any muslim here

[Finder]

Re: RE: any muslim here

I'm a revert (convert) to Islam. I believe that God guided me to Islam.

Really, so Allah called you up? Or was he like one of those scientologist on the corner of Yonge, handing out panphlets and doing stress tests?

 

[thulin]

Re: RE: any muslim here

"When the blind lead the blind, they both fall in the ditch."

:lol: You´r on to something here! :lol:

 

[Machjo]

I'm not a Muslim, but I have the utmost respect for that Faith. lt's put it this way; I'd have no qualms if my kid came home one day with a Qur'an and a few books of ahadith to read. As long as it is his choice.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: any muslim here

I'm not a Muslim, but I have the utmost respect for that Faith. lt's put it this way; I'd have no qualms if my kid came home one day with a Qur'an and a few books of ahadith to read. As long as it is his choice.

I like the religion... or at least some aspects of it. I just don't like many of the governments, established leaders nor the ignorance of many of the followers towards there own religion. But you can say the same thing about almost any religion this day. I think almost all of them the simple solution is to removed the whole "orginisation" and focus on the individual. I guess I'm a little too much of a Deist.

 

[NSA]

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I'm a Christian in basically name, lol; as for the more "technical" practices of the religion, I decided to cease going to Church when my pastor pulled me into his office to kindly inform me that I was no longer welcome to his Church, seeing as how I was, as he put it, "a fag damned to Hell."

I'd have clocked him... I mean, if you're going to hell anyway, why not enjoy a good priest-beating before you go?

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: any muslim here

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I'm a Christian in basically name, lol; as for the more "technical" practices of the religion, I decided to cease going to Church when my pastor pulled me into his office to kindly inform me that I was no longer welcome to his Church, seeing as how I was, as he put it, "a fag damned to Hell."

I'd have clocked him... I mean, if you're going to hell anyway, why not enjoy a good priest-beating before you go?

I know someone who beat up a nun in when she was in private catholic school. I don't think you should though because she ended up going to jail (as a young offender).

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: any muslim here

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I'm a Christian in basically name, lol; as for the more "technical" practices of the religion, I decided to cease going to Church when my pastor pulled me into his office to kindly inform me that I was no longer welcome to his Church, seeing as how I was, as he put it, "a fag damned to Hell."

That is entirely outrageous.

Even if your pastor considered homosexual acts to be sin, his attitude should be "love the sinner, hate the sin".

It is a shame, more than a shame, when a man of the cloth can not get by his personal bias to minister to everybody.

Terrible.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Re: RE: any muslim here

I'd have clocked him... I mean, if you're going to hell anyway, why not enjoy a good priest-beating before you go?

So would I. If you're already damned, nothing you can do in this life could possibly make your afterlife worse. What are they gonna do, condemn you for eternity plus two weeks?

That's an appalling attitude from a supposed Christian Minister of God. I'm not a believer in any of this stuff, but the essence of Christ's message seems pretty clear and sensible to me. It's about charity, compassion, forgiveness, kindness, do unto others, etc., all the virtues every faith gives at least lip service to, though I've never encountered one that doesn't fail pretty badly at implementing them in the real world. Their fundamental morality seems pretty much self-evident to me, they're sensible and reasonable rules for creating a sane and civilized society. But it's a long step from such idealism to the way the world actually works, and both Christianity and Islam seem to me to be organized in a way designed mostly to protect their secular interests.

But I remain hopeful that humanity will come to its senses, recognize that all the great religious teachers were on to something important, but it's been corrupted and twisted in the interests of power. Religion at its best speaks to all that is most noble and decent in human nature, which to me is the sole justification for its existence and the only reason to give it any respect.

Hmmm... I do tend to rant a bit on this topic...

 

[zoofer]

I'm a Christian. Thanks to God.

I like your avatar Farasha.

 

[Machjo]

I'm a Christian. Thanks to God.

I like your avatar Farasha.

Good point.

Farasha never specified his/her faith. But if you're a Muslim, or intend to dialogue with them, you might have more success if you change the avatar, Farasha :wink:

 

[Machjo]

Re: RE: any muslim here

I'm a revert (convert) to Islam. I believe that God guided me to Islam.

