Are we a more tolerant society today?

[AnnaG]

Then government should also voice its disapproval about money,

Depends on what you mean by money. If you mean materialism and an insatiable appetite for money, then perhaps there's something wrong with the education of many youths today, either from teachers or parents. If you mean not enough money to flourish in life, then as long as all have access to quality universal compulsory education, and the government ensure work for all, then there is little reason for people to not have enough money.

roflmao The leading cause for divorce today is financial problems.

Such as?

Differences between a married couple that are so huge and cannot be solved so as to make the marriage work. Sexual incompatibility, for instance. You want a picture of that, too? lol

May be necessary on occasion, but there should be laws in place to discourage it at least. I believe such laws are already in place at least in Quebec, where a couple needs to be separated for at least 1 year before divorce can be granted, as a cooling off period. Good idea in my opinion, since sometimes that's all they might need to fix the marriage.

So you are advocating the gov't grow another branch to make sure that couples have put in enough effort to making a marriage work? Just how big do you think gov't should get and how much involvement in people's private lives do you think is needed?

I don't know. Marriage counselling?

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It's already illegal, but do we provide enough funding to help those who want to kick their addictions?

Illegal or not, people still break up because one or the other gets addicted to something and refuses help. You want yet one more branch of gov't to make sure that these people are forced into rehab?

How is a kid per se a problem to a marriage, unless you mean it results in some of the spin off problems you refer to?

One kid is a good kid who's obedient, thoughtful, careful, etc. The other kid is disobedient, destructive, abusive of the other kid, hangs out with the wrong friends, is constantly in trouble, etc. THINK

Couldn't education help eliminate religious prejudices?

roflmao Look at the world's population. Has it done that yet, after so many thousands of years?

How would politics ruin a marriage?

roflmao He's communist, she's conservative? Dipper/Gliberal?

So what you are saying is that society should disapprove of homosexuality. That is where we disagree.



I think most jurisdictions do have a cooling off period. When I lived in UK, the colling off period there used to be two years. The idea is noting new, it has been around for a long time.



The ill effects of smoking have been known for a long time, but they were largely ignored. I don't specifically know about cancer, but it has been known for a long time that smoking causes shortness of breath, emphysema etc. There was ignorance among the general population.

And I assure you, there was plenty of ignorance about nutrition in old days, the two most important groups were meat and dairy.

From 1956 until 1992 the United States Department of Agriculture recommended its Basic Four Food Groups.
The government's Basic Four involved
(1) meats, poultry, fish, dry beans and peas, eggs, and nuts; in short, proteins
(2) dairy products, such as milk, cheese, and yogurt;
(3) grains and wheat products
(4) fruits and vegetables.
It is only recently that this order has been reversed, with 3, 4 on top and 1, 2 at the bottom. Ignorance is the right word to characterize the state of knowledge about nutrition in old days.

Food guide pyramid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lol As far as that goes, there's still a lot of ignorance about food. Especially in gov't.

 

[YukonJack]

Well, actually the leading cause of divorce is marriage.

 

[AnnaG]

They are looking more along the lines of viruses and infections now.

And ignoring that there are a multitude of nasty ingredients in tobacco? (including benzene compounds: http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/benzene/basics/facts.asp ) Interesting. Good ol Reader's Digest.

tobacco lung cancer - Google Search

Machjo, your proposals don't sound very supportive of tolerance. They sound more like a cause of grief because of gov't intrusion.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Don't forget that anything the USDA says about food and nutrition has to be taken with a grain of salt (no pun intended); the USDA is heavily loaded with people from, and beholden to, the huge agribusiness firms. The mandate of the USDA is not to provide good nutrition, it is mainly to promote agriculture and food industry.

That may be, but people tend to follow government guidelines. If government says that meat and dairy products are of utmost importance (with grains, fruits and vegetables of secondary importance), that is what people will eat.

Indeed, in the old days, it was considered manly to eat red meat, real men did not eat fruits and vegetables. It is not for nothing that the words ‘fruit’ and ‘vegetable’ have a negative connotation when applied to a person.

 

[AnnaG]

Indeed, in the old days, it was considered manly to eat read meat, real men did not eat fruits and vegetables. It is not for nothing that the words ‘fruit’ and ‘vegetable’ have a negative connotation when applied to a person.

In YOUR old days, maybe. That's not applicable everywhere.

 

[talloola]

Indeed, in the old days, it was considered manly to eat red meat, real men did not eat fruits and vegetables. It is not for nothing that the words ‘fruit’ and ‘vegetable’ have a negative connotation when applied to a person.

oh I get it now, you meant the cave man, maybe you do remember them, yeah, red meat was one of their
foods, probably the hardest one to get, things grew on trees back then, and sprouted out of the ground
too, but of course, 'those real men' stood back and shook their heads, 'ugh not me, woman, you eat'.

 

[AnnaG]

oh I get it now, you meant the cave man, maybe you do remember them, yeah, red meat was one of their
footds, probably the hardest one to get, things grew on trees back then, and sprouted out of the ground
too, but of course, 'those real men' stood back and shook their heads, 'ugh not me, woman, you eat'.

lmao Exquisite post, Tall.

