Are the Democrats about done yet?
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It has become nearly mathematically impossible for Clinton to win the nomination for the Democrats. She would have to win by large margins in almost every state left in the union to win the nomination, as much as she wants, its not happening.
Which I must say I am pleased with because there will be a discussion on the issues rather than the endless mudslinging, or at least that is what I am hoping for. Obama talks issues, Clinton throws mud, McCain has not struck me as a mudslinging candidate. I may not agree with all of his views, but he is realistic. I don't agree with everything Obama says either for that matter.
If the Dumbocrats (and yes, they have been stupid, stupid, stupid in their campaigning) want to be smart and heal their party, Obama should ask Clinton to be his running mate as V.P. Knowing and having met Clinton in person, I would say we stand a better chance of MikeyDB going conservative.
My best guess, and this is what I have heard many Democrats say, Edwards would make a great running mate for V.P. An Obama Edwards ticket in November will almost guarantee the Dems winning the White House.
McCain, even though the fringe left would have you believe otherwise, is NOT Bush and is nowhere near neo-conservative. I have already read and heard the early warning signs from the looney left, and yeah if you believe McCain is like Bush you're a looney leftist even if you don't know it, that McCain is WORSE than Bush.
The vast difference between Bush and McCain is that Bush is very simple minded, he makes quick decisions without understanding, or even wanting to understand, the complexities of an issue.
McCain is NOTHING like Bush.
Early this year, I realized that whether it be Clinton, Obama or McCain, I could honestly say, I could probably live with any of the three. My personal preference is Obama, but again, anyone will do much better.
EDIT: And just keep in mind that the elections are still 6 months away, in politics, that's light years away.
Which I must say I am pleased with because there will be a discussion on the issues rather than the endless mudslinging, or at least that is what I am hoping for. Obama talks issues, Clinton throws mud, McCain has not struck me as a mudslinging candidate. I may not agree with all of his views, but he is realistic. I don't agree with everything Obama says either for that matter.
If the Dumbocrats (and yes, they have been stupid, stupid, stupid in their campaigning) want to be smart and heal their party, Obama should ask Clinton to be his running mate as V.P. Knowing and having met Clinton in person, I would say we stand a better chance of MikeyDB going conservative.
My best guess, and this is what I have heard many Democrats say, Edwards would make a great running mate for V.P. An Obama Edwards ticket in November will almost guarantee the Dems winning the White House.
McCain, even though the fringe left would have you believe otherwise, is NOT Bush and is nowhere near neo-conservative. I have already read and heard the early warning signs from the looney left, and yeah if you believe McCain is like Bush you're a looney leftist even if you don't know it, that McCain is WORSE than Bush.
The vast difference between Bush and McCain is that Bush is very simple minded, he makes quick decisions without understanding, or even wanting to understand, the complexities of an issue.
McCain is NOTHING like Bush.
Early this year, I realized that whether it be Clinton, Obama or McCain, I could honestly say, I could probably live with any of the three. My personal preference is Obama, but again, anyone will do much better.
EDIT: And just keep in mind that the elections are still 6 months away, in politics, that's light years away.
ITN
I have grave doubts about any person who maintains the belief that George Bush acted on "the wrong information" supplied him by the American intelligence community. There exists a plethora of data supporting the contention that the Bush administration worked (both George Herbert and George Walker) to foment Anti-Saddam and Anti-Iraq sentiment as early as Gulf War One. Rumsfeld, Powell, Pearle, Wolfowitz and several others actively pursued the goal of rationalizing military action against Saddam Hussein and Iraq.
I have serious doubts about someone who when the ruling of international law favors their philosphy and perspectives supports and demands that the world recognize and honor international law (NATO, UN, Geneva Conventions etc.) but when the eagerness to behave as the world's police, unilaterally invade a sovereign nation (on false information), disregard the Geneva Conventions and participates in behavior the same as those targetted as the "enemy" satisfies their agenda, can without any qualms of any kind abandon those principles and call that structure of law into doubt.
If being "conservative" means "the ends justifies the means" then yes, there'll never be a "Conservative" symbol associated with my name or my beliefs.