I almost adopted Islam once. I was irreligious at the time, but it was the first time in my life that I'd heard say that Muslims believe in Jesus, in Grade twelve history in high school when we were studying modern Israel. It was such a shock to me that I'd decided to go to the school library to read the Qur'an. Some of the social laws seemed outdated, and that's what kept me from adopting the faith, but I could only agree with the spiritual laws of it. It had certainly made me think more about religion after that. I'd also found the laws of the Qur'an, while perhaps outdated, tobe more progressive than those of the Gospel.

Actually, the same thing kept me away from Christianity. I could'nt disagree at all with the spiritual laws. But again, some of the social laws seemed a little outdated.

But all in all, I'd have no issue if my child should decide to study either of those religions.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: any muslim here

I'm a revert (convert) to Islam. I believe that God guided me to Islam.

I almost adopted Islam once. I was irreligious at the time, but it was the first time in my life that I'd heard say that Muslims believe in Jesus, in Grade twelve history in high school when we were studying modern Israel. It was such a shock to me that I'd decided to go to the school library to read the Qur'an. Some of the social laws seemed outdated, and that's what kept me from adopting the faith, but I could only agree with the spiritual laws of it. It had certainly made me think more about religion after that. I'd also found the laws of the Qur'an, while perhaps outdated, tobe more progressive than those of the Gospel.

Actually, the same thing kept me away from Christianity. I could'nt disagree at all with the spiritual laws. But again, some of the social laws seemed a little outdated.

But all in all, I'd have no issue if my child should decide to study either of those religions.

Yeah same here. I like the contest they have put religous figures in the Koran. But I could not fully convert. Because of the same thing as you. I think in the end chosing to be more or less a deist, was the best choice. hey all the great thinkers of the 15th-19th century were deists. =-D

 

[farasha1118]

I'm a Christian. Thanks to God.

I like your avatar Farasha.

thank u

 

[Finder]

I'm a Christian. Thanks to God.

I like your avatar Farasha.

thank u

yeah it's pretty sexy and exotic.

 

[Ali Mahdi]

The social laws of Islam are to protect society. I don't understand how they are "outdated." They make perfect sense to me!

 

[FiveParadox]

Islamic Law

I would think, Ali Mahdi, that such an assertion would be due to the unrefuted fact that there are certain provisions of Islamic law that would violate the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and, therefore, could not in good conscience be implemented in our modern Canadian society.

No offense to the Islamic faith intended, of course.

 

[TenPenny]

I'm glad to see some rational discourse here; it's interesting that three major religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) share common ground (literally), and a lot of common things, but have such problems co-existing. It shouldn't be that hard, if we'd all use more respect and restraint.

When you boil it down, those three religions are variations on a common theme, and there is no reason in the world they should have such problems with each other.

 

[Ali Mahdi]

I don't expect Islamic law to be applied in Canada, because most of the population is not Muslim. In my opinion, Islamic law shouldn't (and wouldn't anyways) be applied where Muslims are a minority, for obvious reasons.
And I understand what you mean and I take no offence.

By the way, Islamic law isn't what you saw in Afghanistan with the Taalebaan. These "Wahhabi" extremists don't represent Islam.

 

[FiveParadox]

Islamic Extremism

Ali Mahdi, I know quite well that extremist Islam is in no way representative of the true faith; one of my very dearest friends is Muslim — he and his parents choose to pursue a more moderate, and "modern," if you will, interpretation of the faith (that is, the Islamic faith, "adapted" if you will so that there is more equality, and more in line with the Charter).

 

[TenPenny]

Re: RE: any muslim here

I don't expect Islamic law to be applied in Canada, because most of the population is not Muslim. In my opinion, Islamic law shouldn't (and wouldn't anyways) be applied where Muslims are a minority, for obvious reasons.
And I understand what you mean and I take no offence.

By the way, Islamic law isn't what you saw in Afghanistan with the Taalebaan. These "Wahhabi" extremists don't represent Islam.

Speaking of Afghanistan and the Taliban, I just finished "The Kite Runner", a wonderful novel, which has some interesting observations about the Taliban thrown in.