 

[JLM]

"Indeed, in the old days, it was considered manly to eat red meat, real men did not eat fruits and vegetables. It is not for nothing that the words ‘fruit’ and ‘vegetable’ have a negative connotation when applied to a person."

Those "old days" must have been prior to the 1940s. Another piece of piffle, I suspect...................LOL

 

[SirJosephPorter]

oh I get it now, you meant the cave man, maybe you do remember them, yeah, red meat was one of their
foods, probably the hardest one to get, things grew on trees back then, and sprouted out of the ground
too, but of course, 'those real men' stood back and shook their heads, 'ugh not me, woman, you eat'.

Come now, what was the traditional North American fare? Meat and potatoes (steak and potatoes when one could afford it). What was the traditional Sunday lunch? Pot roast. Roast beef was considered a treat. Was it really that fashionable to eat fish, different kinds of vegetables etc. in old days? I doubt it.

 

[JLM]

oh I get it now, you meant the cave man, maybe you do remember them, yeah, red meat was one of their
foods, probably the hardest one to get, things grew on trees back then, and sprouted out of the ground
too, but of course, 'those real men' stood back and shook their heads, 'ugh not me, woman, you eat'.

Hey Talloola- when corresponding with one particular poster here all you are going to get is ignorant answers. Like gardens, orchards, grain fields, etc. are something that just got started within the lifetime of "His Majesty".....................................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You'll have to excuse me I'm going into convulsions laughing...........:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[talloola]

Come now, what was the traditional North American fare? Meat and potatoes (steak and potatoes when one could afford it). What was the traditional Sunday lunch? Pot roast. Roast beef was considered a treat. Was it really that fashionable to eat fish, different kinds of vegetables etc. in old days? I doubt it.

each time you describe the meal, you always forget the vegetables, it was steak potatoes and vegetables,
other types of meat, potatoes and vegetables, we never had a meal without vegetables, it would have been
half a meal.
We had fish at least once a week, usually sole, and my dad loved kippers, (irish), so they were around
quite a bit too, at least while my dad was around, when he left the kippers went with him.

Corn beef and cabbage, a very popular meal in our house. Always carrots and peas, if nothing else was
in the house, BUT always vegetables with our meal, but of course you will contradict that statement, just
like I was contradicted so many times describing my home city when I grew up 'IN IT', guess I was slightly
'dim' in those days, I suppose I just had a dream that I ate vegetables at every meal, or maybe it was this
way, I was such an idealist that I am making all of this up just to make everyone think I remember my
childhood, when actually I was in a coma till I was 18.

lol lol

 

[Johnnny]

Sure we are a tolerant society

But were not tolerant of people who arent tolerant

 

[JLM]

each time you describe the meal, you always forget the vegetables, it was steak potatoes and vegetables,
other types of meat, potatoes and vegetables, we never had a meal without vegetables, it would have been
half a meal.
We had fish at least once a week, usually sole, and my dad loved kippers, (irish), so they were around
lol lol

Funny, you ate a lot of the same stuff I did as a kid. One thing we had quite a bit of was maccaroni with tomatoes and cheese, sausages a lot, one thing we ate a lot of (much to our chagrin ) was prem. Anyone who gags on head cheese should try some prem!!!!!!!! For lunch to take to school or work it was always sandwiches and almost invariably an orange. We used to have desserts you don't see so much today, like rice pudding and bread pudding and steam pudding and some kind of berry trifle. Even the dessert in those days was quite healthy- both the rice pudding and the bread pudding had raisins added. So whatever "the great I am" thinks was vogue in those days certainly wasn't around our house...............but hey we're just giving him some more of that unrealiable old anecdotal evidence.....................................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sure we are a tolerant society

But were not tolerant of people who arent tolerant

No, after I've heard their bullsh*t about 340 times I get a little p*ssed off. :lol::lol::lol:

I'm going to have to work at getting that up to 400. :lol::lol:

 

[talloola]

Funny, you ate a lot of the same stuff I did as a kid. One thing we had quite a bit of was maccaroni with tomatoes and cheese, sausages a lot, one thing we ate a lot of (much to our chagrin ) was prem. Anyone who gags on head cheese should try some prem!!!!!!!! For lunch to take to school or work it was always sandwiches and almost invariably an orange. We used to have desserts you don't see so much today, like rice pudding and bread pudding and steam pudding and some kind of berry trifle. Even the dessert in those days was quite healthy- both the rice pudding and the bread pudding had raisins added. So whatever "the great I am" thinks was vogue in those days certainly wasn't around our house...............but hey we're just giving him some more of that unrealiable old anecdotal evidence.....................................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

rice pudding with raisins, bread pudding, I loved it, with raisins too, I still make it the same as my mother
did, steamed xmas pudding too, love it. yeah tomatoes, lots of them, and I wasn't a tomatoe lover in those
days, and in sandwitches, by lunch time, they were soggy, (pulled them out and threw them in the garbage),
prem was gag food, but I did eat it on occasion with salad dressing. I loved salad dressing on bread by
itself.

