Another six Canadian soldiers dead
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Actually yes it could, a Shaped charge would also be just as quick to bury, you just premake it and point it in the right way.
Shaped charge is just a way of using the explosives (you can use any kind) to penetrate armour, at the expense of the large kill radius a fragmenting explosive would cause with shrapnel. Variants can be made in this method which can give you a much longer kill radius.
Really, they aren't hard to plant.
Hi Dox; you just get back from Afghanistan?
Welcome home.
Welcome to CC.
You stupid phucker. I imagine there's a bunch of scared kids over there, trained though they are.
It's not a war, it's a Harper kiss up and he doesn't care how many of our boys he has to kill to curry favour with the US puppet.
Grow the f+ck up. Maybe this "war" will last long enough for you to send kids over. Harper sure as phuck won't be. George W won't be either.
Christ, you right wing neo-con dipsh1ts make me sick.
Great "war" as long as you don't have to go.
Dickhead
Ugg. (former soldier and trained killer) so don't give me the phucking patriot lecture you goddam fool.
N'UGG I hear ya man...And i feel foolish when i say lets increase the troops and totally take control of the entire region ..till at least these people come into the 21st century...I know armchair warriors are lame as hell...and really have no right to comment on this stuff like people that have served and I respect you for it....
but man this is like the plague growing over there...this stuff is going to be here sooner than we all think... I doubt if i were in britain writing this would i feel so apologetic....
but soldiers that volunteer do know what the chances are about....I say give em anything they want...hell i don't know if it was here or another forum, but recently the whole Tim"s and the cost to get it there came up....I don't effin care if costs 10 million to give em a piece of home over there ..go for it....
It's a hard thing to just say ...more troops finish the job...but i did...I'm scared man , our way of life is the best and i want ti round...
but man this is like the plague growing over there...this stuff is going to be here sooner than we all think... I doubt if i were in britain writing this would i feel so apologetic....
but soldiers that volunteer do know what the chances are about....I say give em anything they want...hell i don't know if it was here or another forum, but recently the whole Tim"s and the cost to get it there came up....I don't effin care if costs 10 million to give em a piece of home over there ..go for it....
It's a hard thing to just say ...more troops finish the job...but i did...I'm scared man , our way of life is the best and i want ti round...
Apology
I apologize for my rough language and name calling. Shouldn't be done. Sorry.
The enthusiasm some have for sending SOMEONE ELSE off to get killed however, does rankle.
N'Ugg.
I apologize for my rough language and name calling. Shouldn't be done. Sorry.
The enthusiasm some have for sending SOMEONE ELSE off to get killed however, does rankle.
N'Ugg.
Interesting how I merely refer a guy to a forum frequented by soldiers and you call me a neo-con. The fact of the matter is people who HAVE actually been there and seen what goes on there go to that forum and would probably have far more informative responses to comments about the mission than we've seen on this forum by people who haven't been there. (No, I haven't been there). If you want to throw another verbally abusive fit over this post, feel free to. I've been called worse names, and I've got broad shoulders :smile:
God Bless The Fallen Warriors
May the horror and ugliness of this never lay heavily upon the families of the slain - and that they will hold their beloved in honor and gratitude from those of us who have known only comfort and peace.
There is no honor in this war we are now engaged in - there is nothing 'religious' about it - only fanatic and barbaric acts with which we in the west are unfamiliar - we would have to learn from childhood how to behave in order to fight this combat on a level it is being waged against our beautiful and sacrificing men and women.
I will never forget what our military and their loved ones have given to us.. for the rest of my life.
I bow my hand in thanks and reverence - always.
Curio
Every goodbye is the birth of a memory. Dutch Proverb - Danjel Boot
May the horror and ugliness of this never lay heavily upon the families of the slain - and that they will hold their beloved in honor and gratitude from those of us who have known only comfort and peace.
