Anti-Canadianism and more.....

[gnuman]

Yes the news is always one sided, unfortunately its always propaganda, mainly when watching american news its all for their better picture and entertainment.

Good thing Canada never brags because we sent $100M in aid today to Iraq, I guess CNN forgot to pick that one up on their ticker at the bottom.

For example of bias, when they reported that in NYC there was 200000 people demonstratiing against the war and it made CNN, and other anti-war demonstrations. 200K out of a population of 30 million is a small amount, while in Montreal that same day as the NYC protests, 200000 people showed up for anti-war demonstration out of a population of oh I'd say 8 million.

Anywho back to the real topic, the US is being self-centered again by saying anti-Americanism in the world, but they won't report people in the news who are boycotting countries who didn't support the US.

Here's an example of boycotting anti-war countries:
http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,58190,00.html

What does that show you? People are ignorant because we had a mind of our own and decided not to join this illegal war.

Want more proof? I wonder if McDonalds in the States would say would you like Freedom Fries with that? Yes FREEDOM FRIES! Becuase they want to boycott France for vetoing the war.

There are pretty ignorant and stupid people out there and this prooves my point

http://www.giveitback.net

I mean if it wasn't for other nations people would even be poorer than they are today.

A nation that cannot help itself surely can't help others.

 

[Andem]

Oh man.. You'll never get away from the Americans hating so-and-so here and another so-and-so there....Even going as far as hating other countries for stupid reasons. Another display of Americans being oh so true hypocrits. Always going on about holier than thou because we're not racist type of bull$hit.

Try a few minutes on #war in undernet and the second they find you're Canadian, you'll get millions of pms and attacks in the public channel from americans of all sorts.

They can go screw themselves. They're no better than anyone else... And to the people of undernet who said "We'll take the sandniggers oil when we're through with them" (this is a quote), I say "You Americans are clueless. You will see no oil and you people wont benefit in the slightest if America gains from this war. The corporate giants will benefit and hold even more monopolies throughout the world" --- That shut them up for a while, and not one of them had any response.

A very slim minority of americans who support this war really know who's winning in the end, and that's the capitalist corporations who frequently use the word "globalization".

 

[Twila]

Globalization: Translation: Americanization.

any of you seen the new Matthew Good video? Shows the world being covered by the american flag. Many americans emailed him to complain. How can you complain about something that's happening?

 

[Cyberm4n]

Anti-American? What about anti-Canadianism?


DIMITRY ANASTAKIS

The recent criticism by some in the Canadian government of the U.S. administration and its policy toward Iraq has sent the usual suspects scurrying to denounce "rampant anti-Americanism" in Canada.

What is obscured by this frenzy of condemnation of anti-Americanism is that there is a very vocal minority in this country who are so pro-American, so enamoured by the current U.S. administration, that they have essentially become anti-Canadians. Any criticism directed toward U.S. policy is seen as the highest betrayal of their usually right-wing, pro-U.S. ideals.

In fact, criticism of Canada has been so consistent and pointed by certain elements in this country that what might be termed a loose anti-Canadian party has emerged. The anti-Canadian party has its own newspapers, its own spokespeople, even its own party in the House of Commons.

The anti-Canadians simply don't like Canada because it is so unlike the U.S. in so many ways and lament the fact that we are not in lockstep with the U.S. on all aspects of our foreign and domestic policies.

Any Canadian policy that deviates even slightly from the American model comes under attack. Universal health care? Privatize it. Gun control? Trash it. Kyoto? We can't implement it if the U.S. hasn't.

When it comes to the war on terrorism, Canadians may be on the front lines in Afghanistan, but the anti-Canadians are ashamed and mortified by Canada's unwillingness to join George Bush's invasion of Iraq. In the U.S. during times of crisis, politicians of all stripes rally around the president. In Canada, the anti-Canadians rally around the president, too.

Alliance Leader Stephen Harper describes Jean Chrétien's stance as "gutless, embarrassing and cowardly," while Alberta Premier Ralph Klein writes to the U.S. ambassador to Canada, saying that "the president and your nation have exemplified leadership. This leadership has earned the deepest respect of many, many Albertans."

