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Ron in Regina

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In this current mad moment in Canadian politics, when the nation’s global warming synod (the high priest being the most frequent flyer in the country, Justin Trudeau) is handing out billions of dollars from an exhausted treasury to carmakers if they locate in Ontario, Moe has most sensibly held up a “hold on!” sign. Very daring, Mr. Premier.

Here is Moe’s admirably forthright response to the forced dream and embraced folly of net zero, specifically the Trudeau government’s dictum that electrical grids be net zero by 2035:

“I want to be very clear about this. In Saskatchewan, we will not attempt the impossible when it comes to power production in our province. We will not risk plunging our homes, our schools, our hospitals, our special care homes, our businesses into the cold and darkness because of the ideological whims of others. We will not increase power costs for our businesses and for our families to the point they become completely unaffordable. If we were to do that, we wouldn’t grow anything in Saskatchewan. We wouldn’t move anything. We wouldn’t go anywhere. And we’d get awful cold in a hurry. Saskatchewan must have affordable and reliable electricity available on demand.”

“And under our watch it most certainly is going to (have a secure energy supply). We are choosing the Saskatchewan plan. And now I would say that the federal government has a choice as well. And let’s hope they make the right one.”

The premier’s defiance contains an element not sufficiently kept in mind in present day Canada — that this is a federation, a combine of federal and provincial powers and jurisdictions. It might not suit a prime minister on a state visit to South Korea, preaching EV subsidies and future Newfoundland hydrogen plants, to hear these words from a premier in his own country, but the idea of a federation is that its constituents — the provinces — not only have jurisdictional powers, but — here’s the real shock — different concerns and ideas from those of imperialist Ottawa.
 
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Net zero is a great idea, and government action is an essential part of all industrial enterprise. "Anyone who says differently is selling something." --Westley, The Princess Bride

Humans would argue (and kill each other) over the Faber College motto "Knowledge is Good."
 

Ron in Regina

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Net Zero is a great concept. Living through a Prairie Winter in a mid-continental climate a long ways from any large bodies of water to moderate temperatures (or provide excess hydroelectricity), above the 49th parallel, is a reality.

Saskatchewan usually has at least 30 days per year with wind chills below -30 C and at least 10 days with wind chills below -40 C every year. We usually have one day every year when wind chills are below -50 C.

The idea of relying on predominately wind & solar power, in a Canadian winter, knowing that eventually, it’s gonna be dark and still and -40°C, etc…is not something I would look forward to. Some kind of reliable base-load like natural gas or nuclear or coal or whatever is a necessary reality.

We’re also a population of just over 1 million people (1.2?) spread out over an area the size of Texas. Travel is a way of life and a reality of living here. Electric cars are great in theory also, and have acceleration like little else beyond the space shuttle, but they don’t go far in cold weather when they need to use their own power to keep the batteries warm…and that’s a scary thought all by itself.
 

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Net Zero is a great concept. Living through a Prairie Winter in a mid-continental climate a long ways from any large bodies of water to moderate temperatures (or provide excess hydroelectricity), above the 49th parallel, is a reality.

Saskatchewan usually has at least 30 days per year with wind chills below -30 C and at least 10 days with wind chills below -40 C every year. We usually have one day every year when wind chills are below -50 C.

The idea of relying on predominately wind & solar power, in a Canadian winter, knowing that eventually, it’s gonna be dark and still and -40°C, etc…is not something I would look forward to. Some kind of reliable base-load like natural gas or nuclear or coal or whatever is a necessary reality.

We’re also a population of just over 1 million people (1.2?) spread out over an area the size of Texas. Travel is a way of life and a reality of living here. Electric cars are great in theory also, and have acceleration like little else beyond the space shuttle, but they don’t go far in cold weather when they need to use their own power to keep the batteries warm…and that’s a scary thought all by itself.
Engineering, man. Don't bother me.
 

Ron in Regina

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Engineering, man. Don't bother me.
Excuse me? If you were talking about engineering solutions or inventions or technologies, that just don’t exist yet, to solve problems in the next 12 years (2035 - 2023) to meet the Federal Green Agenda of NetZero, I’m hopeful that something (or many somethings) come down the pipe and become affordable and become widespread enough in that timeframe, then cool. Hope for the best but plan for the worst, etc…

I’ve personally been involved in the research & design end of engineering using existing technologies in novel ways to achieve a goal from the R&D end. Yes it’s Trucking as that’s a big part of my background, but it’s real & we pulled it off.