There is no honor in this war we are now engaged in - there is nothing 'religious' about it - only fanatic and barbaric acts with which we in the west are unfamiliar - we would have to learn from childhood how to behave in order to fight this combat on a level it is being waged against our beautiful and sacrificing men and women.
I will never forget what our military and their loved ones have given to us.. for the rest of my life.
I bow my hand in thanks and reverence - always.
Curio
Every goodbye is the birth of a memory. Dutch Proverb - Danjel Boot
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Hey Dox, I am not gonna speak for 'Nug but I would have probably posted something due to your additiong of "smirking"- pretty much anyone being "smug" and/or "smirking" about this whole mess is an A-hole plain and simple, and I would have called such a gesture for what it was as well, I just would have been more careful about it 
Hey Dox, I am not gonna speak for 'Nug but I would have probably posted something due to your additiong of "smirking"- pretty much anyone being "smug" and/or "smirking" about this whole mess is an A-hole plain and simple, and I would have called such a gesture for what it was as well, I just would have been more careful about it
You're right, the 'smirk' was an A-hole thing to add, and I sincerely apologize to everyone who was offended by that. I want to be clear that I wasn't smirking at the situation in Afghanistan, but how I figure soldiers who had been there would respond to a guy telling them it's all about oil and pipelines. They go through hell over there then come home to people essentially telling them that all the sacrifice was for oil and George Bush. Again, sorry about 'smirking'. I promise I'm not really that much of a dick!
Dox
Well it was a dick remark made about your post - and unworthy of this particular thread.... wars can be argued on other places... not in memorials to the slain....
Well it was a dick remark made about your post - and unworthy of this particular thread.... wars can be argued on other places... not in memorials to the slain....
And your post highlights the problem I have with the whole current flag-waving "with us or against us, support the troops" business- a great many of us I do believe are under the impression that perhaps they ARE in fact dying for purely BS reasons... it seems horrible, I know, which is why I am so hopped up about the whole deal.
I know it might sounds ridiculous, but I do seem to recall the whole Vietnam Vets "syndrome", where many returned and were NOT greeted as the heroes they were told they'd be. THAT is what motivates me against this whole stupid mess, seriously. Not that the Vietnam vets were NOT "heroes", or brave and valiant folks- anyone who got OUT of that mess in more or less one piece must have been something
And the leaders of the day were all about "sacrifice"... sadly, the "sacrifice" they made was shown for what it truly was, and once the tide turned and supporting the mess was no longer "popular", the wasted souls got kicked to the curb.
I'm NOT suggesting that the same thing will happen, but still, I truly believe that it's only a matter of time before reality sinks in, and all these folks who have seen their friends die in vain will be hopelessy disillusioned. I gurantee, no matter how much I think the "mission" stinks, I will NEVER hold those actually fighting it acountable, as theirs "is not to reason why"- the main reason why the troops on the ground are the LAST folks I'd look to for perspective on the entire gigantic ruse
Curiousity- I find it kinda funny that all we can do is memorialize the fallen in any thread dealing with the pointless senseless deaths of our youth- IIRC not ONE of them 6 who died in the attack was even nearly as old as myself, at 34 I feel almost sick reading about this, and to suggest that I and others must only solemnly reflect and NOT call this pointless waste the outrage that it is is kinda silly, no??
Last thing I am is thankful OR proud for their deaths
I know it might sounds ridiculous, but I do seem to recall the whole Vietnam Vets "syndrome", where many returned and were NOT greeted as the heroes they were told they'd be. THAT is what motivates me against this whole stupid mess, seriously. Not that the Vietnam vets were NOT "heroes", or brave and valiant folks- anyone who got OUT of that mess in more or less one piece must have been something
And the leaders of the day were all about "sacrifice"... sadly, the "sacrifice" they made was shown for what it truly was, and once the tide turned and supporting the mess was no longer "popular", the wasted souls got kicked to the curb.