The anti-Canadians are always looking for the worst, celebrating Canada's failures, whether real or perceived. The National Post, the most virulent right-wing newspaper in Canadian history, is rife with anti-Canadianism. The paper's editorial policy has been described as "Canada sucks," never missing a chance to point out its "inadequacies."

They see the "brain drain" not as a worldwide phenomenon (ask India about the impact of losing their best people to America), but solely as evidence of Canada's undesirability versus the U.S.

Try as it might, the Post's search for a Canadian link to the 9/11 terrorist attacks did not yield any results.

Harper and his party are another bastion of anti-Canadianism.

Their toadyism toward America is only barely outmatched by their disdain for Canada.

Remember, Harper is a "national" leader who once said that "Canada appears content to become a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second-rate status ..."

A recent Ipsos-Reid poll shows that Alliance supporters are five times more likely to agree that Canada "should become more like the United States" than the average Canadian.

There is nothing wrong with admiring another nation and its achievements. There are many great and wonderful things about America that all Canadians should appreciate and celebrate.

But in their rush to defend another country, a few Canadians have sadly become the very thing they condemn — shrill and unfair critics of a great nation.

 

[gnuman]

There is a simple reason for this and its called ignorance.

Its very simple, they just argue and think a higher level of authority is always right, and makes decisions for its people.

Bush is no better than Saddam, although Bush doesn't attack his people directly, but he puts the army in front of education, healthcare and social welfare. Saddam on the other hand kills people through the army, but has free education, healthcare I can't comment on and also people who are struggling with food, but I would assume not as bad as in America (compared to the homelessness and people who can't get welfare)

Both are Tyrants, and well Bush does what he thinks is best for his ego, and so does Saddam.

I think Saddam and Bush are twins separated at birth by some "miracle" pregnancy heh.

Hey we did send 2 naval ships what has the other 46 countries have done? NOTHING. Why should we bow down to our neighbours?

There is no threat to Canada, we are like Switzerland, we're neutral, we care about the well being of our people and try to help out as much as we could to make our lives better, while down south, its security,I don't see from what but I guess like in Bowling for Colombine, they are a scared nation and that's all.

 

[Twila]

Guman, you hit the nail squarley on the head. They are a scared nation. And they've every right to be so.

What other country has had it's hands bloodied so often? What other country has conspired and murdered other freely elected politicians in foreign countries?

Osama bin Laden was trained by them. He'd have still been their lackey if it wasn't for 1 incident:

http://www.deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htm

Suddam was also their lackey. He was instlled by them. It wasn't until Kuwait that the US found any fault with him or his dictorial tactics. Thanks to April Glaspey, who told Suddam, in person, that the US had no problems with him going in to kuwait to get back his oil.

Rwandan massacre? US asked UN to pull out:
On April 21, 1994, the United Nations Security Council, at the behest of the United States—which had no troops in Rwanda—Belgium, and others, voted to withdraw all but a remnant of UNAMIR.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB53/

Then there was Chilian fiasco that saw the US install Pinochet
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20000919/

Sadly, I could go on and on. I don't think there is a country on this planet that hasn't felt the hands of uncle sam on their shoulder.

Look at the countries who are part of the "coalition of the willing"
They all require something from the US. Look at the countries who aren't part of the willing. They don't require handouts and haven't been blackmailed into helping.

I'm not anti-american, I'm anti-american gov't.

 

[jamie]

You are an ass. Americans do more for other countries than most. Look whose fitting the biggest bill for aids in Africa!! It ain't France, Germany or Canada. People are alway bitching about something. First you fools complain that we aren't doing enogh for the international community, then you bitch when we do.
Maybe we should tell the world to fuck off, stop hepling the financially and keep the money for ourselves.


If we did think we were better than others...that is exactly what we would tell the world to do. Pull your head out of you ass.

Canadians should be more concerned than they are. They are no better than Americans (althogh to ask you people, I think you'd answer differently- which brings me to point out how funny it is that so many countries/people that are constantly saying that Americans think they are better than everyone else- these are some of the snottiest, self-centered human beings on earth.)You weaken your country by allowing anyone into it. Allowing good decent people into your counrty is different than allowing anybody. You are too blind to see that the hard core terrorists don't view you any differently than they did the innocent American, English, Canadian men, women & kids that they killed on the Americans land. They see you as infidels also. We may have a some-what biased media...but look at the thorn in your own eye before you point out one in someone elses.

