loads of scorn on?

 

[Bar Sinister]

That is a matter of perspective, Dexter. By any objective measure, we are a much more tolerant society today compared to 50 years ago. Racism, sexism, homophobia were the norm back then.

Even the anti-aboriginal racism (and I don’t have any firsthand experience with it, I don’t know any aboriginals) has gone underground, according to you. Surely the reason it has gone underground is because overt racism is not tolerated, racism against aboriginals is not considered OK? Otherwise why would it go underground?

If it has gone underground as you say, that is the first step towards getting rid of it. When any prejudice, bias is not considered acceptable, it goes underground, those who subscribe to that prejudice keep it to themselves. So there is progress even when it comes to racism towards aboriginals.

Agreed. I am old enough to have actually seen significant changes in attitudes toward various minority groups. At one time young women were discouraged from attending tertiary educational institutions for any other purpose than finding a suitable husband (my sister was one of these). Any attempt to enroll in a faculty that might actually lead to a meaningful career was frowned upon as women were expected to marry young and then focus on being homemakers and mothers. Today women make up the majority of students in universities.

I can also remember attitudes toward homosexuality. For the most part the subject was strictly taboo, and if it was admitted to at all it was regarded as as some sort of vile perversion. Gay marriage? - forget it. Those who were openly gay were either ostracized or in some cases subjected to criminal prosecution.

So far as race is concerned, Aboriginals in Canada were not even allowed to vote until 1962. They were expected to show up at various festivals such as the Calgary Stampede to provide a little colour, but were otherwise confined to their rural ghettos. And then there was the civil rights movement in the US and elsewhere, which highlighted the ugly discrimination against blacks. The idea that a Black man might one day be president was so remote as to be considered a complete flight of fancy.

Intolerance still exists; and so far as some individuals are concerned it will probably always exist; but modern Canada has changed considerably in the last 50 years in its attitudes regarding ethnicity, sexual orientation, and gender, just to focus on a few areas of discrimination.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Agreed. I am old enough to have actually seen significant changes in attitudes toward various minority groups. At one time young women were discouraged from attending tertiary educational institutions for any other purpose than finding a suitable husband (my sister was one of these). Any attempt to enroll in a faculty that might actually lead to a meaningful career was frowned upon as women were expected to marry young and then focus on being homemakers and mothers. Today women make up the majority of students in universities.

I can also remember attitudes toward homosexuality. For the most part the subject was strictly taboo, and if it was admitted to at all it was regarded as as some sort of vile perversion. Gay marriage? - forget it. Those who were openly gay were either ostracized or in some cases subjected to criminal prosecution.

So far as race is concerned, Aboriginals in Canada were not even allowed to vote until 1962. They were expected to show up at various festivals such as the Calgary Stampede to provide a little colour, but were otherwise confined to their rural ghettos. And then there was the civil rights movement in the US and elsewhere, which highlighted the ugly discrimination against blacks. The idea that a Black man might one day be president was so remote as to be considered a complete flight of fancy.

Intolerance still exists; and so far as some individuals are concerned it will probably always exist; but modern Canada has changed considerably in the last 50 years in its attitudes regarding ethnicity, sexual orientation, and gender, just to focus on a few areas of discrimination.

Indeed. I don’t really place much faith in anecdotal evidence of somebody; it can be very subjective and often wrong. To get a measure of what society as a whole is thinking, it is important to look at the overall picture, overall statistics.

And statistics make one thing clear, in the old days, while male reigned supreme, everybody else (women, blacks, Native Indians, gays etc.) was very much a second class citizen.