I have grave doubts about any person who maintains the belief that George Bush acted on "the wrong information" supplied him by the American intelligence community. There exists a plethora of data supporting the contention that the Bush administration worked (both George Herbert and George Walker) to foment Anti-Saddam and Anti-Iraq sentiment as early as Gulf War One. Rumsfeld, Powell, Pearle, Wolfowitz and several others actively pursued the goal of rationalizing military action against Saddam Hussein and Iraq.
I have serious doubts about someone who when the ruling of international law favors their philosphy and perspectives supports and demands that the world recognize and honor international law (NATO, UN, Geneva Conventions etc.) but when the eagerness to behave as the world's police, unilaterally invade a sovereign nation (on false information), disregard the Geneva Conventions and participates in behavior the same as those targetted as the "enemy" satisfies their agenda, can without any qualms of any kind abandon those principles and call that structure of law into doubt.
If being "conservative" means "the ends justifies the means" then yes, there'll never be a "Conservative" symbol associated with my name or my beliefs.
McCain has supported Bush every step of the way. He's either entirely stupid (making him a clear choice for an American) or he's going to change the direction that he has supported. And all the faith-based quacks behind the Republican party are going to shut up and allow the party to change? I doubt it.
Beve
How's it goin eh!?
ITN is using a tried and true strategy on the weak-minded he thinks are the average Canadians participating here at Canadian Content. He suggests that there's nothing similar about George W. Bush and John McLame......
If he's referring to the fact that Herbert made sure Georgie wouldn't serve in Viet Nam and used his political clout to get Georgie into the Texas reserve...then yes there's little similarity.... But the "person" George Bush and the "person" John McCain aren't the worst president in American history or the wannabe next-worst president in American history!
The office of the President is an institution, an institution forged in the furnace of rebellion against a monarchy, an institution beaten on the anvil of history into reality by a body of men who saw the possibility of actualizing a social organizing principle that offered the individual the opportunity to be the master of his own fortune and future, no longer overwhelmed and from time to time oppressed by a monarchial structure of elitism and forced to pay both blood and money to a master who wielded the promise of "protection" from the barbaric hordes and "law and order" out of a savage land....
Who then immediately sent off to Africa for their "You too can be a slave-master" kit.
McCain is a Republican and although as an individual a "person" there are differences between the George Bush moron and he, the essential willingness to dominate every nation and every person on earth is a strong in this mans mind as it has been in every American president of the past hundred years. A presidency that has demonstrated its preparedness to forego "The rule of Law" when that suited their purposes, a Presidency that favors the wealthy and the influential before it stands by it's committment to the citizens who build that nation.
No difference of any kind when it comes to the "institutional" John McCain and the institutional George Walker Bush.
Window dressing at best.
How's it goin eh!?
ITN is using a tried and true strategy on the weak-minded he thinks are the average Canadians participating here at Canadian Content. He suggests that there's nothing similar about George W. Bush and John McLame......
If he's referring to the fact that Herbert made sure Georgie wouldn't serve in Viet Nam and used his political clout to get Georgie into the Texas reserve...then yes there's little similarity.... But the "person" George Bush and the "person" John McCain aren't the worst president in American history or the wannabe next-worst president in American history!
The office of the President is an institution, an institution forged in the furnace of rebellion against a monarchy, an institution beaten on the anvil of history into reality by a body of men who saw the possibility of actualizing a social organizing principle that offered the individual the opportunity to be the master of his own fortune and future, no longer overwhelmed and from time to time oppressed by a monarchial structure of elitism and forced to pay both blood and money to a master who wielded the promise of "protection" from the barbaric hordes and "law and order" out of a savage land....
Who then immediately sent off to Africa for their "You too can be a slave-master" kit.
McCain is a Republican and although as an individual a "person" there are differences between the George Bush moron and he, the essential willingness to dominate every nation and every person on earth is a strong in this mans mind as it has been in every American president of the past hundred years. A presidency that has demonstrated its preparedness to forego "The rule of Law" when that suited their purposes, a Presidency that favors the wealthy and the influential before it stands by it's committment to the citizens who build that nation.