 

[peapod]

You weaken your country by allowing anyone into it. Allowing good decent people into your counrty is different than allowing anybody

You know I happen to know few people that were allowed into this country, but nobody told me they were not decent. Thanks for the tip, I am glad I know this now.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Anti-Canadianism and

Jamie..I never bothered reading your entire post. Sorry. I've heard the screed before, you see. Hell, I've been through more documents than Kofi Annan and pissed off more people than Jim Morrison and Arlo Guthrie combined.

You wanna know about AIDS in Africa? Talk to Stephen Lewis, not some worthless bastard that thinks condoms are a sin and dead people must be sinners. Better yet, look at the numbers and the programs. Then tell your president to quit killing people because of his religious beliefs.

My head is firmly implanted in reality, James, m'boy. It's not a happy place for my head to be, but it seems drawn there. I'm not sure where your head feels comfortable, but the phrase "Up Dick Cheney's unwashed and constipated asshole," comes to mind.

Tell me I'm wrong, l'il Jimmy. Prove it.

 

[peapod]

Jim morrison and arlo guthrie combined 8O impressive. :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Anti-Canadianism and

I was just going by my mailbox...seems I struck a nerve somewhere. Also...I'm not allowed on a certain far-right site anymore and they made all my posts disappear. Kind of funny since all I posted there were links.

 

[peapod]

ah..freedom of speech

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Anti-Canadianism and

I'm still waiting for l'il Jimmy to respond.

Oh well...

 

[Haggis McBagpipe]

Re: RE: Anti-Canadianism and

I'm still waiting for l'il Jimmy to respond.

Oh well...

Maybe he's pleading the fifth.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Anti-Canadianism and

I just want to be sure that he understands that he is allowed to practice freedom of speech here. Just because he's brutally wrong doesn't change that. :-D

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Americans do more for other countries than most. Look whose fitting the biggest bill for aids in Africa!!

Do you also have the numbers for the total foreign aid the USA spends? I'll line it out for you: in 1992, 22 nations - mostly the richest countries of the world, part of the OECD (Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development) - designed Agenda 21. One of the goals described in Agenda 21 was that the richest countries would spend at least 0.7% of their GNP (Gross National Product) to foreign aid. Now, the USA hasn't fulfilled that so far. Nor have 16 others. The only countries who have achieved this goal so far are Norway (0.92%), Denmark (0.84%), the Netherlands (0.81%), Luxembourg (0.80%) and Sweden (0.70%) (2003). Now, Canada hasn't achieved this either - they only spend 0.26% of their GNP on foreign aid, a very bad thing. Nor has the USA (as I pointed out) - they only spend 0.14% of their GNP on foreign aid. With that, they have the lowest score of all 22 countries who signed Agenda 21. Could as well be the US has a very good record on giving money to fight AIDS - a good thing. But, development is more than fighting AIDS. And from that point of view, the US is performing badly.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Anti-Canadianism and

You have to watch that GNP number in Canada...our governments have been known to use slight of hand to make it look like they are at least trying to meet their targets.

The number you give, Rick...0.26%, is essentially accurate. It might be a little high though. Our government has a tendency to get confused between aid and what are essentially trade initiatives.

 

[Isengard]

Maybe we should tell the world to *censored* off, stop hepling the financially and keep the money for ourselves.

You could also ask the Arab people to take back their 600 billion dollars invested in your economy and see how good you're doing.

Open your eyes, like any other country on this earth, you can't live by yourself. You need other countries as well as they need you.

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Well Reverend from that point of view, I don't think Canada is any exception ... I bet the Netherlands have secret agendas as well, and can as well presure the Worldbank to invest in those areas which can benefit the Dutch economy. But I know too little about the subject so far to make any conclusions.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Anti-Canadianism and

I'm not sure that Kofi Annan and Bono have both come to visit your government looking for help in the last little while though, Rick. Our Prime Minister used their visits for political advantage and our mainstream press never brought up the reality of the 0.26% thing at all.