I'm NOT suggesting that the same thing will happen, but still, I truly believe that it's only a matter of time before reality sinks in, and all these folks who have seen their friends die in vain will be hopelessy disillusioned. I gurantee, no matter how much I think the "mission" stinks, I will NEVER hold those actually fighting it acountable, as theirs "is not to reason why"- the main reason why the troops on the ground are the LAST folks I'd look to for perspective on the entire gigantic ruse
Curiousity- I find it kinda funny that all we can do is memorialize the fallen in any thread dealing with the pointless senseless deaths of our youth- IIRC not ONE of them 6 who died in the attack was even nearly as old as myself, at 34 I feel almost sick reading about this, and to suggest that I and others must only solemnly reflect and NOT call this pointless waste the outrage that it is is kinda silly, no??
Last thing I am is thankful OR proud for their deaths
Mabudon
Really tired of your personalizing everything I write.
This was a topic about the newly pronounced dead in the Canadian military - I like to give them honor they deserve.
We can start all the topics you want about the reasons/causes and useless and waste of this war in that hell hole....but why does it bother you so much when someone memorializes the deaths in a fitting way? I have a feeling you have never known or acquainted with anyone in the military because you just don't get it. Six more brave people to add to the lengthening list... the very least we can do is thank them... and give them respectful honor.
Nobody asked me what I would like - I never wanted this in the first place and want all the military back home... so get off your horse for a while and stop making everything about you... it isn't... especially on this topic.
Are you ever cheerful around here? I've never seen anyone as angry as you posting on any forum.
Really tired of your personalizing everything I write.
This was a topic about the newly pronounced dead in the Canadian military - I like to give them honor they deserve.
We can start all the topics you want about the reasons/causes and useless and waste of this war in that hell hole....but why does it bother you so much when someone memorializes the deaths in a fitting way? I have a feeling you have never known or acquainted with anyone in the military because you just don't get it. Six more brave people to add to the lengthening list... the very least we can do is thank them... and give them respectful honor.
Nobody asked me what I would like - I never wanted this in the first place and want all the military back home... so get off your horse for a while and stop making everything about you... it isn't... especially on this topic.
Are you ever cheerful around here? I've never seen anyone as angry as you posting on any forum.
Regardless of the agenda of the commanders, those soldiers are selfless and are heroes in my book. They have been handed an horrendous task, and did not step back from it. They put their personal agendas aside and serve thier country. It really galls me to have them labelled stupid. The politics of this is not thier agenda. Getting the job done is. Do we slander those who make cars or manufacture alcohol? Do we punish the joe working at the coal powered plant? Do we trash the garbage guys for taking care of other people's refuse?
You're right, curiosity, and I do apologize. I'm very sensitive about this issue too and I should have started a seperate thread rather than bring my personal issues into this one. I thank God for people who have the courage and the values to do the type of work that these people do.
What I don`t get is why, when these bi-monthly deaths of Canadian soldiers occur our PM and the ass-holes sending them to their deaths are first to shout, `this is not a time to debate the polotics of why were over there`, then they and the media are kept tight liped the remainder of the month....till the next lot of body-bags are dragged home, again claiming `this is not the time to discuss the reasons they are dying`.
What exactly are our leaders and media hiding with the silence?
Where are the public debates on national television.
Why, if in fact the majority of Canadians are appaled at this adventure, are there no town discussions? More protests in the streets to bring them home?
This country is resembling the United States more and more with our indifference to this needless killing.
What exactly are our leaders and media hiding with the silence?
Where are the public debates on national television.
Why, if in fact the majority of Canadians are appaled at this adventure, are there no town discussions? More protests in the streets to bring them home?
This country is resembling the United States more and more with our indifference to this needless killing.
See dox, I got it (the smirk thing), and would agree with you.
Alot of people talk about the war and the sacrifices made (if to say they are pointless or not) and have no business opening their mouth about "The soldiers suffering"
That means Oldnugly (unless he's been to a warzone) should shut the fudge up about "Sacrifices" when he has no idea what he's talking about.