No difference of any kind when it comes to the "institutional" John McCain and the institutional George Walker Bush.
Window dressing at best.
Simple minded BS.
McCain sacrificed a lot in service to his country..........do you know what he did as a captive in Vietnam? He is a hero, and I don't use that term lightly. He has proven he has the character of a leader.
Bush never did anything that cost him anything.
McCain, when he was promoting the "surge" in Iraq, was questioned closely about the damage he was doing to his chances of winning the nomination.......as the idea was vastly unpopular. McCain said "I'd rather lose an election than lose a war."
Principle over personal power? An odd politician indeed.
To say nothing of principle over release from captivity and torture.
McCain the man.
BTW, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.
Poor ITN, after ten thousand posts he has yet to break into the reality dimension. He seems hopelessly lost in the realm of American mythology where milk and honey run from fountains surrounded by gleaming courtyards cobbled with gold bricks and the whitehouse and wallstreet have a saintly glow imparted by inherant wholesomeness and moral superiority the spontaneous
birthright of every right thinking real American American. It's what prevents the world from flying of it's axis. Where would we be without that last bastion of freedom?
birthright of every right thinking real American American. It's what prevents the world from flying of it's axis. Where would we be without that last bastion of freedom?
Colpy
McCain was a hero based on his behavior and service record to his nation. A nation involved in a corrupt war in Southeast Asia ...for all the wrong reasons! If rational minds had been at the helm there would have been a far different outcome to that little party in the bush and it's likely that John McCain would have been nothing more than another name on a black wall in Washington or a recovering prisoner of war....abused and neglected by his nation....as were so many others.
McCain the Man has principles and values, and McCain the Man isn't the man who would be president if elected. The president has a duty that transends the values and principles of the individual and individual interests. Surviving in a jungle or a prisoner of war compound speaks to the facility and skills of the individual but you can bet your bottom dollar that John McCain find no hypocrisy in the CIA holding prisoners in secret locations all over the world.
Broaden your focus Colpy you're becoming narrow sighted and tunnel visioned.
McCain was a hero based on his behavior and service record to his nation. A nation involved in a corrupt war in Southeast Asia ...for all the wrong reasons! If rational minds had been at the helm there would have been a far different outcome to that little party in the bush and it's likely that John McCain would have been nothing more than another name on a black wall in Washington or a recovering prisoner of war....abused and neglected by his nation....as were so many others.
McCain the Man has principles and values, and McCain the Man isn't the man who would be president if elected. The president has a duty that transends the values and principles of the individual and individual interests. Surviving in a jungle or a prisoner of war compound speaks to the facility and skills of the individual but you can bet your bottom dollar that John McCain find no hypocrisy in the CIA holding prisoners in secret locations all over the world.
Broaden your focus Colpy you're becoming narrow sighted and tunnel visioned.
Never have I thought that, nor have I ever said that.
Correct me if I''m wrong here MikeyDB, but isn't it you that just about hates everybody west of the Middle East? I Think So.
I've seen McCain hack pretty hard on Bush and criticize his politics. Pre-campaign McCain was very vociferous against GWB, and against the war. Yeah, he kind of seems to have muzzled up a bit since deciding to run, but, I've seen him talk badly about Bush.
It's so pleasant here at Canadian Content.....
What Colpy doesn't like or agree with...or understand... he stamps as BS.....then graciously adds the insult of "simpleminded" to color the dismissal.
ITN throws around the "MikeyDB hates everything" with flourish and aplomb nicely avoiding the fact that everything I've stated as opinion in these forums is based on fact.
Colpy's position is clear, he loves Israel and can't believe everyone doesn't, can find no evidence of anything done by those wonderful folk that might deserve criticism and clutches John McCain to his bosom as the "war-hero" destined for greatness....regardless of anyone's perspective or opinion.
There must be a club out there that ITN and Colpy could find comfort and support in joining.... Oh yeah it's called the "conservative" club. Where mistakes are ignored denied and facts dismissed when inconvenient to the "end" of proving their always right in their views opinions and positions on everything they care to comment on. The capitalist and the conservative...no doubt their both very pleased with the world they've created.