There’s only three of these on the planet, & we own two of them, & the third one we worked with a friend of ours using our designs so that he could build one also:
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Something like this doesn’t come off the shelf like this OEM from the manufacturer, and it takes a whole Lotta research into every minuscule law for every backwater jurisdiction that you might cross….& it’s completely legal everywhere in North America. We also designed another version of the above that is legal in every jurisdiction EXCEPT BC, but costs significantly less to build.
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The first one we built was a “Sterling” (that manufactured doesn’t even exist anymore) as that’s the only manufacture we could convince to build us a rolling chassis with the wheelbase we required to get started, as this is a game of inches in a highly competitive market.
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…& this is a competitor trying to duplicate what we’ve done on a budget without the level of research we invested:
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Without the time and resources, if pushed to rush by an arbitrary date of 2035 we’ll end up with the “School Bus” version of a solution above which is potentially worse than having done nothing at all. I’m highly doubtful the School Bus is going to get a million+ kms out of a single rolling chassis with anything close to the efficiency of our design…& will have to be replaced over and over and over and over and over…& that’s great for the environmental goal that this is all supposed to be about.

I get (I think) where you’re coming from in that somebody somewhere (or hopefully many somebody’s) will come up with all the engineering solutions to make everything fit together seamlessly because of market demands, etc…but what if…? Plan for the worse & hope for the best.
 

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Excuse me?
"No, I don't think I will."
--Al Pacino, Scent of a Woman
If you were talking about engineering solutions or inventions or technologies, that just don’t exist yet, to solve problems in the next 12 years (2035 - 2023) to meet the Federal Green Agenda of NetZero, I’m hopeful that something (or many somethings) come down the pipe and become affordable and become widespread enough in that timeframe, then cool.
I'm not hopeful, I'm certain.
Hope for the best but plan for the worst, etc…
In that case, we need to engineer for an infestation of politicians and their idiot supporters.

Thus far the only challenge engineers have proven unable to solve.
 

Ron in Regina

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My “Excuse me?” was me looking for clarification and thank you.

Engineering problems will get solved in time, but maybe not in the next 12 years affordably & to the degree of sophistication needed to transition, seamlessly (or realistically in that timeframe) from one technology to the next.

I think the solution in this part of our nation going to be nuclear (several small nuclear reactors, perhaps instead of one big one), and I know the concept exists, and the engineering portion of it could probably happen in a very short amount of time, but the regulatory and bureaucratic end of things could take decades….
 
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My “Excuse me?” was me looking for clarification and thank you.
My response was Al Pacino turning in a masterpiece. Couldn't pass it up.
Engineering problems will get solved in time, but maybe not in the next 12 years affordably & to the degree of sophistication needed to transition, seamlessly (or realistically in that timeframe) from one technology to the next.

I think the solution in this part of our nation going to be nuclear (several small nuclear reactors, perhaps instead of one big one), and I know the concept exists, and the engineering portion of it could probably happen in a very short amount of time, but the regulatory and bureaucratic end of things could take decades….
As I said in my "Engineers" thread: fast, cheap, good. Pick two.
 

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(regarding post#425, those long wheelbase trucks are like Cadillacs compared to Highway tractors being like Honda’s as far as the ride goes, BUT, as far as a design flaw goes, we have discovered that they do not do well in Portland or San Francisco on those hilly roads)
 

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Premier Scott Moe issued a challenge of sorts after the federal environment minister responded to Saskatchewan’s plan to decide for itself whether to use coal for power generation past 2030 and natural gas past 2035.

Federal Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said earlier this week that violating the 2018 coal regulations, which are through the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, would be against the law and, furthermore, a violation of the Criminal Code.

In response Thursday, Moe said “come get me.”

“If Justin Trudeau’s the prime minister and Minister Guilbeault is the environment minister on Jan. 1, (2030), they can come get me,” he said.

Moe said he’s standing up for the people of Saskatchewan and their access to affordable and reliable electricity, and he would hope this isn’t a country where that would be deemed illegal.
According to Moe, this situation is an opportunity for the federal government to work with the provinces.

“The first step the federal government has in putting their best foot forward in working with provinces … is to go back to the drawing board with their clean electricity standards, go back to the drawing board with their unrealistic net zero by 2035 target and start working with provinces on what is actually possible and actually working with those provinces on how they’re going to fund what’s possible,” he said.
 
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Premier Scott Moe issued a challenge of sorts after the federal environment minister responded to Saskatchewan’s plan to decide for itself whether to use coal for power generation past 2030 and natural gas past 2035.