Always had a fresh fruit in my lunch at school. My mom canned peaches every year, yummy yummy, I loved
them in the evening with a toast.
My mother knew nothing about pasta/macaroni, a pure englishwoman, spaghetti only came in a can, and we
had that once in a while, maybe thats where I discovered what heartburn is. lol

Peanut butter and jam sandwitches will never go out of style.

 

[JLM]

Peanut butter and jam sandwitches will never go out of style.

Yep, Prem was definitely gag food, but it was cheap, so our Mother wasn't going to be talked out of it. I never acquired a taste for salad dressing (miracle whip) until I was in my 40s, so it was just straight prem with boiled spuds and carrots or turnips or peas or parsnips. Green beans from the can were a delicacy. Peanut butter and plum jam were staples........................Ah the good old days. :lol::lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

each time you describe the meal, you always forget the vegetables, it was steak potatoes and vegetables,
other types of meat, potatoes and vegetables, we never had a meal without vegetables, it would have been
half a meal.
We had fish at least once a week, usually sole, and my dad loved kippers, (irish), so they were around
quite a bit too, at least while my dad was around, when he left the kippers went with him.

Corn beef and cabbage, a very popular meal in our house. Always carrots and peas, if nothing else was
in the house, BUT always vegetables with our meal, but of course you will contradict that statement, just
like I was contradicted so many times describing my home city when I grew up 'IN IT', guess I was slightly
'dim' in those days, I suppose I just had a dream that I ate vegetables at every meal, or maybe it was this
way, I was such an idealist that I am making all of this up just to make everyone think I remember my
childhood, when actually I was in a coma till I was 18.

lol lol

That is your personal experience, talloola, and I don't think anybody is doubting you (at least I am not). But that is not how the society was in those days. The official recommendation was that meat and dairy are important, fruit and vegetables not so much. And many people used to follow that advice.

Indeed, you mention corned beef and cabbage, I notice you don't say cabbage and corned beef. Corned beef was the main dish, with a bit of cabbage on the side.

Sure we are a tolerant society

But were not tolerant of people who arent tolerant

You described that perfectly, Johnnny. The only opinions that cannot be tolerated are those who would deny equal rights to others, to minorities, who would want to set up a religious Theocracy. The only thing we won't tolerate is intolerance.

 

[JLM]

" The official recommendation was that meat and dairy are important, fruit and vegetables not so much."-

Put up the link or shut up.

 

[AnnaG]

Come now, what was the traditional North American fare? Meat and potatoes (steak and potatoes when one could afford it). What was the traditional Sunday lunch? Pot roast. Roast beef was considered a treat. Was it really that fashionable to eat fish, different kinds of vegetables etc. in old days? I doubt it.

Like I said, you speak for your own personal experience and quit claiming that it was widespread. My Dad's a bit older than you and his family ate meals with vegetables in them. His favorite as a kid was broccoli and carrots. My hubby's family ate vegetables, too. They also had a lot of fruit for desserts.

As usual, you claim stuff that has no basis in reality.

Didja know a potato is a veggie? Apparently not.
Potato nutrition:

Broccoli nutrition:

Hey Talloola- when corresponding with one particular poster here all you are going to get is ignorant answers. Like gardens, orchards, grain fields, etc. are something that just got started within the lifetime of "His Majesty".....................................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You'll have to excuse me I'm going into convulsions laughing...........:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yeah. It's usually pretty funny when some idiot keeps claiming A when all the evidence points to Z. lol

That is your personal experience, talloola, and I don't think anybody is doubting you (at least I am not). But that is not how the society was in those days. The official recommendation was that meat and dairy are important, fruit and vegetables not so much. And many people used to follow that advice.

Indeed, you mention corned beef and cabbage, I notice you don't say cabbage and corned beef. Corned beef was the main dish, with a bit of cabbage on the side.

So because you never had veggies in your early days (maybe that's why you're a narcissist?), means that the entire society was like you? roflmao

You described that perfectly, Johnnny. The only opinions that cannot be tolerated are those who would deny equal rights to others, to minorities, who would want to set up a religious Theocracy. The only thing we won't tolerate is intolerance.

Apparently even stupidity is tolerable. lmao

" The official recommendation was that meat and dairy are important, fruit and vegetables not so much."-

Put up the link or shut up.

Yeah, show us the money, bigmouth.

 

[TenPenny]

That is your personal experience, talloola, and I don't think anybody is doubting you (at least I am not). But that is not how the society was in those days. The official recommendation was that meat and dairy are important, fruit and vegetables not so much. And many people used to follow that advice.

Not just talloola, everyone ate meat and potatoes and veg.

Except perhaps SJP.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Not just talloola, everyone ate meat and potatoes and veg.

Except perhaps SJP.

Quite so, Tenpenny. Everyone ate meat, potatoes and vegetables in that order. The current recommendation is to eat potatoes, vegetables and meat, in that order.