And im not really much different, I haven't served in a warzone. Object to the war, object to the cost, to its morality. But don't talk about sacrifice unless you know one bit about it.
Don't get all preachy about "Honouring their sacrifices" or about "they are being sacrificed on the altar of war". Its a volunteer military, and they and they alone are qualifed to describe their sacrifices and it isn't one lump statement. Not everyone is going to be a hero, cowards who get their buddies killed exist in all wars. Im sure those who have to clean up their mistakes don't appreciate these fudge up getting the same praise as those who died because of them.
Talk about the war, for good or ill, but don't try to manipulate emotions with talk of sacrifice unless you know what your talking about. Which a vast majority of people, even ex and current military, don't know jack about.
Alot of people talk about the war and the sacrifices made (if to say they are pointless or not) and have no business opening their mouth about "The soldiers suffering"
That means Oldnugly (unless he's been to a warzone) should shut the fudge up about "Sacrifices" when he has no idea what he's talking about.
And im not really much different, I haven't served in a warzone. Object to the war, object to the cost, to its morality. But don't talk about sacrifice unless you know one bit about it.
Don't get all preachy about "Honouring their sacrifices" or about "they are being sacrificed on the altar of war". Its a volunteer military, and they and they alone are qualifed to describe their sacrifices and it isn't one lump statement. Not everyone is going to be a hero, cowards who get their buddies killed exist in all wars. Im sure those who have to clean up their mistakes don't appreciate these fudge up getting the same praise as those who died because of them.
Talk about the war, for good or ill, but don't try to manipulate emotions with talk of sacrifice unless you know what your talking about. Which a vast majority of people, even ex and current military, don't know jack about.
Well I've met the deathhead in the face... this thing we call war...
Everytime the phone rings - the ugly thoughts drift through my memories of other calls about other people...the phone becomes the great 'proclaimer of the future'.
I've donated enough and I want it over.
Everytime the phone rings - the ugly thoughts drift through my memories of other calls about other people...the phone becomes the great 'proclaimer of the future'.
I've donated enough and I want it over.
NOT trying to take this off-topic (like some folks
) but seriously, you came in here with your hallmark-card lousy "prose" and tried to tell the whole thread to take a moment of silence- same tactic as JBee pointed out "now is not the time"- it's CRAP, pure and simple, and your ultra condescending tone in your remarks (which, believe it or not, is in almost every post you make) just makes it that much sillierTHEN you actually decide to follow up with your weakest quasi-ad-hominem "attack" about how anyone who doesn't do EXACTLY as you seem to see fit must be "sad" or "angry" or whatever- and in the midst of that you have the surprising gall to actually try and tell me that "everything I post is about me"???
Holy crap lady, you are funny- here I've been worried that you had me on your "ignore" list, too...
Saying that the mission is HOPELESS, these deaths are SENSELESS, this is not all about me, and for someone who supposedly believes much the same, you have an idiotic way of agreeing with me
PS I probably have WAY more fun on this site than you could possibly imagine, and I bet if you actually met me in person you might be able get a better notion of "who" I am, your odd internet "filter" seems to render you kinda clueless, "socially", your forum interactions seem limited to "Good boy" and "my how sad you are" and in person you'd find that I am not a platitude or a crappy greeting card but a fully multi-dimensional person (one who laughs a LOT, btw, just cos I use strong language and I'm quite articulate and not droppin talking points does NOT make me "angry" in the slightest)
OK sorry for that, back to yer grief or whatever, and I'll go back to calling the deaths of any more Canadian (plus the ones we already have on the tally) pointless and stupid and really, truly sad.
I refuse to "thank" anyone for their deaths- do you "thank" people who are killed by drunk drivers?? That's how I feel every time this awful number comes up, "this should NOT happen". Period.