Federal Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said earlier this week that violating the 2018 coal regulations, which are through the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, would be against the law and, furthermore, a violation of the Criminal Code.

In response Thursday, Moe said “come get me.”

“If Justin Trudeau’s the prime minister and Minister Guilbeault is the environment minister on Jan. 1, (2030), they can come get me,” he said.

Moe said he’s standing up for the people of Saskatchewan and their access to affordable and reliable electricity, and he would hope this isn’t a country where that would be deemed illegal.
According to Moe, this situation is an opportunity for the federal government to work with the provinces.

“The first step the federal government has in putting their best foot forward in working with provinces … is to go back to the drawing board with their clean electricity standards, go back to the drawing board with their unrealistic net zero by 2035 target and start working with provinces on what is actually possible and actually working with those provinces on how they’re going to fund what’s possible,” he said.
How do ND, MT and MN deal is the loss of gigawatts from SK? Where do NG "peak.power" stations fit in?
 
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Firewood. From their massive forests.
It grows back, so it’s renewable.
Saskatchewan has an abundance of forest resources. Approximately 288 000 km2 or 44 percent of the province is classified as forested land, of which 42 percent or 120 000 km2 is considered nonreserved, productive and available for timber management.

Saskatchewan’s forested land in area is about the size of the entire state of Arizona or Nevada or North Dakota.
1684598448308.pngWe have a few other options though.
 

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Excuse me? If you were talking about engineering solutions or inventions or technologies, that just don’t exist yet, to solve problems in the next 12 years (2035 - 2023) to meet the Federal Green Agenda of NetZero, I’m hopeful that something (or many somethings) come down the pipe and become affordable and become widespread enough in that timeframe, then cool. Hope for the best but plan for the worst, etc…

I’ve personally been involved in the research & design end of engineering using existing technologies in novel ways to achieve a goal from the R&D end. Yes it’s Trucking as that’s a big part of my background, but it’s real & we pulled it off.

There’s only three of these on the planet, & we own two of them, & the third one we worked with a friend of ours using our designs so that he could build one also:
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Something like this doesn’t come off the shelf like this OEM from the manufacturer, and it takes a whole Lotta research into every minuscule law for every backwater jurisdiction that you might cross….& it’s completely legal everywhere in North America. We also designed another version of the above that is legal in every jurisdiction EXCEPT BC, but costs significantly less to build.
View attachment 18244

The first one we built was a “Sterling” (that manufactured doesn’t even exist anymore) as that’s the only manufacture we could convince to build us a rolling chassis with the wheelbase we required to get started, as this is a game of inches in a highly competitive market.
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…& this is a competitor trying to duplicate what we’ve done on a budget without the level of research we invested:
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Without the time and resources, if pushed to rush by an arbitrary date of 2035 we’ll end up with the “School Bus” version of a solution above which is potentially worse than having done nothing at all. I’m highly doubtful the School Bus is going to get a million+ kms out of a single rolling chassis with anything close to the efficiency of our design…& will have to be replaced over and over and over and over and over…& that’s great for the environmental goal that this is all supposed to be about.

I get (I think) where you’re coming from in that somebody somewhere (or hopefully many somebody’s) will come up with all the engineering solutions to make everything fit together seamlessly because of market demands, etc…but what if…? Plan for the worse & hope for the best.
Nice setup. Without doing a bunch of research, I suspect the reason BC won't all that unit is because of our over abundance of inadequately built, and poorly maintained roads. The road to Pt.Alice has a special length restriction on it because it is so narrow and windy. It is physically impossible to keep a 40 ft trailer in your own lane all the way.WHen I lived in Pt. Hardy 70s early 90s, the drivers license testers refused to go to Pt. Alice to do licences because of the road. Made people come to Pt. Hardy to do their road test. WE all said if they make the drive a tester is too afraid to do, they should automatically pass.
 

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It grows back, so it’s renewable.
Saskatchewan has an abundance of forest resources. Approximately 288 000 km2 or 44 percent of the province is classified as forested land, of which 42 percent or 120 000 km2 is considered nonreserved, productive and available for timber management.

Saskatchewan’s forested land in area is about the size of the entire state of Arizona or Nevada or North Dakota.
View attachment 18254We have a few other options though.
 