What Colpy doesn't like or agree with...or understand... he stamps as BS.....then graciously adds the insult of "simpleminded" to color the dismissal.
ITN throws around the "MikeyDB hates everything" with flourish and aplomb nicely avoiding the fact that everything I've stated as opinion in these forums is based on fact.
Colpy's position is clear, he loves Israel and can't believe everyone doesn't, can find no evidence of anything done by those wonderful folk that might deserve criticism and clutches John McCain to his bosom as the "war-hero" destined for greatness....regardless of anyone's perspective or opinion.
There must be a club out there that ITN and Colpy could find comfort and support in joining.... Oh yeah it's called the "conservative" club. Where mistakes are ignored denied and facts dismissed when inconvenient to the "end" of proving their always right in their views opinions and positions on everything they care to comment on. The capitalist and the conservative...no doubt their both very pleased with the world they've created.
If I were a u.s. citizen I would vote democrat before and now as well, as their policies
are the same now as they were when they started campaigning. The media have blown
and hyped all the gossip and trash, and the candidates push along, with their policies, which are quite similar to each other, and that 'has not changed', obama has not changed,
no one is cannibalizing anyone, they have debated and have tried to one upa each other,
which is normal for a campaign. They are just trying to win their campaign by getting
the most votes, what do you suggest they do, but continue trying to convince the public
to vote for them. The 'so called' cannibalism, as you call it, is done by the MEDIA, not the
candidates. If they changed their minds on policy back and forth, I could understand,
but they haven't, we know what they want to do, regards, war, education, health care, etc, as compared to the republicans, they are very consistent in that regard.
There was a vote done in GUAM yesterday, and obama defeated clinten by 7 votes, the
electorate is very split with these two candidates, so that is why it is dragging on, its a
democracy folks, people are saying who they want, and it is VERY CLOSE, so it will have
to continue till one is the obvious winner. THATS DEMOCRACY.
A complete 360? Start walking a line...do a 360...you will find you are walking in the same line you were walking before.
I'm more intrigued to take a chance on Barak Obama.
I hope his listening skills will gain a wide circle to advise him.
Then after that, I hope his character is strong enough.
I hope his listening skills will gain a wide circle to advise him.
Then after that, I hope his character is strong enough.
Jimmoyer
Do you have any sense that Barak Obama simply "presents" well...? It's no major feat of oratory or finely honed sense of the cult of personality to look good beside George Bush, and my concern is that people may be voting for (as we all do in Canada) the "lesser of two evils".... Do you feel up to perhaps drawing a comparison based on past performance between Obama and McCain...?
Do you have any sense that Barak Obama simply "presents" well...? It's no major feat of oratory or finely honed sense of the cult of personality to look good beside George Bush, and my concern is that people may be voting for (as we all do in Canada) the "lesser of two evils".... Do you feel up to perhaps drawing a comparison based on past performance between Obama and McCain...?
I have one huge misgiving on McCain. His temper.
That sort of temper can put a chill on free speech inside the oval office.
He would have to work hard to ensure his circle feels safe to present unpalatable issues to him.
Other than that, this guy is a giant in many ways. I've respected him for years.
And I wanted him to beat Bush in 2000.
Obama will make many mistakes if he doesn't use his greatest attributes: his open mind, his willingness to change the psychic landscape, and his ability to listen.
But more than this discussion of Kings and Queens, I prefer the people take on more burdens, more self introspection, more challenge. Real change comes from the ground up.
Socrates said Know thyself. We should start a national conversation on challenging ourselves more than we demand of our leaders.
That sort of temper can put a chill on free speech inside the oval office.
He would have to work hard to ensure his circle feels safe to present unpalatable issues to him.
Other than that, this guy is a giant in many ways. I've respected him for years.
And I wanted him to beat Bush in 2000.
Obama will make many mistakes if he doesn't use his greatest attributes: his open mind, his willingness to change the psychic landscape, and his ability to listen.
But more than this discussion of Kings and Queens, I prefer the people take on more burdens, more self introspection, more challenge. Real change comes from the ground up.
Socrates said Know thyself. We should start a national conversation on challenging ourselves more than we demand of our leaders.