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Nice setup. Without doing a bunch of research, I suspect the reason BC won't all that unit is because of our over abundance of inadequately built, and poorly maintained roads. The road to Pt.Alice has a special length restriction on it because it is so narrow and windy. It is physically impossible to keep a 40 ft trailer in your own lane all the way.WHen I lived in Pt. Hardy 70s early 90s, the drivers license testers refused to go to Pt. Alice to do licences because of the road. Made people come to Pt. Hardy to do their road test. WE all said if they make the drive a tester is too afraid to do, they should automatically pass.
But you can bite a carrot , what more should you want ?
 
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Nice setup. Without doing a bunch of research, I suspect the reason BC won't all that unit is because of our over abundance of inadequately built, and poorly maintained roads. The road to Pt.Alice has a special length restriction on it because it is so narrow and windy. It is physically impossible to keep a 40 ft trailer in your own lane all the way.WHen I lived in Pt. Hardy 70s early 90s, the drivers license testers refused to go to Pt. Alice to do licences because of the road. Made people come to Pt. Hardy to do their road test. WE all said if they make the drive a tester is too afraid to do, they should automatically pass.
BC has a dimension that nobody else in North America cares about called “Hitch Offset” due to their ‘unique’ geography which is somehow more ‘unique’ than western Alberta or Montana or Idaho or Washington State or Oregon.

Hitch Offset is what Effective Overhang turns into once a trailer is attached to a truck or tractor, & for BC it can’t exceed 1.8m….so the BC legal Load&Tow has a wheelbase of almost 400”.

(2.3M for Tri-Axle, but 1.8M for anything else)

So for BC this is legal:
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…& this is not legal:
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….but both are legal everywhere else in Canada or the USA.

Ironically, New Zealand (think Lord of the Rings Geography) had a Minimum of 3.2M for Hitch-Offset due to their unique geography until recently…as there was noise that they’re looking at changing that recently. Its logic was diametrically opposed to that of BC. Oh well…
 
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BC has a dimension that nobody else in North America cares about called “Hitch Offset” due to their ‘unique’ geography which is somehow more ‘unique’ than western Alberta or Montana or Idaho or Washington State or Oregon.

Hitch Offset is what Effective Overhang turns into once a trailer is attached to a truck or tractor, & for BC it can’t exceed 1.8m….so the BC legal Load&Tow has a wheelbase of almost 400”.

(2.3M for Tri-Axle, but 1.8M for anything else)

So for BC this is legal:
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…& this is not legal:
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….but both are legal everywhere else in Canada or the USA.

Ironically, New Zealand (think Lord of the Rings Geography) had a Minimum of 3.2M for Hitch-Offset due to their unique geography until recently…as there was noise that they’re looking at changing that recently. Its logic was diametrically opposed to that of BC. Oh well…
I forgot about the hitch offset. I just aim them between the ditches, as long as it has a CVI, I'm good. I'm either truck and pup, 5th wheel or log anyway.
 
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What was Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault thinking when he threatened to use the Criminal Code to force Saskatchewan to eliminate all greenhouse gas emissions from its use of coal-fired electricity by the end of 2029?

In response to Saskatchewan’s plan to use coal-fired electricity beyond that date, announced last week, Guilbeault said: “We’ve regulated the ban on coal through CEPA (the Canadian Environmental Protection Act) which is a criminal tool that the federal government has. So not complying with this regulation would be a violation of Canada’s Criminal Code.”
The Trudeau government wants Canada’s electricity sector to achieve “net zero” emissions by 2035.

The 94-year-old public electrical utility doesn’t have enough viable alternatives to replace 3,534 megawatts — the 65 per cent of its annual 5,437 megawatts that comes from natural gas (40 per cent) and coal (25 per cent).

In short, it CAN’T cost-effectively or practically achieve net zero in the federal government’s 2035 timeframe.

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe shot back that Guilbeault can “come get me,” describing the federal plan as “ideological,” “unrealistic” and “unaffordable,” adding it would also endanger the reliability of the province’s electricity grid.

Guilbeault’s threat to use the Criminal Code to enforce the federal target on Saskatchewan is utterly bizarre, given that Canada already has one of the cleanest electricity generation systems in the world.

For the record, Moe’s entire response was: “If where we’ve come to in this country is when individuals in this province, or any other province, they flick their lights on or their furnace fan kicks in and that’s deemed illegal and cause for someone to go to jail, come get me.”

His answer worked on two levels: the short-form “come get me” was filet mignon tossed to his red-meat loving base. The long-form answer — the one he would post on his own promotional social media feeds — was actually an effective, high-road political response to what most would view as Guilbeault’s nonsense.
 
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